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Buffyverse Complete Reading Order Guide!

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So... before I got into this, I had a LOT of trouble with the comics. So here is the reading order, it will be updated, so if there any mistakes or additions you want to make then I would appreciate if you left your feedback in the comments.

# = Chapter

Angel After The Fall #1-8

Spike After The Fall #1-4

Angel After The Fall #9-17

Angel: Aftermath

Angel: Last Angel In Hell

Angel: The End

Spike: The complete series #1-8

Fray #1-8

Buffy The Vampire Slayer Season 8 #1-40

Angel & Faith Season 9 #1-4

Buffy The Vampire Slayer Season 8 #1-4

Angel & Faith Season 9 #5

Buffy The Vampire Slayer Season 8 #5

Angel & Faith Season 9 #6-9

Buffy The Vampire Slayer Season 8 #6-7

Angel & Faith Season 9 #10

Buffy The Vampire Slayer Season 8 #8-10

Angel & Faith Season 9 #11-14

Buffy The Vampire Slayer Season 9 #11-13

Spike: A Dark Place #1-5

Willow: Wonderland #1-5

Angel & Faith Season 9 #15

Buffy The Vampire Slayer Season 9 #14-15

Angel & Faith Season 9 #16-19

Buffy The Vampire Slayer Season 9 #16-19

Angel & Faith Season 9 #20

Buffy The Vampire Slayer Season 9 #20

Angel & Faith Season 9 #21-25

Buffy The Vampire Slayer Season 9 #21-25
 
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You're pretty close, but there's a few mistakes I found.
1. You're missing a few things:
Tales of the Slayers
Tales of the Vampires
Buffy Season 8 one-shots: Willow, TotV: The Thrill, and Riley. (also missing the BS8/9 shorts from Dark Horse Presents)
Angel issues 23-27 (Collected in the 6th HC entitled, "Last Angel in Hell").
Illyria: Haunted
Angel: Only Human
Spike: The Devil You Know
Lorne: The Music of the Spheres (one-shot)

2. I think Fray, Tales of the Slayers, and Tales of the Vampires should be read before any post-BS7/AS5 comics, but that's just my opinion.

3. I prefer to read A&F and BS9 separately, but in the inevitable future wherein I reread everything again I plan on alternating trades (5 issues), like so:
A&F Vol. 1
BS9 Vol. 1
Spike: Magical Mystery Tour
A&F Vol. 2
BS9 Vol. 2
In Space, No One Can Hear You Slay
Spike: A Dark Place
A&F Vol. 3
Willow: Wonderland
BS9 Vol. 3
A&F Vol. 4
BS9 Vol. 4
A&F Vol. 5
Billy the Vampire Slayer: Love vs. Life
BS9 Vol. 5

And here's my reading order for IDW Angel post-AS5. Note that this is NOT chronological order, but if you want that I'd love to give it to you. :)
1-5. After The Fall Pt. 1 (Urru)
6-8. AtF: First Night
Spike: After The Fall
9-12. After The Fall Pt. 2 (Runge)
13-17. After The Fall Pt. 3 (Mooney/Urru)
18-22. Aftermath
23. After The Fall Epilogue
Illyria & Gunn: Only Human
24-25. Drusilla
26-27. Boys and their Toys
Last Angel In Hell
Lorne: The Music of the Spheres
28-32. Immortality for Dummies
Spike: The Devil You Know
33-38. Crown Prince Syndrome
Illyria: Haunted
39-44. The Wolf, The Ram, and The Hart
1-4. Spike: Alone Together Now
5-8. Spike: Stranger Things
Angel: Yearbook
 
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Thank you so much for this!!!
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You're pretty close, but there's a few mistakes I found.
1. You're missing a few things:
Tales of the Slayers
Tales of the Vampires
Buffy Season 8 one-shots: Willow, TotV: The Thrill, and Riley. (also missing the BS8/9 shorts from Dark Horse Presents)
Angel issues 23-27 (Collected in the 6th HC entitled, "Last Angel in Hell").
Illyria: Haunted
Angel: Only Human
Spike: The Devil You Know
Lorne: The Music of the Spheres (one-shot)

2. I think Fray, Tales of the Slayers, and Tales of the Vampires should be read before any post-BS7/AS5 comics, but that's just my opinion.

