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Buffy allowing Ford to be turned

Discussion in 'Season 2' started by Jules, Jan 29, 2016.

  1. Jules

    Jules Bite Me

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    Black Thorn
    What are people's views on Buffy allowing Ford to become a vampire? Sure he was a bad guy and he did sell her out but at the end of the day he was human. Locking him in with them seems a bit heartless.

    What are your thoughts?
     
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    My thoughts are the same as when Angel locked the vamps in the with lawyers. They got what they deserved- or in this case wanted.
     
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    It's been a while since I've seen the episode but did she really have a choice? Buffy had Dru butat stake-point it was a pretty precarious situation- a bunch of innocents at the mercy of Spike and his gang if not for Buffy's own hostage. I know she didn't tell any of them 'hey, pick up your unconscious friend but still, could she have?

    And even if she had a choice sBuffy was basically giving Ford what he wanted- the chance to be immortal (if Spike kept hhis word- which he did)- just without the whole 'screwing his friends over' to do it. Buffy can't save eveyone, just those who want to be saved.
    I'm not sure Ford wanted (or deserved) to leave that place alive.
     
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    All good points but isn't Buffy meant to be above that. Sort of like a surgeon having to save the life of a murderer. She isn't judge, jury and executioner. She's meant to kill demons to save humans.
     
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    Black Thorn
    Where does it say that?
     
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    Sineya
    Sure she is, at least in terms of the supernatural. She killed that guy in 'The Pack' (self-defence), tried her best to kill Faith (to feed her to Angel) and was willing to entertain the possibility of sacrificing the world for her sister.
    Buffy makes judgements all the time about who is worth saving and who is worth killing. Ford was one of those first, hard truths about growing up. That's what Giles speech to her at the end is all about. :)
     
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    @thetopher - only for supernatural beings, not humans. I'm drawing a blank about the guy she killed in The Pack. Faith can be argued to be a supernatural being. And as to letting the world go to hell for Dawn, she just didn't want to kill her sister.
     
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    It was the crazy the zookeeper. She back dropped his arse into the pit:D That wacko had it coming:p
     
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    Oh yea, but wasn't he possess by the hyenas at that point so like a vampire, not human?

    @Mr. Pole - fair point, it's not written but I always assumed it was implied that she's meant to save humans.
     
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    I think you run the risk of getting bogged down by the minutiae and lose focus. Just like Angel did when they were trying to save everyone they could. Her job was to fight the forces of evil. She was not meant to save, or even protect, humans. She was a part-demon, demon killer. The Watcher's, if anyone, would be the ones to save and protect the humans.

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    But I also think that she should be slaying vampers rather than mating with them so I know my views are that of the minority.
     
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    Not sure, maybe somewhere between the two. I think if she could Buffy would have saved him, but he it was in self-defence, and fact is he was a crooked guy before that, who I doubt gave much to society. So no big loss!
    --- Double Post Merged, Jan 29, 2016 ---


    Except they can't. Or only up to a point.
     
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    Black Thorn
    i liked that Buffy allowed Ford to choose and then she respected his decision. ('You have a choice. You don't have a good choice, but you have a choice.')
     
    Mr. Pole: Exactly. He made his choice.
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    She probably realized you can't save someone who doesn't want to be saved. If she had saved him, he'd have just found another vampire to sire him...
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    nightshade, how many entries for the banner contest have you had?
     
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    I just always took it that Buffy knew he was a lost cause. He was obsessed with becoming a vampire, so he would have got his wish eventually. She chose the greater good in this case. A slayer sometimes has to make sacrifices.
     
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    This and he was a smug little shit who deserved all he got!:p
     
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    Agreed. Buffy saved all those people from getting killed & since she wasn't anywhere near him threw Dru at Spike & ran for it .
    Plus he would have just gone back to Spike as soon as he could & lastly he was willing to kill all those people so she gave him what he wanted .
     
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    I think this sums it up - the attitude toward saving humans, I mean.

    ANGEL
    You're about as low as it gets, Knox, but you're a part of humanity. That isn't always pretty, but it's a hell of a lot better than what came before. And if it comes down to a choice between you and him, then yes, I would fight for his life, just like any other human's. Because that's what people do. That's what makes us—

    A gunshot echoes in the room. Knox looks down at his chest to see he's bleeding from a gunshot wound to the heart. He collapses. Wes is holding the smoking gun.

    ANGEL
    (turns to Wes, shakes his head)
    Were you even listening?:D
     
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    ChaseRules When it comes to dating I the Slayer.

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    To tell you the truth I really liked what Wes did.
    And he not the only one .

    I don't remember the exact worlds but Ben was looking up at Giles saying she didn't kill him .
    And Giles said that because she a Hero unlike me before smothering him to death.
     
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    Buffy says more than once that there is a human world with laws to take care of human crime. So theoretically humans are off the table, in a manner of speaking.
     
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    But what if they do things that human laws don't cover ?