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AAtF Canon Watch (spoilers for current issue)

Discussion in 'Angel: After the Fall' started by Allycat, Jan 5, 2008.

  1. Allycat

    Allycat www.VirtualSlayer.net

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    Credits to N4H for the concept of a Canon Watch. If you read the Buffy one, you know the drill. This thread is supposed to list the facts of the Buffyverse canon as it is changed by Angel: After the Fall. Feel free to add anything. Hopefully, I can add some pictures next time.

    #01 Chapter 1
    • Following or during the NFA-battle Wolfram & Hart sent LA to Hell.
    • Initially Angel was unable to move, thanks to something W&H did, so he had to sit by and let LA get run over by the demons.
    • It's been there for a number of months.
    • Angel has teamed up with the Dragon; he rides it.
    • Wesley appears in an incorporeal form. He is currently Wolfram & Hart's LA Branch' only employee. (He is still dead though.)
    • Connor, Gwen, and Nina provide shelter to human Angel saves.
    • The moon and the sun are both out at the same time.
    • This allows vampires to walk in daylight.
    • But it puts werewolves, such as Nina, in a sort of semi-feral state.
    • The LA area is divided up into different domains, each belonging to a different demon Lord. Burge is the Lord of Downtown LA. Kr'ph was the Lord of Westwood, until Gunn murdered him.
    • Gunn has been turned into a vampire. He runs a gang of vampires called Team Gunn.
    • Angel trying to find a way out of hell, for which he needs "the right firepower", a glowing gem Gunn obtains from Kr'ph.

    #02 Chapter Two
    • Connor's safehouse is in Santa Monica.
    • Angel refers to Nina as his ex.
    • Kozlow proclaims himself Lord of Westwood, but he's eaten. The position remains vacant.
    • Angel's inability to move lasted a few weeks. He hasn't had contact with Connor since.
    • Gunn has it in for Angel. He believes himself to be one of the good guys, while he thinks Angel is the bad guy.
    • The glowing gem is called the "Eye of Ramras"; it amplifies power.
    • On the scene of Kr'ph's murder there is writing in Primordial Sanskrit (which appearantly Gunn and his gang know) in blood on the walls; Angel suspects Spike and Illyria.
    • Spike is the Lord of Beverly Hills. He resides in the Playboy Mansion where he is surrounded by women... and Illyria.
     
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    The world may slip into chaos (well, Los Angeles) and at least Spike has his priorities straight!
     
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    One thing, not that it's a big deal, but I don't think that because the sun and moon are out at the same time has anything to do with vampires not going up in flames (technically the moon can be out at the same time as the sun on earth, we just can't see it very well because of the light). It's because they're in another dimension that the sun doesn't effect them the same way.

    Also it isn't a given the Angel suspects Spike and Illyria. Seemed to me that he suspected Gunn, but went to Illyria because she would know primordial languages. Angel tells Spike that he needs to talk to her, not him. Anyway it's up for debate.

    And haha :p Never occurred to me that Spike was in the Playboy mansion.
     
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    They never confirm that they're in another dimension. Exactly how this LA in Hell works technically is never explained. But you are right, it might be that this sun doesn't affect vampires, like in Pylea. We'll have to see.
     
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    #03
    • Hell is more humid than it is hot.
    • More clearly than before it is stated that the sun and moon are both out 24/7 in Hell. Werewolves are in a half-man/half-beast state. Vampires can walk in sunlight, but do feel like they're about to burst into flames.
    • Illyria is experiencing timeslips again. It is suggested, but not confirmed that this is because they're in Hell.
    • In one of her timeslips Illyria meets Angel as a much older-looking man in a futuristic setting.
    • The dragon destroys part of the Playboy Mansion.
    • Spike has been working with Connor; making rounds, saving humans. Since Connor's is full, Spike lets people stay at the mansion. He's also been training a group of women to fight.
    • Hell.A. has 10 Lords; namely, the Lords of Beverly Hills (Illyria), Burbank, Compton, Century City, Downtown Los Angeles (Burge), Santa Monica (he looks like Teeth, the Loan Shark, from "Tabula Rasa") , Sherman Oaks, Silverlake, Weho, Westwood (previously Kr'ph). The occasionaly meet in a secure location, but at their latest meeting Silverlake and Beverly Hills are absent... and obviously, Westwood is too.
    • Wolfram & Hart have ordered the demon lords not to kill Angel.
    • Angel challenges the demon lords for their domains. They agree to meet in two days after which he will fight their champions.
    • Angel is no longer a vampire. We don't know what he IS though.
     
