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Question Problem with S2E15 'phases'?

Discussion in 'Season 2' started by hannxali, Jan 30, 2016.

  1. hannxali

    hannxali Townie

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    Anyone else see the issue with S2E15 'Phases' featuring Cain?
     
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    What issue?


    That the same actor played Sahjhan?
     
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    Cain would kill the werewolf and then skin it to sell in Sri Lanka....
     
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    Get it now.... I wanted to see who else did.
     
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    Given that the werewolf was actually Oz then I think most would be against it. A lot of people like Oz, and him having skin (and being alive) is a big part of that.

    But in general- even if it were somebody of Veruca's mindset- then it would be wrong to hunt and kill a human-like creature for money.
    If Cain were trying to prevent this thing from killing- and was going to tranq it- then I wouldn't really have a problem with him hunting it.
     
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    I'm not talking about the ethics of the episode. I saying that he said he kills the wolf, then sells the fur. But when you kill a wolf, it goes back to the human form.
    Though Angel series gets it right: S5E3 'unleashed' they have to eat the werewolf alive.
     
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    Maybe Cain was a fraud? He'd never actually killed a werewolf before?
     
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    No idea what your on about.
    My only post by was that the writes made a mistake with the episode.... That's all
     
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    I'm saying, if Cain had never really killed a werewolf before, he wouldn't know that they turn back to human again at death. So maybe he lied that he'd killed 11 werewolves before.
     
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    Or the writers just made a mistake.... Cain is a fictitious character.
     
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    Yes, I am aware. If you didn't want to discuss this, you should have said that when you started the thread.
     
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    I was intending to discuss who else had spotted the story error the that episode.
     
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    But when Oz killed Veruca in 'Wild At Heart' she stayed as a werewolf corpe- we all saw it. So maybe evil chef guy in 'Unleashed' didn't know what he was on about, or its a contiuity error on 'Angel' not 'Buffy.'
     
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    Yes, but then it's continued in the comics when the werewolf 'army' reverts back to human after they are killed. Maybe you remain a wolf if killed by a wolf. Either way, its another case of them making up the rules on the fly.
     
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    Well I just think Cain is an outdated and cartoonish character that is the main problem. Phases isn't my favourite episode.
     
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    Black Thorn
    Sure it's probably another case of them making it up on the fly. The show is riddled with it. You'll be hard-pressed to find a show that doesn't do that.

    However, you could argue that it's not at all an error. In a world where demons, vampires and all kinds of magic abounds, it's not shocking to think that there would be a market for werewolf/human skin. Cain was shown not to give two figs about the fact that werewolves were people for the rest of the month, and basically seemed like the type of character who'd flay just about anything, so yeah - maybe it's an error, maybe it's a hint at darker things to come. Maybe in the Buffyverse's Sri Lanka human skin is the best.
     
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    Just depends on how you define pelt. I wouldnt call skin a pelt.
     
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    Or maybe the werewolves were still Alive when Cain skinned them? Did he ever actually say that the werewolves died before he took their skin?
     
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    Yeah, he did. He made a snarky comment about it being easier to get their pelts when they are dead. Which is why he kills them.