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  1. ChaseRules

    ChaseRules When it comes to dating I the Slayer.

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    Sineya
    Why do you say that Wicca in the Buffyverse is a lifestyle instead of a religion. I thought it was a religion in there myself so I like to hear why you say that ..
     
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    Because it's practiced more like chemistry with some ethical guidelines thrown in which seem more like safety protocols (sure, Tara gets dogmatic about it that smacks of religious, but I've seen people get even more upset about how I make something!). The only actual religious moment I recall was when Willow prayed to a goddess while playing cards, and even the nonreligious can sort of pray like that.

    It's also how the word can be used. Like Willow saying, "Give me time, and I may be the first wicca to do all my conjuring in pine fresh scent." Anya calls Willow the "most powerful Wicca in the western hemisphere" and it's not a blessing that Anya wants as she says it, but rather her magical skills, a skill used pragmatically. It all comes off to me like saying "chemist" or "witch" rather than "priestess" or "devotee." Willow even says her witchcraft/Wicca is like chemistry, only less newt. (Witch is not a religion, Wicca is. Unlike most religions, Wicca heavily incorporates witchcraft, though it's not required, but that doesn't mean that all witches are therefore Wiccan, just as not all martial artists are religious despite that some religious sects heavily incorporate martial arts. Of course Wicca is heavy factionalized as any other religion. And the Wicca of Buffy is something else.)
     
  3. Ayko

    Ayko Ambassador 21 Banded Anarchy

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    I agree with most of that although I have heard of Atheist Wiccans but most of them are open minded to the potential existence of something yet to be scientifically defined.
     
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    I'm really not sure what to think of Atheist Wiccans (or neopagans, if atheist). I suppose it means they revere the ideals but don't believe in the divine forces (it's just a metaphor for nature, and living in harmony with it rather than trying to dominate it in unenlightened ways). I guess in that case there could be Atheist Christians as well who see Jesus Christ and the religion centered around him as worth living up to without believing there was anything divine about him (I get the impression that some Unitarian Universalists do think along those lines).

    As for me, I used to be a neopagan, and I believed the gods were real. I wasn't that clear on what the gods were exactly, but I did see them as self-aware entities that took an interest in this world.

    But later on I'd return to my default agnosticism and came to believe that certain experiences I had were more symbolic and the gods being more like Jungian symbols of the unconscious (and that my own life experiences shaped my spiritual experiences rather than I chanced upon a higher reality operating independent of me). I have no definite explanation for what they are, though I do believe there are forces that defy categorization and understanding at this time which enable some mystical and paranormal effects. The point being I no longer saw them as self-aware entities with an independent existence of their own and probably weren't real (at least not as gods in the traditional sense) and I stopped calling myself neopagan...though my years as a neopagan have shaped me and how I think, but I don't think of myself as being part of any religion, and though I might find areas and situations sacred in some non-divine sense, I don't worship the gods as I used to, so I don't consider myself religious at all. For simplicity's sake I just call myself an agnostic.
     
  5. Cordeliagirl

    Cordeliagirl Oh, Buffy, we're sisters! With different hair.

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    Sineya
    Hi Ayko and Welcome to the board, my favorite character is Cordelia abd im her fan and my favorite couple is Xander/Cordelia and Im Cordelia/Xander couple Fan.
     
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