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As You Were theory

DeadlyDuo

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I never realised the actress who played Sam also starred in Casino Royale and Gotham.

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I'd love to say all these theories were correct but from reading the actual shooting script where its literally written in that Riley is giving manly handshakes and Buffy is smitten by his looks. That and the DVD commentaries by Petrie where every second sentence is "Riley is just so cool" and you know there was no deeper meaning. It was basically glorified fan fiction
 

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I'd love to say all these theories were correct but from reading the actual shooting script where its literally written in that Riley is giving manly handshakes and Buffy is smitten by his looks. That and the DVD commentaries by Petrie where every second sentence is "Riley is just so cool" and you know there was no deeper meaning. It was basically glorified fan fiction
Oh I’ve got no doubt the episode itself is supposed to just be ‘look at what you could have had Buffy! Riley is awesome and gives manly handshakes!’ There’s an interview with Doug Petrie talking about how he fought to get this episode and he wanted to make it Secret Agent v Aliens. I just hate the episode itself so I have to create a new headcannon for myself 😂. I always imagine even Marc must have cringed at that shooting script with things like ‘Buffy is looking at Riley like she should never have let him go’ 😂

Doug - Riley’s like James Bond isn’t he?

Audience -No

I much prefer Doug’s Fuffy shipping to his fanboyism of Riley 😂
 

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Oh I’ve got no doubt the episode itself is supposed to just be ‘look at what you could have had Buffy! Riley is awesome and gives manly handshakes!’ There’s an interview with Doug Petrie talking about how he fought to get this episode and he wanted to make it Secret Agent v Aliens. I just hate the episode itself so I have to create a new headcannon for myself 😂. I always imagine even Marc must have cringed at that shooting script with things like ‘Buffy is looking at Riley like she should never have let him go’ 😂

Doug - Riley’s like James Bond isn’t he?

Audience -No

I much prefer Doug’s Fuffy shipping to his fanboyism of Riley 😂

I wonder if it was as much, look af what your missing to the fans, as well as Buffy 🤔
 

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I wonder if it was as much, look af what your missing to the fans, as well as Buffy 🤔

It wouldn’t surprise me 😂I do wonder with Joss being less involved this season if he watched this episode and cringed at how forced pretty much every single scene is

‘stop trying to make Riley happen. It’s not going to happen’
 

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It wouldn’t surprise me 😂I do wonder with Joss being less involved this season if he watched this episode and cringed at how forced pretty much every single scene is

‘stop trying to make Riley happen. It’s not going to happen’

That's doubtful, Joss loved Riley, he even said Fans rejected Riley because they preferred Buffy being miserable and unhappy.
He was so disappointed on the Hush Dvd commentary when he couldn't write there first sex scene.
Nothing got on screen without Joss reading the script first and giving it the OK.
He even inserted stuff such as the Balcony sex scene in Dead Things for example that wasn't in the initial script.

I'm sure everything that Petrie put in got the Joss seal of approval
 

Miss Muffet

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Thank you so much for this theory! I just re-watched 'As You Were' and it turned a relatively bad episode into an entertaining one.
 
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Glad to help 😂

Ihamze94

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Spike was framed by Riley, pure and simple. Nothing beyond that explanation makes even a lick of sense.

How did Riley know that Buffy worked at the Double Meat Palace? He had had no contact with the Scoobies the year before.

Why would he have a full combat uniform in her size just ready for her to change into? It certainly wasn't Sam's spare, because Sam was a much larger girl than Buffy.

Why would Riley have not told Buffy, the Slayer. that the mission was to capture the Suvolte, not kill it?

For that matter, how would a creature like that be "leaving a path of death and destruction from South America all the way to Sunnydale," and nether the Scoobies nor the Watchers' Council heard anything about it?

And, how could a creature that size lay a brook of eggs larger than its own body mass within the short time that it had been in Sunnydale?

If Spike was actually dealing with international weapons dealers, why were there no reprisals when he couldn't deliver on the goods that he had promised to sell them?

Why did Riley express no surprise whatsoever at finding Buffy, obviously naked, in bed (okay, on top of a crypt) with Spike?

And where was Sam? She left Buffy in order to go and find Riley, which gave Buffy the opportunity to visit Spike in the first place, and no military operation such as they were apparently on would be without some form of electronic communication, if it were nothing more than ordinary cell phones.

And, speaking of Sam, how could an ordinary Peace Core worker, meet, fall in love with, marry, become as skillful a demon fighter as she obviously was, to the point that she could join an elite U S Army Special Forces unit assigned to fighting demons AND rise to the rank that she could rise to a fank at least equal to, if not higher than, her veteran husband?

(just a few unanswered questions from this episode)
It's not that unbelievable, no matter how much you want it to be. It's nice that you have such a high opinion of Buffy and the Scoobies but you should know by now that they're not the kind who get warned about impending danger unless it's close. Bad things have to happen first for them to notice and only if it happens in Sunnydale. They don't know anything that happens outside of town. The watcher council didn't seem to be around when bad things had happened before so I don't see why you expect them to have done anything about it then. Buffy working in Double meat palace isn't exactly state secret. He's a black ops military, finding where Buffy worked would be pretty easy with his resources. When he realised that the demon he's tracking is on its way to Sunnydale, he knew that he would need the slayer's help and got a spare outfit for her. I don't see how being prepared is so impossible. The orders was to kill the demon but as it's so dangerous and Buffy and Riley had reunited suddenly after a year, it's understandable that he had forgotten that she didn't know that she wasn't supposed to kill the demon. He was used to working with soldiers who were briefed about the mission plus how is forgetting to inform Buffy to not kill the demon benefit him in anyway? The job was to follow the demon so that they can follow it back to its eggs, which were at Spike's crypt. When Buffy had killed the suvolte, Riley and Sam knew that they had to find another way to find the eggs. So Riley had asked around instead (beating them for answers actually) so either way, they would have had found it at Spike's place. Sam purposely leaving so that Buff would go to spike is so ridiculous I'm not even going to talk about why it doesn't make sense. Obviously Riley didn't expect to see Buffy and Spike in bed but how did you wanted him to react? Shock, Anger, hurt? He just doesn't have it in him anymore. He probably thought "oh that's new" and not much else. He disliked Spike and thought Buffy could do better but other than that, there was no hurt feelings. Riley isn't that naive boy anymore who's feelings would show in his face. He's a confident well adjusted man who has better things to do than talk about Buffy's surprising habits. He was there to confront Spike about being a doctor. Fans rushed to say these random theories because they were desperate to pretend Spike had nothing to do with it when he obviously did. Spike having a chip In head doesn't make him good. He didn't have a soul at that point and he's still that evil twisted leech. He likes money and hurting people so being the dealer makes sense. He had even talked about getting money for Buffy before. He also wasn't surprised to see it there. These stupid "Riley framed Spike" theories just shows how petty and gullible the fandom had become. Riley doesn't care enough about Spike to frame him. Riley's life is great and he had only showed up there to complete the mission. That's it. I get that Riley having a thriving military career and a beautiful strong independent wife is a middle finger to you but you should stop complaining about it because it just makes you look bitter.
 
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Actually, you're the one who looks bitter in your hatred of Spike (I say that as someone not a fan of Spuffy myself, yet also that he's not the Doctor). And maybe I'm confusing WA with another member, but I think he preferred Sprusilla anyway.
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