3. I prefer to read A&F and BS9 separately, but in the inevitable future wherein I reread everything again I plan on alternating trades (5 issues), like so:
A&F Vol. 1
BS9 Vol. 1
Spike: Magical Mystery Tour
A&F Vol. 2
BS9 Vol. 2
In Space, No One Can Hear You Slay
Spike: A Dark Place
A&F Vol. 3
Willow: Wonderland
BS9 Vol. 3
A&F Vol. 4
BS9 Vol. 4
A&F Vol. 5
Billy the Vampire Slayer: Love vs. Life
BS9 Vol. 5

And here's my reading order for IDW Angel post-AS5. Note that this is NOT chronological order, but if you want that I'd love to give it to you. :)
1-5. After The Fall Pt. 1 (Urru)
6-8. AtF: First Night
Spike: After The Fall
9-12. After The Fall Pt. 2 (Runge)
13-17. After The Fall Pt. 3 (Mooney/Urru)
18-22. Aftermath
23. After The Fall Epilogue
Illyria & Gunn: Only Human
24-25. Drusilla
26-27. Boys and their Toys
Last Angel In Hell
Lorne: The Music of the Spheres
28-32. Immortality for Dummies
Spike: The Devil You Know
33-38. Crown Prince Syndrome
Illyria: Haunted
39-44. The Wolf, The Ram, and The Hart
1-4. Spike: Alone Together Now
5-8. Spike: Stranger Things
Angel: Yearbook
Can you please email me the correct Buffy Season 10/ Angel & Faith Season 10 reading order once Season 10 is over?

and Also, this is my updated reading guide I made for myself, is it correct?

Spike: Asylum

Angel After The Fall #1-8

Spike After The Fall #1-4

Angel After The Fall #9-17

Angel: Aftermath

Angel: Last Angel In Hell #1

Angel: Only Human

Angel: Last Angel In Hell #2-4

Angel: The End (Immortality for Dummies)

Spike: The Devil You Know

Angel: The End (The Crown Prince Syndrome)1-5

Lorne: Music of the Spheres

Angel: The End (The Crown Prince Syndrome) 6

Angel: Illyria – Haunted

Angel: The End

Spike: The complete series #1-8

Fray #1-8

Buffy The Vampire Slayer Season 8 #1-40

Angel and Faith #1: "Live Through This, Part I"

Buffy season 9 #1: "Freefall, Part I"

Angel and Faith #2: "Live Through This, Part II"

Buffy season 9 #2: "Freefall, Part II"

Angel and Faith #3: "Live Through This, Part III"

Buffy season 9 #3: "Freefall, Part III"

Angel and Faith #4: "Live Through This, Part IV"

Buffy season 9 #4: "Freefall, Part IV"

Angel and Faith #5: "In Perfect Harmony"

Buffy season 9 #5: "Slayer, Interrupted"

Angel and Faith #6: "Daddy Issues, Part I"

Buffy season 9 #6: "On Your Own, Part I"

Angel and Faith #7: "Daddy Issues, Part II"

Buffy season 9 #7: "On Your Own, Part II"

Angel and Faith #8: "Daddy Issues, Part III"

Buffy season 9 #8: "Apart (of Me), Part I"

Angel and Faith #9: "Daddy Issues, Part IV"

Buffy season 9 #9: "Apart (of Me), Part II"

Angel and Faith #10: "Women of a Certain Age"

Buffy season 9 #10: "Apart (of Me), Part III"

Angel and Faith #11: "Family Reunion, Part I"

Buffy season 9 #11: "Guarded, Part I"

Angel and Faith #12: "Family Reunion, Part II"

