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Hot Topic: Connor or The Beast?

Discussion in 'Season 4' started by Buffy Summers, Nov 9, 2015.

  1. Buffy Summers

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    Sineya
    Generally everyone dislikes Connor and Cordy together - they say it's "wrong", "character assassination" etc.

    Since Cordy HAD to get pregnant, which would be worse: her getting pregnant via Connor or the Beast?
     
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    As much as it disgusts me, I still think Connor. If the show had went down the path of Beast impregnation, I think I'd have lost a little bit of respect for it and the story. Yeah, there's been demon pregnancies in the show, but for me that would have been a step too far. It would have tarnished Cordy's character even more. That kiss between Cordelia and the Beast was more than enough for me. Even thinking of the physical logistics of it makes me feel a bit queasy.
     
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    Why only two choices?

    Angelus
    Lilah
    Skip

    All the above are better than Connor/Beast I think.
     
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    How so? I think it would work better in terms of storytelling and it would have a less incestuous feel.
     
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    Less incestuous definitely, but much more ridiculous. I think Cordy's character would have ended up a laughing stock.
     
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    But why? I don't know why she would be a laughing stock? But I liked her brief scenes with the Beast.
     
    GwenRaiden: You need a Bordy (Beast/Cordy) avatar.
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    My imagination runs wild picturing Cordy/Beast love-making, not that they'd show it but I'd still imagine it. Maybe it's just me who would consider that laughing stock material.
     
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    This topic was suggested by a member but I think the idea is that both are bad choices and you are forced to pick one. It's not, "Who would have been a better choice to impregnate Cordy?"

    :)
     
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    I think The Beast was older and much more mature than Connor. He could have been there for Cordelia during the pregnancy and would have made a great father for Jasmine. Plus he'd look awesome in family photos.
     
    Taake: And he'd be real protective too I bet! :)
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    I actually think the Beast would make sense since her and Cordy already had a relationship. And the impregnation did not have to be physical- Cordy had been metaphysically impregnated before. Twice even! Plus, you could consider the Beast in a way to be Connor's surrogate son as it was Connor's birth in the alley which allowed the Beast to be brought into this world.
     
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    Ew.

    I want to see more Beast but not in THAT way. :eek:

    I could've lived with Connor's character more if he hadn't been so one-note for most of the episodes. I bet his scripts just had 'Teenage snit- You hate Angel' scrawled across them in crayon.
    With Cordelia its more CC's phoned in performance. I get that she hated the plot-line, that happened to a lot of actors on both Buffy and Angel- but you do the best with what you're given.
    Jasdelia was mostly terrible.
     
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    But then how would we get the delightfully contrived origin story of Jasmine who had to be concieved by the impossible/miracle child of two vampires. A miracle to make a miracle... I had my vessel bumping (or not bumping) uglies with rock guy doesn't have the same ring to it, does it now? ;)
     
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    come on
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    Beauty and the Beast.. perfect couple. It could have been the best power couple since Spike & Dru. But the Beast ended up just being the Judge (plus I loved him in the 13th warrior)
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    The miracle child was responsible for the birth of the Beast whom would impregnate Cordy to create Jasmine. Everything else could have still played out. The miracle child of the two vampires birthplace served as the conduit for which the Beast could arrive. It all still works.
     
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    I think Mr. Pole has the best answer. Because, if Cordy wasn't Cordy, Connor was Connor and he did have sex with his surrogate mother - the woman who used to change his diapers and had a thing with his father.
     
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    But he didn't remember all that. Cordy (well real Cordy at least) had more of an emotional connection to Connor than Connor to Cordy. So 'surrogate mother' really only fits her end of the relationship. He was far too little then to have any kind of mother-son relationship to her after growing up what 16-18-19 (?) years without her. (Do we know exactly how old Connor is by the way?) So it's yuckier from her end than his.

    Ugh, here it is... rock bottom. I just kind of defended Connor/Cordy. Must go cleanse myself. I blame you for this @Mr. Pole ;)
     
    gite63: You defendeded Cordy/Connor. Go clean yourself! ; )
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    But, Dirty Taake, I would like to add that it was 'yucky' for the audience. And the writers must have known the reaction. So they wanted people to be turned off by it; one could argue, if one wanted, that the insectious relationship was payback.

    A similar incident (sort of) is currently happening with The Walking Dead where the creative staff is more or less trolling their fans; I posit Conner + Cordy was a similar form of trolling.
     
    Samuel Reyes: Lol yeah The Walking Dead is trolling us with that whole Glenn incident
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    I surprised no one has made any Beast-iality jokes. lol. I think her being impregnated by the Beast only works if we first know that she's not really Cordy. I think we don't find out that she's not the same person is right around the time The Beast dies. So if we knew right away that she was Jasmine in disguise it could have worked. But they wanted to fool the audience so they tried to make us believe that "the real Cordy" would actually sleep with Connor. Either way it's still gross.
     
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    Neither really, but yeah maybe the Beast is the lesser of two evils.
     
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    Which was so far beyond my willingness to suspend disbelief, I think the ending of Lost and of Dexter together were better than this. While season 4 has some great mini-arcs (Faith!), the entire arc just annoyed the crap out of me. It was the most contrived thing I had seen on any Whedon show!
     
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    That would've been amazing. And far less offensive than Cordy/Connor.