  6. Allycat

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    Brian Lynch just posted another podcast with answers to the questions from fans. Some updates to the Canon watch:

    • The Lord of Santa Monica is indeed Teeth, the loan shark, from Tabula Rasa.
    • W&H made Wesley a ghost rather than a corporeal walking dead (like Lilah and Holland) so that he can't really help Angel too much.
    • Spike is aware that Connor is Angel's son. Connor sees Spike as a sort-of uncle (and friend).

    LINK: Myspace.com Blogs - Your Qs Totally Aed, part one! - brian lynch MySpace Blog
     
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    Thanks Allycat this has really helped me understand things a bit better
     
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    #04

    • After the first heat of the NFA-battle was down; W&H put LA in Hell, presumably by means of teleportation, although it could be they sucked into Hell some other way and teleported Angel to a different location within LA. This was also the moment they turned Angel human AND they returned Wesley from the grave.
    • Angel says W&H turned him human, because he would benefit too much from his vampiric abilities. Although this might just be his theory, rather than fact.
    • We learn of a new special artifact called a "Hagun Shaft" it's a sort-of weapon (intended to commit suicide with) that kills an "immortal".
    • During one of Illyria's timeslips, we see Spike in his black leather jacket standing over a decapitated Spider in a futuristic setting (flying cars, à¡ la Fray). Spike is holding a weapon that looks a lot like the Scythe (can't confirm if it is though.)
    • The Lord of Silverlake is Lorne. (Although he prefers not to be called that.)
    • Lorne is pleased to see Angel again. He does not seem to hold having to kill Lindsey over him anymore.
    • Female members of the demon-species Skip belonged to exist.
    • Groosalugg is in Hell. He rides a black winged-horse.
    • Gunn blows up the remains of the W&H office, which causes ghost Wesley to disappear.
     
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    Doesn't the fact that Wes was already his old Watcher self and not confused about it suggest he was already back but was only then finding Angel?
     
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    thegifting I think in 3D

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    I'm confused by everyone saying this- he's not old anything as far as I can tell. We saw him in the White Room, and in "A Hole In The World", when Charles gets beaten by 'himself', the 'cat' said, "The physical form of the conduit is determined by the viewer." Assuming that Wesley is now the conduit he may be subject to this, it'd be Angel's reasonings that he'd look the way he does. Also, the look most closely reminds me of 1.10 (I think it is), "Parting Gifts".
     
  11. Clem Rocks

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    Then the question is, is he the conduit or the liaison to the Senior Partners?
     
  12. Allycat

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    Brian commented on this and he said that since he is the last representative of Wolfram & Hart, he tries to look the part. Although, I think that's probably not everything there is to it.
     
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    Big issue, lots of interesting things.