Buffy season 9 #12: "Guarded, Part II"

Spike: A Dark Place #1

Angel and Faith #13: "Family Reunion, Part III"

Buffy season 9 #13: "Guarded, Part III"

Spike: A Dark Place #2

Angel and Faith #14: "Family Reunion, Part IV"

Buffy season 9 #14: "Billy the Vampire Slayer, Part I"

Spike: A Dark Place #3

Angel and Faith #15: "The Hero of His Own Story"

Willow Wonderland #1

Buffy season 9 #15: "Billy the Vampire Slayer, Part II"

Spike: A Dark Place #4

Angel and Faith #16: "Death and Consequences, Part I"

Willow Wonderland #2

Buffy season 9 #16: "Welcome to the Team, Part I"

Spike: A Dark Place #5

Angel and Faith #17: "Death and Consequences, Part II"

Willow Wonderland #3

Buffy season 9 #17: "Welcome to the Team, Part II"

Angel and Faith #18: "Death and Consequences, Part III"

Willow Wonderland #4

Buffy season 9 #18: "Welcome to the Team, Part III"

Angel and Faith #19: "Death and Consequences, Part IV"

Buffy season 9 #19: "Welcome to the Team, Part IV"

Angel and Faith #20: "Spike and Faith"

Buffy season 9 #20: "The Watcher”

Angel and Faith #21: "What You Want, Not What You Need, Part I"

Buffy season 9 #21: "The Core, Part I”

Angel and Faith #22: "What You Want, Not What You Need, Part II"

Buffy season 9 #22: "The Core Part II”

Angel and Faith #23: "What You Want, Not What You Need, Part III"

Buffy season 9 #23: "The Core Part III”

Angel and Faith #24: "What You Want, Not What You Need, Part IV”

Buffy season 9 #24: "The Core Part IV”

Angel and Faith #25: "What You Want, Not What You Need, Part V”

Buffy season 9 #25: "The Core Part V

Spike: Into the Light

Thanks for your help ;)
 
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Yea, pretty much. I do have a few thoughts though...

1. I see you included Spike: Asylum. If you're gonna read that it would be silly to not read Spike: Shadow Puppets. It's by Brian Lynch and Franco Urru and is kind of a spiritual successor to Smile Time. It takes place somewhere between Smile Time and Power Play I think. Lynch has said that he sees Asylum, Shadow Puppets, and Spike: AtF as a trilogy.

2. Aftermath is a truly awful piece of crap. I wouldn't recommend you read it unless you're just interested in getting the "full" experience (as I have felt before, multiple times).

3. It's confusing how you number Last Angel in Hell, but I think I get it. The Angel: Vol. 6 HC contains issues 23-27 and the Last Angel in Hell one-shot. The one-shot should be read any time after issue 17, but it's puts a nice capper on Brian Lynch's Angel run if you put it after issue 28.

4. Angel: The End contains issue 28-44 (as well as the yearbook and a few short stories starring the devil, Eddie Hope), and the story names can get confusing as well. In reality, the titles are something like this (and even this is probably a little off somewhere):
28. Crown Prince Syndrome
29. Immortality for Dummies
30. The Trouble With Felicia
31. The Big Dustup
32. Roman a Clef
33. Letters Home: A Jamesian Interlude
34. Bedroom Follies
35-37. Prophet for Profit
38. Cats in the Cradle
39-44. The Wolf, the Ram, and the Heart
When IDW collected these issue into hardcovers they made a little simpler (while making it more confusing to discerning readers). Not sure if you know this info already though...:
Vol. 1: Immortality for Dummies (issues 28-32)
Vol. 2: Crown Prince Syndrome (issues 33-38)
Vol. 3: The Wolf, the Ram, and the Heart (issues 39-44)

5. Lorne has to come before Immortality for Dummies I think.

6. Spike: Into the Light takes place before Season 7 supposedly, but it's not very good, and makes little sense, chronologically. I wouldn't recommend it.

