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Was Cordy always meant to be possessed?

Discussion in 'Season 4' started by Buffyverse Fan, Jun 21, 2014.

  1. Mr Trick

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    See I'm on the fence about this whole thing. Because to me the Jasmine storyline was such a mess and a bore then I think pretty much anything would have been better. But then I still don't like the changes they made to Cordy's character post-season 3 so i still don't know if a lot of this stuff would have made for good TV. Its impossible to say if her awaking from the coma and killing Jasmine would have worked or not.
     
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    To me everything is better than evil Cordy, so if i had the choice between Jasmine and evil Cordy, I would go with Jasmine.
     
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    Cordy_Chase Tact is just not saying true stuff. I'll pass.

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    Sineya
    Agreed, I disliked her 'Saint Cordy' period, a term that refers to her character post-'Waiting in the Wings' season 3.

    It's debatable that the non-possessed version of 'big bad' Cordy would have been evil.

    Her objective would have been to SAVE the human race from it's supposedly impending self-destruction, which paralells with where her character evolution started back in 'To Shanshu in LA': "I saw them all and they're in so much pain. We have to save them".
    What would have happened in season 4 is that the direness of that need would have heavily corrupted her.

    If you've seen Charmed, think of it as Cordy becoming an avatar.
    At least that's the way I interprited it.
     
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    Sineya
    Or you could think of Cordy paralleling Dark Willow seeing so much pain in the world that she had to end the world. Cordy trying to save the world would be the path not taken, not something new.
     
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    Sineya
    I did make that comparison when I first described the concept; "An inverted Dark Willow form of the Jasmine persona" and I never said it was something new. Though I get the feeling that I'm not understanding what you mean by that.
     
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    Sineya
    Willow and Cordelia both faced the same issue: feeling all the pain in the world. Willow tried to end the world. Cordelia was trying to save the world.
     
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    This idea fits the Whedonverse and would be interesting indeed.
     
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    Sineya
    That part I got, like I said when I initially described it, I called her an inverted Dark Willow, what I didn't understand was you saying "it's not the same thing". I never said it was.

    When I first heard about this concept, I didn't like it but it's really growing on me. I believe this would have been a lot better than Jasmine. Just about anything would have been.
     
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    I liked Jasmines arc, not Jasmine herself, she was scary to me , so to me not everything would have been better, but the concept of an inverted dark Willow, a morally ambivalent character with clearly good intend does sound good.
     
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    Sineya
    I agree with you there . I also think that Jasmine made her self a lot bigger than she was . After all if she as powerful as she said she was she had to have done those things . At least that what I gather :D
     
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    Sineya
    Nailed it.
    Angel's speculation in 'Players': "I bet he [the beastmaster] doesn't even have a master plan—he's just making it up as he goes along." is not only deadly accurate but I believe ironically reflects on the writers.

    The beastmaster having been merely a distraction from the possession, was not just sloppy both in thought and execution but overly elaborate giving the impression that it was a superficialist plan, focused more on making a loud threatening noise than on actually being a plausible threat.

    Then, I never bought that Jasmine orchestrated every major event of the series that created the team as they were at that point. Cordy's contracting the visions, the death of Gunn's sister, Fred's entrapment in Pylea in counterpart with Lorne's arrival in L.A, Wesley's relationship with Lilah and Connor. That explanation felt forced and the plausibility of each factor is a bit of a stretch.

    Such as that she was behind Cordy contracting the visions. While true that Cordy needed to have them and grow to feel purposeful with them to carry out the grooming in 'Birthday', could the PTB have really missed that their cosmic walkie-talkie was intercepted? This also doesn't add up with 'That Vision Thing'. The planted visions compromised Cordy's condition as the bearer, so why wouldn't she block them?

    Another example, I believe some of the credit she claimed for Connor's development she stole from Sahjahn. She'd claimed she'd chosen Connor to father her before he was born, that would mean that she would have had to be responsible for his ending up being raised in Quor-Teth which sped up his aging but the way that played out Sahjahn was clearly the responsible party for having written that false prophecy.
    Are we really saying that Jasmine was behind the real prophecy that Sahjahn was attempting to evade (that Connor would kill him)? Or Wesley's kidnap of Connor being intercepted by Holtz and his throat being slit? Even if we were, neither of those roles makes her the star of the show.

    What role did Gunn, Fred, and Lorne play for her? Fred was her downfall, the first to see her true face. I doubt that was intended.

    If the concept itself hadn't been so disrespectful and vile to Cordy, my protest of it might possibly have not exceeded these developmental flaws.
     
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