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The Original Pilot

Discussion in 'Season 1' started by Blair, Feb 11, 2016.

  1. Blair

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    Sineya
    So I watched the original pilot the other day. The one made in 1996. And wow, some pretty crazy changes- a different Willow was the main difference. Darla dies in the first ep and no mention of the Master.

    I'm certainly glad that they re-did it but was certainly an interesting watch to see how it could of been like (And having Willow not being played by Alyson)

    Have many other people watched the original?
     
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    Sineya
    I did. The special effects for dusting a vamp were also on the chintzy side. Glad they changed over to Alyson Hannigan.
     
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    Yeah, the vamps kinda just melted away.

    Also the way that the Principal talked... I liked Flutie better at the start- just having that quirkiness made a difference imo.
     
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    Black Thorn
    I loved the library scene were Buffy flips over the railing rather than taking the stairs.

    Like most have said I'm so glad they changed Willow. I couldn't imagine that actress portraying Dark Willow.
     
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    I did like some of the subtle differences in Giles though - they toned him down in the 2nd pilot.
     
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    I only really watched it to see the different Willow and although I'm sure the other girl is a fine actor (and probably would have made the role her own eventually), I have to say I'm so pleased they cast Alyson Hannigan instead. There is no other Willow.

    I just can't imagine the other girl as Vamp Willow or Dark Willow.....
     
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    Although I wouldn't be without Alyson I have to say I thought that having a 'chubby' girl playing Willow might have been an interesting slant and would have made more sense as to why she took to magic (can't help so well physically so seeks out other ways to help, have feeling of insecurity etc). Also Cordy and co's early jibes would have made much more sense as less then perfect body types have always been easy targets at school and I'm sure may would have sympathy with that.

    Just a shame the poor actress playing her wasn't that good.
     
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    HowiMetdaSlayer Occasionally, I am callous and strange.

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    I just watched this a few months ago. Alyson is a way better actor for one. She just is Willow. It definitely feels like more of a concept than a true pilot.
     
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    I thought this. I mean I really like the actor playing him, but maybe it was a case of bad casting or just that the part wasn't very well written in the episode. Not actually a massive Flutie fan, but I did love him in the pilot.:p
     
  10. ChaseRules

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    I thought the person who played the Principal was great . Too bad he didn't make the cut .
    I wonder about the first Willow . How much of her character do you think was made for
    her & was then just shifted over to Alyson Willow.
     
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    I agree with that. Don't get me wrong, a massive Alyson fan, but seeing all the hate comments at Riff Regan simply for being chubby kinda makes me wonder what if she had gotten the role. Turns out that Riff never really got any major acting role. Her acting was a little too off for me in the Pilot and Alyson warmed to the role much better but I do wonder if Riff would of done the role justice, or what road it would of taken.
     
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    One thing I was always curious about is if they have made Willow Jewish with Riff Regan in mind because no offense but she looks more Jewish than Alyson .
     
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    I definitely agree with that
     
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    Plus they almost never had Willow do anything Jewish either.
     
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    Yeah, only really mentions about how at Christmas time she would spend it with Xander (doing the Snoopy dance). That's about it really....
     
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    Both actresses - SMB and Alyson are jewish, tho :)
    No idea about Riff Regan, a quick Google search didn't gave me any results. ..

    And there were some references, about Will's egg being jewish and about chanukah. As about Will not doing more 'jewish stuff' like eating kosher, it's because her family wasnt religious, rather anti religious. But i think none of them were religious, except Riley. ..
     
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    About the only other thing I remember was Willow saying how Santa Clause always skipping her house .
     
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    maybe it's about the parental expectations? About Will not having other choice but excel in her studies and career?
    All those stereotypical jokes nowadays about how Asian fathers except their kids to get only straight A's and be a world-famous mathematician/violinist/etc,
    were once true to jews too :D
    just recently had this discussion at work where the older co-workers shared their torturous childhood experiences with some musical instrument (usually the piano or violin) they parents hoped they'll be talented at.
    I so can see tiny Alyson / Willow trying to play a cello almost her size :)
    While Joyce (and Cordy's parents) went for their daughter for a more sensible dance/cheer-leading path which also made them more popular :)
     
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    What you have to remember about the Jewish thing is that some of Jews who grew up in recent generations or who lived in the big cities did not engage so much in traditional Jewish practices. Another example of this would Jerry Seinfeld in his show. I get the impression than Willow very much rebels against her Jewish hertige and refuses to accept it.

    As for Regan as Willow? I don't think the performances was too bad, it just wasn't Willow and over the long term you just couldn't see her bringing life to the part than Hannigan does.
     
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    You think that why her parents were so absent in Willow life since they were really Jewish & thought that was enough ?
     
    Mr Trick: Possibley yes.