7. Season 10 still has a little more than a year to go, and so far it looks like it'll just be the two main books alternating like S9.
 
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Yea, pretty much. I do have a few thoughts though...

1. I see you included Spike: Asylum. If you're gonna read that it would be silly to not read Spike: Shadow Puppets. It's by Brian Lynch and Franco Urru and is kind of a spiritual successor to Smile Time. It takes place somewhere between Smile Time and Power Play I think. Lynch has said that he sees Asylum, Shadow Puppets, and Spike: AtF as a trilogy.

2. Aftermath is a truly awful piece of crap. I wouldn't recommend you read it unless you're just interested in getting the "full" experience (as I have felt before, multiple times).

3. It's confusing how you number Last Angel in Hell, but I think I get it. The Angel: Vol. 6 HC contains issues 23-27 and the Last Angel in Hell one-shot. The one-shot should be read any time after issue 17, but it's puts a nice capper on Brian Lynch's Angel run if you put it after issue 28.

4. Angel: The End contains issue 28-44 (as well as the yearbook and a few short stories starring the devil, Eddie Hope), and the story names can get confusing as well. In reality, the titles are something like this (and even this is probably a little off somewhere):
28. Crown Prince Syndrome
29. Immortality for Dummies
30. The Trouble With Felicia
31. The Big Dustup
32. Roman a Clef
33. Letters Home: A Jamesian Interlude
34. Bedroom Follies
35-37. Prophet for Profit
38. Cats in the Cradle
39-44. The Wolf, the Ram, and the Heart
When IDW collected these issue into hardcovers they made a little simpler (while making it more confusing to discerning readers). Not sure if you know this info already though...:
Vol. 1: Immortality for Dummies (issues 28-32)
Vol. 2: Crown Prince Syndrome (issues 33-38)
Vol. 3: The Wolf, the Ram, and the Heart (issues 39-44)

5. Lorne has to come before Immortality for Dummies I think.

6. Spike: Into the Light takes place before Season 7 supposedly, but it's not very good, and makes little sense, chronologically. I wouldn't recommend it.

7. Season 10 still has a little more than a year to go, and so far it looks like it'll just be the two main books alternating like S9.
Oh... a lot of people have been complaining about the Angel comics that came after ATF, I'm intrigued to know why. I'm gonna read the Angel comics anyway, I want to know how he defeats Wolfram and Hart, how his relationship with Gunn pans out and all that stuff. And okay thanks for the information on the Spike comics, I'm going to read Shadow of Puppets after I finish reading Asylum, as for Spike into the light, I might skip it since I've been hearing it's not good. But yeah I want to email you a few questions :D
 
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Now that I have completed Buffy and Angel the shows, I'm really looking forward to starting the comic books. All of these posts have really helped me. Now I'm even more excited! Thank you very much. :)
 
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Here's a rundown on how to collect almost every single comic. List of everything you'll want to collect if you want the "complete" comic experience. It's up to you to figure out what you consider canon and what's not.

Buffy Omnibus 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 - Dark Horse (these are going to get you every single old Buffy comic ever printed, with the exception of one - Rogue's Gallery. The first one starts before Season 1, then jumps to Season 3, all the way up to Season 7. Not necessary canon with the new stuff, but doesn't really contradict much of the story so far. Not hardcover.)

Angel Omnibus - Dark Horse (Set in Angel Season 2 or 3. The same as the Buffy Omnibuses. Also not hardcover.)

Angel Omnibus 1, 2 - IDW (Features a random assortment of issues. Some of these are stories set after Season 5, but before After the Fall came out, so they're not canon. A couple of the stories in here are good, though. There's a few episode adaptations. Angel: Only Human is in the second one, and it's pretty important to the end of After the Fall.)

