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Beer Bad or Where The Wild Things Are

Bluebird

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Both written by Tracey Forbes, which, funnily enough, are her only credits on BtVS.
 
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She also did Something Blue

Mr Trick

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For random good scenes WTTA probably has better scenes. But the plot just never works. At least Beer Bad you can have some goofy fun with Cavegirl Buffy:D It fits into the themes of the show. I love the Willow-Parker scene too. I'd keep BB if I had to choose.
 

DeadlyDuo

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For random good scenes WTTA probably has better scenes. But the plot just never works. At least Beer Bad you can have some goofy fun with Cavegirl Buffy:D It fits into the themes of the show. I love the Willow-Parker scene too. I'd keep BB if I had to choose.
I pretty much agree with you, though I don't think WTWTA is as bad an episode as people tend to think it is. However, it's main problem is essentially the plot revolves around Buffy and Riley having too much sex. The real horror element of the episode (a woman uses her position of trust and abuses the kids in her care because they're essentially acting like teenagers and children) is never really dealt with. Sure Giles calls her out, but then what? She never suffers any consequences for her actions. The spirits don't take revenge on her (none of the abused kids died so why were there spirits?), and she doesn't go to jail or even investigated by the authorities (despite admitting the abuse in front of at least 4 witnesses),

The whole episode is kind of reduced to a joke.
 

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I pretty much agree with you, though I don't think WTWTA is as bad an episode as people tend to think it is. However, it's main problem is essentially the plot revolves around Buffy and Riley having too much sex. The real horror element of the episode (a woman uses her position of trust and abuses the kids in her care because they're essentially acting like teenagers and children) is never really dealt with. Sure Giles calls her out, but then what? She never suffers any consequences for her actions. The spirits don't take revenge on her (none of the abused kids died so why were there spirits?), and she doesn't go to jail or even investigated by the authorities (despite admitting the abuse in front of at least 4 witnesses),

The whole episode is kind of reduced to a joke.
My guess is they called the police on her its just that we didn't see it on screen. Then again unless they could get her to repeat the confession it may have been tricky getting her convicted.
 

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My guess is they called the police on her its just that we didn't see it on screen. Then again unless they could get her to repeat the confession it may have been tricky getting her convicted.
idk - she didn't kill any of the kids didn't she? Just trace them and say you're conducting an equiry. At least a few may well be grateful to actually have the chance to be listened to about the abuse they endured.
 

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I agree that WTWA could have been an interesting episodes had we had accounts from the victims whose sexual energy was around the place and had them deal with it. As it is it's a silly episode in which Buffy and Riley have a lot of boring sex only really redeamed by the Xander/Spike/Anya scenes, Giles singing and the fact that for once it's really Anya who saves the day.
 

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I really love both episodes. But I think I have to go with Where the Wild Things Are. I just enjoy it slightly more than Beer Bad, and I feel like I'm more entertained overall when I'm watching WTWA. The viney staircase, and Giles singing, are highlights for me.
 
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Oof, maybe Where The Wild Things are because the story line is more developed and interesting, but I love seeing Parker get his comeuppance

Though neither of these are my most hated episode
 

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That episode where Buffy & Riley keep having sex just sucked. The scene with Giles singing and the kids' reaction was very, very good. The rest of the episode pretty much sucked.

Beer Bad is a very good episode. Cave Slayer is funny. Parker showing up with flowers and ice cream is funny. Buffy suffering the post-Parker thing was good and getting past it was excellent. I think that Beer Bad's bad rap is wholly undeserved. It's a winner. :)
 

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Where the Wild Things Are.

I find this episode to be really underrated. Everyone seems to focus on the B/R sex scenes but they forget all the genuinely creepy stuff that's really well done. The scene of the girl hacking off her own hair and then stumbling through the house ("Help me... help me") always gives me shivers. There's also a lot of great character work and, dare I say it, I don't even mind the B/R sex scenes. They're shot nicely and they barely take up any minutes throughout the episode so I've never quite understood why they're such a deal-breaker. Plus, I actually really love the B/R scene in the teaser where they get horny over slaying. They have real chemistry in this scene and SMG plays Buffy as totally smitten. It's entertaining, sexy and funny.

I've slowly come to appreciate Beer Bad more. It does contain some great scenes like Willow messing with Parker, Willow's snide remarks about Veruca ("dresses like Faith. Voice like an albatross"), and the Cave!Buffy/Xander/Giles scene is so wonderfully played by all actors involved. But the plot is weak and half-assed ("my cousins a warlock") and the scenes of the cavemen running through the campus are both tiresome and pretty cringeworthy. I'm also not a fan of whenever the series tries to moralise us about beer because not only do I find it overblown but I also don't buy that a bunch of 18-19 year old college kids would act so stuffy about it. I mean, most kids their age would be getting smashed at frat parties, for crying out loud.
 

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I'm also not a fan of whenever the series tries to moralise us about beer because not only do I find it overblown but I also don't buy that a bunch of 18-19 year old college kids would act so stuffy about it. I mean, most kids their age would be getting smashed at frat parties, for crying out loud.
I don't think the episode is preachy about beer (which is why I don't think they got the funding from the anti beer people (can't remember what they're called).

What we do see is a bunch of college students enjoying themselves drinking beer.
Xander is concerned that Buffy is going to be taken advantage of in her inebriated state, not that she's drinking beer. The college guys are genuinely trying to cheer her up, not sleep with her (makes a nice change).
The college guys and Buffy turn into cave men because their drinks are spiked with magic. It's a particular brand of beer, not beer in general.
We also see Spike drinking beer and whisky in other seasons without being "judged" for it.
 

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Giles
I can't believe you let Buffy drink that beer

Xander
I didn't know it was evil

Giles
But you knew it was beer


As an isolated episode, I could maybe see an argument that it wasn't all that preachy. But then in Something Blue the gang completely overreact to Willow getting over Oz by getting drunk and partying at The Bronze. Willow feels the need to defend her drinking on the account that it's just light beer and then Xander tries to take the beer from her and Buffy specifically references Beer Bad as an example of why Willow shouldn't be drinking ("No big? Anyone remember when Buffy had the fun beer-fest and went one-million years B.C.?"). To me, that's a clear indication that Beer Bad was intended to a lesson imparted to Buffy about the wrongs of drinking ("my mum said beer is evil").
 

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mmm tough one... WTWTA has better character interactions (well...it has Anya/Spike, at least), but Beer Bad is less cringe worthy. It's been a while since I've watched them though.
 
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