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Accusation Against Joss Whedon about Justice League filming

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If I were Joss I'd keep very quiet about this until something concrete has been offered by those accusing him. I'm prepared to believe him capable of anything, but I need to hear the facts first before I condemn.
 

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Warner Bros. Official Statement:

“In July, Ray Fisher’s representatives asked DC Films President Walter Hamada to talk to Mr. Fisher about his concerns during the production of Justice League. The two had previously spoken when Mr. Hamada asked him to reprise his role as Cyborg in Warner Bros.’ upcoming Flash movie, together with other members of the Justice League. In their July conversation, Mr. Fisher recounted disagreements he’d had with the film’s creative team regarding his portrayal of Cyborg, and complained that his suggested script revisions were not adopted.

Mr. Hamada explained that creative differences are a normal part of the production process, and that a film’s writer/director ultimately has to be in charge of these matters. Notably, Mr. Hamada also told Mr. Fisher that he would elevate his concerns to WarnerMedia so they could conduct an investigation. At no time did Mr. Hamada ever ‘throw anyone under the bus’, as Mr. Fisher has falsely claimed, or render any judgments about the Justice League production, in which Mr. Hamada had no involvement, since filming occurred before Mr. Hamada was elevated to his current position.

While Mr. Fisher never alleged any actionable misconduct against him, WarnerMedia nonetheless initiated an investigation into the concerns he’d raised about his character’s portrayal. Still not satisfied, Mr. Fisher insisted that WarnerMedia hire an independent third party investigator. This investigator has attempted multiple times to meet with Mr. Fisher to discuss his concerns but, to date, Mr. Fisher has declined to speak to the investigator. Warner Bros. remains committed to accountability and to the well-being of every cast and crew member on each of its productions. It also remains committed to investigating any specific and credible allegation of misconduct, which thus far Mr. Fisher has failed to provide.”
 

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Warner Bros. Official Statement:

“In July, Ray Fisher’s representatives asked DC Films President Walter Hamada to talk to Mr. Fisher about his concerns during the production of Justice League. The two had previously spoken when Mr. Hamada asked him to reprise his role as Cyborg in Warner Bros.’ upcoming Flash movie, together with other members of the Justice League. In their July conversation, Mr. Fisher recounted disagreements he’d had with the film’s creative team regarding his portrayal of Cyborg, and complained that his suggested script revisions were not adopted.

Mr. Hamada explained that creative differences are a normal part of the production process, and that a film’s writer/director ultimately has to be in charge of these matters. Notably, Mr. Hamada also told Mr. Fisher that he would elevate his concerns to WarnerMedia so they could conduct an investigation. At no time did Mr. Hamada ever ‘throw anyone under the bus’, as Mr. Fisher has falsely claimed, or render any judgments about the Justice League production, in which Mr. Hamada had no involvement, since filming occurred before Mr. Hamada was elevated to his current position.

While Mr. Fisher never alleged any actionable misconduct against him, WarnerMedia nonetheless initiated an investigation into the concerns he’d raised about his character’s portrayal. Still not satisfied, Mr. Fisher insisted that WarnerMedia hire an independent third party investigator. This investigator has attempted multiple times to meet with Mr. Fisher to discuss his concerns but, to date, Mr. Fisher has declined to speak to the investigator. Warner Bros. remains committed to accountability and to the well-being of every cast and crew member on each of its productions. It also remains committed to investigating any specific and credible allegation of misconduct, which thus far Mr. Fisher has failed to provide.”
Jason Momoa and Ray Fisher have responded. They say this investigation is independent in name only

 

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Are we seeing another Jussie Smollett/Bubba Wallace situation where the person makes out they been discriminated against in some form in order to get sympathy and boost their careers?

Two sentences stick out to me in that people article:

1. Fisher's script suggestions not being adopted

2. Him "vetting" the investigator


On the first, he could be a little annoyed and feel like he's being "dismissed" or "not listened to" because what he considers to be good ideas have been shot down by the higher ups like Whedon. On the second, if he's "vetting" investigators then that could easily mean he's trying to find someone who will give him the result he wants rather than using someone who is truly independent who may not give him the result he wants.

Even Momoa's support, has he actually witnessed any of the incidents Fisher is making accusations about or is he only hearing about them second hand from Fisher and thus feels the need to support his co-star.

This might be the cynic in me but the whole "black people are victims" narrative is going strong right now so the opportunity to capitalise on that is there. There doesn't need to be proof, just accusations,
 

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Ray Fisher has gone into more specifics
He seems to say that he was "informed that [this happened]" a lot, the first question should be who was the person/people "informing" him.

Here's the thing, if the people that were "informing" him are found to be lying and he's created these issues based on lies, then his career is over.

The first thing to do would be to find out what POC supposedly had their complexion changed in post production and then if that does turn out to be true, speak to the post production crew or whoever was in charge of that specific thing and find out why it was changed. If that can be verified then it at least adds some credence to everything else.

Could this be another Jussie Smollett or Bubba Wallace situation? It seems like Ray Fisher never actually witnessed the things he is alleging but was "informed" of them. His notes being a " coded version of the racist things he was saying behind closed doors with the other execs" could all be just a power of suggestion, after all he never witnessed these conversations but was "informed" of them.
 

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I hold Hollywood in very low regard.

All the same, given what microcams and recorders are available to the PUBLIC (though not always usable in a court of law, and a growing trend of fraudulent footage is also disturbing--though if proved a "deep fake" then the one who made it would be liable to criminal charges for the forgery in addition to any defamation), and all the recording equipment they have around, I find it suspicious that such over the top behavior just can't be caught on any kind of recording device, especially if it's a pattern. This would also relieve other victims who choose to endure for the sake of their career from any blacklisting or other vengeance since they didn't snitch (at least if Hollywood then tries to blacklist those caught, but not the directors, producers, etc, then the twitter mobs will actually have a viable target that many not hysterical would also care about).

In short, it doesn't take much for me to believe the worst about Hollywood, generally speaking, but it takes more than what we're getting here.
 
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Agreed.

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So he changed the tone of a black person's skin in post production? It seems he was trying to correct what should have happened in makeup. As for racist conversations going on, what was actually said? I still get the feeling this is the kind of thing that comes from someone who didn't like his job and he would complain no matter what situation he was in. He may have a legitimate complaint but we haven't heard it yet.
 
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