Spike Omnibus - IDW (Features some pretty important stuff for Spike. Asylum and Shadow Puppets are especially important, usually considered canon. They lead into Spike stuff that leads into Buffy Season 8, so this is something you probably want. Again, not hardcover)

Angel: After the Fall - Here's where the main canon stuff comes in. You want to collect all six volumes in Hardcover. They are: After the Fall Volume 1, First Night (Volume 2), After the Fall Volume 3, After the Fall Volume 4, Aftermath (Volume 5), Last Angel in Hell (Volume 6). The first four are considered canon, the rest aren't, but they continue the story. There's also going to be three other parts after this: Immortality for Dummies (Volume 7), The Crown Prince Syndrome (Volume 8), and The Wolf, the Ram, and the Heart (Volume 9). But you don't want to buy these three individually. Instead, buy Angel: The End. It collects these three Volumes, the Angel Yearbook (exclusive comics to this edition), and the short story Eddie Hope and the Crew. This story ran in the back of each floppy issue of these volumes. Unless you want to collect it issue by issue, then this is the only place to really get it.

Angel: The John Byrne Collection - This is another hardback that fits in perfect with the After the Fall Volumes. It has some stupid stuff in it, but it has two stories that are essential to After the Fall: A Lorne short story (I guess not essential, but important), and Lorne: The Music of the Spheres. (This is essential).

Spike: The Devil You Know - Not hardcover. It has Spike teaming up with Eddie Hope for a few issues. It's not necessary to the After the Fall storyline.

Illyria: Haunted - This is a pretty important book, but it's only in trade paperback. It's discontinued, so prices are pretty high. Last time I checked, they were selling for $40. Either track the issues down individually or buy it in eBook if you're not wanting to drop the cash. I'd say it's pretty important to the story.

Spike: The Complete Series - Essential to tying everything from After the Fall to Buffy Season 8. Just in trade paperback form, as far as I know.

Fray - Another trade paperback that's extremely important to Season 8. You have to read this.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Tales - Collects Tales of the Slayers and Tales of the Vampires. This is a huge library edition hardcover that fits in right alongside Buffy Season 8, Season 9, and Angel & Faith Season 9. Get this. It's essential reading.

Buffy Season 8, Library Editions 1, 2, 3, 4 - Collects all of the Season 8 stuff, including the one shots. You'll have every comic from Season 8 if you buy this.

Buffy Season 9, Library Editions 1, 2, 3 - The same as Season 8. Everything is included here.

Angel & Faith Season 9, Library Editions 1, 2, 3 - The same as the others.

Spike: A Dark Place - Set in Season 7, but important to Season 10 (I guess, I haven't read it). But it comes in hardcover, that fits in right with the After the Fall stuff. Looks great.

Buffy and Angel & Faith Seasons 10

Buffy and Angel Seasons 11

The only things not collected here are: An Angel short story, which can be found as a motion comic on Dark Horse's website. There's also the Rogue's Gallery Buffy comic, which is near impossible to track down. Finally, in the Buffy: Haunted trade paperback, there's an extra two pages of Faith talking that's not in the Buffy Omnibuses. Not really worth the extra purchase, if you get the Omnibuses.

If you're wanting to collect everything, this is the best way to do it. It'll get you every comic with the least amount of crossover between books and volumes. It's pretty expensive o_O
 
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Nice! Yea, I think that would be the simplest way to get every single Buffyverse comic.

Spike: The Complete Series - Essential to tying everything from After the Fall to Buffy Season 8. Just in trade paperback form, as far as I know.
They split 'Spike' into two hardcovers. Vol. 1- Alone Together Now and Vol. 2- Stranger Things.
 

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I also put together a list for my friend not too long ago; he's seen the shows but never read any of the comics, so it's new reader friendly. The list is mostly chronologically based, with some things strategically placed for plot reasons. I included all confirmed canon material, as well as some "basically" canon (the Brian Lynch Spike miniseries, The Origin) and "possibly" canon that I thought was needed for closure for certain characters (some of the high points from IDW post-After the Fall). I went off individual issues, because when the various seasons start crossing over, I tried to make it all line up accurately. I hate when I read stuff out of order, personally! For longtime readers, like myself, I'd skip things such as The Origin and The High School Years -- and definitely Spike: Into the Light (ugh!) -- when doing a reread, but I listed them in with this list for new readers. Please let me know if you have any input!!