    #05

    • Wesley's disappearance was not caused by the destruction of the W&H office, but rather because the SP wanted a talk with him.
    • The SP reveal that they could also have chosen a zombie-Lindsey-McDonald or Eve as their representative, instead of Wesley.
    • Lorne assumes Fred is in Heaven, which indicates that perhaps Dr Sparrow's conclusion that her soul had been destroyed might be incorrect. (Or of course, Lorne doesn't fully understand what happened to Fred.)
    • Angel thinks shaving is less difficult than cutting his hair.
    • Spider and her girls want Spike to kill Angel, and then plan to overthrow the other Lords; Spike doesn't feel like participating in this little plan.
    • The demon lords let their slaves attend the fight between Angel and their champions.
    • Gunn still wishes to protect most civilians, even though he and his gang might eat a few.
    • Angel confesses to most of the slave-population of LA, that he was responsible for them being in hell.
    • Angel's dragon is tied up for the duration of the fight.
    • Groo has previously supplied Angel with a flaming sword (possibly among other weapons).
    • The seven demon-lords who send a champion choose: a T-Rex, a she-Skip, a fire-demon, a masked-demon that shoots slime, a big ooze, and possibly two more (although we don't see them).
    • Lorne has gathered up Spike, Illyria, Connor, Groo, Nina, and Gwen to aid Angel in his fight. He claims that he is participating in the fight as his own champion and that he can manifest himself as multiple people at once (being the others).
    • Wesley is sent back by the SP to the location he disappeared from in Silverlake.
    • Gunn claims responsibility for the gang being back together to his vampire henchmen; he claims it's part of a larger plan.
    • Spike did not know that Wesley was back.
    • If he had he would not have brought Illyria there.
    • At the sight of Wesley, Illyria turns into Fred and says: "Wesley... ...You're here!" (The exact meaning of this is unknown.)

    From a post by Brian Lynch on Whedonesque Comments on 15822 : (SPOILER) Discuss Angel: After The Fall #5.

    • The two women accompanying Lorne are called Gabrielle and Mary.
     
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    #06

    Betta George Story

    • Before he was in hell, Betta George worked/lived at a theme park.
    • At the time of the big fight between the Fang Gang and the Champions of the Lords of Hell, Betta George is still alive and a captive of Gunn's crew.


    Spike Story

    • When Spike is transported to Hell he found Fred in a flaming circle, very close by.
    • Although he initially decided to retire from fighting evil, he couldn't turn away from the screams of those in need of help. While fighting some demons, Fred turned into Illyria. Spike was unsure of the how and why of then transformation at that point.


    Connor Story

    • Fruity Oaty Bars is a brand in the Buffyverse. An ad for it can be seen on the first page of the Connor story on the panel at the bottom. It's on the left side of the street.
    • After killing Hamilton, Connor originally fled as Angel instructed him, but upon seeing the dragon, he turned around to join the fight.
    • Upon being transported to Hell (to Compton), Connor remembered details of his life from being inside Darla's womb, to being held in Holtz' arms as a child in Quortothp; things he should have been too young to remember. (Because of this he also remembered Cordelia's role as surrogate mother during Season 3, which made him realise how incestuous sleeping with her was.)
    • Very soon after being transported to Hell, Connor was captured by an army of demons.


    Lorne Story

    • By singing in a high pitched tone, Lorne can make (certain kinds of) demons explode.
    • By killing said demon, Lorne inspired the people of Silverlake to take up arms against a varity of demons, during a battle that lasted days. (Owlbears seemed to be among the demons fought.)
    • A sorceress put a protective spell around Silverlake, which keeps it evil-free.
    • Lorne immediately began monitoring his friends. (We see an image of one such friend, but I can't identify who it is.)
    • A week after the protection-spell was cast, Lorne was chosen as leader (and Lord) of Silverlake.
     
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    Go Lorne, way to work those talented pipes! I found it quite funny that the one member of Angel's crew that was perhaps the least battle efficient has done more for the cause of good after the fall of L.A. than any of the others.
     
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    Actualy Brian Lynch has stately that he just went there to spook people

    It was Angel that killed Hamilton
     
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    It's probably worth mentioning where that comes from, just in case somebody missed it.

    It's from the commercial playing in the bar in the Firefly movie Serenity. It makes River go crazy.

    Video of the Fruity Oaty Bars commercial
     
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    Not that I don't trust your word on it, but for future debates, it might be handy if we could have a link to Brian saying this.

    And you're right, Angel killed Hamilton. I meant it in the way of help defeat him.
     
  19. Clem Rocks

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    I would give you the link to him saying it, but it's on that forum you don't like ;)
    I'll get it now though if you really want it?
     
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