No it isn't! Angel has never had a problem with Buffy's strength. He's never even had a problem with Faith's strength and he knows and accepts that slayers are stronger than vampires.I believe that's true. But I would go beyond just Buffy and say weaker period. I think it chaps his ass when someone is viewed as stronger than he.
Well sometimes I see an added 'Angel cant stand being weaker, just like Riley'Maybe they confuse Riley and Angel. And to be honest I'm not even sure we can say Riley can't stand being weaker than Buffy. That's debattable
Yes it is! But I never said he had a "problem" with it. I just said he didn't like being weaker. It's evident. Maybe moreso in his series, but to me that was always a character trait of his.No it isn't! Angel has never had a problem with Buffy's strength. He's never even had a problem with Faith's strength and he knows and accepts that slayers are stronger than vampires.
When did that ever happen on Buffy? In regards to either Faith or Buffy? He can sometimes be overprotective (old fashioned custom but he's old). But that does not equal having a problem with being weaker than a slayer and wanting to prove his manhood.Yes it is! But I never said he had a "problem" with it. I just said he didn't like being weaker. It's evident. Maybe moreso in his series, but to me that was always a character trait of his.
Erm you said...And I never mentioned slayer either.
But I would go beyond just Buffy and say weaker period.
If it's a general character trait in your opinion, then that means he has a problem when ANYONE is stronger than him. Anyone includes Buffy and all slayers.It's evident. Maybe moreso in his series, but to me that was always a character trait of his.
I still never said problem. I said that I agreed that he couldn't stand being weaker. Not just with Buffy but with anyone. Angelus was even worse than Angel was in that regard.If it's a general character trait in your opinion, then that means he has a problem when ANYONE is stronger than him. Anyone includes Buffy and all slayers.
I don't see how those two assertions are not basically the same thing. Angel had always been comparatively weaker than them and he's never expressed a dislike of that fact. What he has been shown to dislike is being powerless or helpless when it comes to his job (which is either helping Buffy or helping people in L. A.)But I never said he had a "problem" with it. I just said he didn't like being weaker.
A recent argument on youtube that I am going on on now.
THEM: naaah angel always crawls back to buffy squirming and making her feel guilty and shit. jesus dude move on. .. spike is a way more likable and better character imo. he never felt like "only a love interest" which is the vibe I got from angel/angelus.
Angel's story is already finished when we meet him for the first time !
Gosh I just love when we have concrete canonical evidence to contradict those obviously unsubstantiated arguments. Angel literally goes from not wanting to have anything to do with humanity, to helping Buffy but being afraid to help, to wanting to help people like Faith, to wanting to help people in general, to wanting to make a difference in the world, to wanting to fight a dragon in order to save humanity.
More an argument against Angel than Bangel, but still : Angel's story is already finished when we meet him for the first time !
Really ? Just because he has a soul the first time we met him, his story is already finished, his character have nothing more to explore ?? Too bad the writers spent 8 seasons to explore a character which has no depth apparenty !
Her allowing Angel to drink from her is definitely devotion, but she was still young and in high school: Like many of us we have difficulty understanding the difference between actual love and just being physically attracted to someone.
In the audio commentary for the Season 7 finale “Chosen” Whedon verifies that Buffy really did mean it when she said she loved Spike.
I thought it was a nice comment on their relationship. But what I basically told them was "Play the romance. Be proud of him. Love him when you say you love him. Love her when you say she doesn't love you. Forget about the crumbling world. For that period of time it doesn't exist."
It's a cinematic trick but it's a necessary emotional one. I was surprised that they hadn't come there because usually the three of us come to a scene in exactly the same place. And this time it really was sort of different. And eventually Sarah said "If you have what you think you need I think we should move on, because I'm not sure I understand how this works." But I look at the two of them get together and their work is tremendous. But that is part of making TV and movies.
(x)That's the truth. That's the truth. He shows his manhood by saying that. I thought that what the final episode did very well was admit that Buffy really is in love with Angel. And that the sexual relationship she had with Spike was unhealthy, that it was unwise, it was, you know, fun to watch, but it wasn't good for Buffy. And that, Buffy was discovering a level of respect newly for Spike that she hadn't felt before and as a friend she wanted to, she knew that he loved her and she wanted to give him something cuz he's about to die, and he shows his strength by saying well no, you know, that's very kind for you to say, but that's not true.
However, if we’re going to hold Spike accountable for what he was before he had a soul than we need to also hold Angel accountable for how he treated Buffy after they had sex in Season 2: Such as how he killed Jenny, tortured Giles, terrorized Buffy’s friends, broke Buffy’s heart, and trying to kill her and the world: But we don’t, because w/o a soul one is only capable of evil. Spike may be the exception here though because, as Buffy says, “There was always good in you Spike, so strong it didn’t need a soul to come out.”