Reading Order:
Buffy: The Origin (#1-3)
Buffy: The High School Years (#1-3)
Fray (#1-8)
Tales of the Slayers (#1)
Tales of the Vampires (#1-5)
Spike: Into the Light (#1)
Spike: Asylum (#1-5)
Spike: Shadow Puppets (#1-4)
Angel: After the Fall (#1-8)
Spike: After the Fall (#1-4)
Angel: After the Fall (#9-17)
Angel: After the Fall - Epilogue (#23)
Angel: Drusilla (#24-25)
Angel: Boys and Their Toys (#26-27)
Angel: Only Human (#1-5)
Lorne: Music of the Spheres (#1)
Angel: Yearbook (#1)
Illyria: Haunted (#1-4)
Willow: Goddesses & Monsters (#1)
Buffy: Season 8 (#1-25)
Tales of the Vampires: The Thrill (#1)
Spike (#1-8)
Buffy: Season 8 (#26-35)
Riley: Commitment Through Distance (#1)
Buffy: Season 8 (#36-40)
Buffy: Season 9 (#1-15)
Angel & Faith v.1 (#1-15)
Buffy: Season 9 (#16-19)
Willow: Wonderland (#1-5)
Spike: A Dark Place (#1-5)
Angel & Faith v.1 (#16-25)
Buffy: Season 9 (#20-25)
Buffy: Love vs. Life (#1-3)
Buffy: Season 10 (#1-10)
Angel & Faith v.2 (#1-14)
Buffy: Season 10 (#11-15)
Angel & Faith v.2 (#15)
Buffy: Season 10 (#16-18)
Angel & Faith v.2 (#16-18)
Buffy: Season 10 (#19-25)
Angel & Faith v.2 (#19-25)
Buffy: Season 10 (#26-30)
Angel v.1 (#1-4)
Buffy: Season 11 (#1-3)
Angel v.1 (#5-8)
Buffy: Season 11 (#4-9)
Angel v.1 (#9-12)
Buffy: Season 11 (#10-12)
 

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Angel v.1 (#1-4)
Buffy: Season 11 (#1-3)
Angel v.1 (#5-8)
Buffy: Season 11 (#4-9)
Angel v.1 (#9-12)
Buffy: Season 11 (#10-12)
Interesting so even if their releases had Angel’s last arc being released after BTVS ends you have us ending with BtVS. What is your thought process with that?
 

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Interesting so even if their releases had Angel’s last arc being released after BTVS ends you have us ending with BtVS. What is your thought process with that?
Good question! I always perceive the Buffy title being THE main title, so I usually try to end a season run with that title subconsciously, I guess? As for Buffy and Angel Season 11 specifically, it's tricky because I think the Buffy title runs over the course of at least a few months, whereas Angel feels like it only lasts a handful of days at the most. I feel like the point of Angel's season was to keep him away from the world happenings taking place in the Buffy title that season, so it makes sense to stretch out that title along with Buffy's, even though it would make most sense to read Angel's entire 12 issue run straight through. I think we can wave the logistics away with the "oh, it's time travel" thing there. Most important to me is to show that Angel is not in present day when all of the world is turning to hell over in Buffy. Personally, I would probably just skip Angel season 11 because it's awful, but since my list is for first time readers I felt obligated to include it since it's considered canon (sigh). I just slipped in the Angel portions in between good stopping places for the Buffy title. Buffy Season 11 is really divided up into three acts, where I've divided it into, IMO. I'll have to add in Giles' miniseries somewhere in there once it's out; I'm assuming it'll go somewhere after Buffy #3 but before #12.

I hope this answered your question? I'm not sure if I understood!
 

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Good question! I always perceive the Buffy title being THE main title, so I usually try to end a season run with that title subconsciously, I guess? As for Buffy and Angel Season 11 specifically, it's tricky because I think the Buffy title runs over the course of at least a few months, whereas Angel feels like it only lasts a handful of days at the most. I feel like the point of Angel's season was to keep him away from the world happenings taking place in the Buffy title that season, so it makes sense to stretch out that title along with Buffy's, even though it would make most sense to read Angel's entire 12 issue run straight through. I think we can wave the logistics away with the "oh, it's time travel" thing there. Most important to me is to show that Angel is not in present day when all of the world is turning to hell over in Buffy. Personally, I would probably just skip Angel season 11 because it's awful, but since my list is for first time readers I felt obligated to include it since it's considered canon (sigh). I just slipped in the Angel portions in between good stopping places for the Buffy title. Buffy Season 11 is really divided up into three acts, where I've divided it into, IMO. I'll have to add in Giles' miniseries somewhere in there once it's out; I'm assuming it'll go somewhere after Buffy #3 but before #12.

I hope this answered your question? I'm not sure if I understood!
Yeah makes sense. The placement of Angel s11 is tricky for all of the reasons you mention. If anything you are being kind in giving prospective readers a break in between the nonsense of Angel s11.
 

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Yeah makes sense. The placement of Angel s11 is tricky for all of the reasons you mention. If anything you are being kind in giving prospective readers a break in between the nonsense of Angel s11.
I fixed it... LOL!

Buffy: Season 11 (#1-12)
SKIP ANGEL SEASON 11; SAVE YOURSELF
 

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I cant find Tales online, nooo
I'm sure it's out there, but otherwise the hardback they released a few years back is beautiful if a bit pricey. Tales is definitely worth a read if you haven't done so yet! Not my absolute favorite, and I'd personally skip it in a reread of the 'verse, but there's some cool stuff there for at least one read through.

EDIT - You can actually find it really cheap on ebay! Like $10-15! Highly recommended.
 
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Awesome and very interesting reading order! I have a lot of questions.

Reading Order:
Buffy: The Origin (#1-3)
Buffy: The High School Years (#1-3)
Fray (#1-8)
Tales of the Slayers (#1)
Tales of the Vampires (#1-5)
Spike: Into the Light (#1)
Personally, I have a "Season 0" in my head canon which consists of:
1. Tales of the Slayers
2. Tales of the Vampires
3. The Origin
4. Viva Las Buffy (classic series, 51-54)
5. Slayer, Interrupted (56-59)
6. Stake to the Heart (61-63)

Although 'Tales' (the Fray story) takes place after Fray, I much prefer to start off my rewatch/read with Tales of the Slayers. I end up putting Fray in a different spot every time. This time I placed it after Season 5.

I kind of liked High School Years (although admittedly they're vapid, pointless, and dumb), but Into the Light sucks and breaks canon so hard.

Spike: Asylum (#1-5)
Spike: Shadow Puppets (#1-4)
:) Kudos for putting these in there.

Angel: After the Fall (#1-8)
Spike: After the Fall (#1-4)
Angel: After the Fall (#9-17)
Why not read First Night first?

Angel: After the Fall - Epilogue (#23)
Angel: Drusilla (#24-25)
Angel: Boys and Their Toys (#26-27)
Angel: Only Human (#1-5)
Lorne: Music of the Spheres (#1)
Angel: Yearbook (#1)
Illyria: Haunted (#1-4)
I like to read Only Human immediately after the Epilogue. I also would put Yearbook at the end seeing as it caps off IDW's tenure on Angel. Last Angel in Hell would be a great addition too imo.

Willow: Goddesses & Monsters (#1)
Buffy: Season 8 (#1-25)
Tales of the Vampires: The Thrill (#1)
Spike (#1-8)
Buffy: Season 8 (#26-35)
Riley: Commitment Through Distance (#1)
Buffy: Season 8 (#36-40)
Why read Willow first, but not Riley? And don't forget Carpe Noctem.
Also, doesn't Willow show up in Spike? I can't recall exactly what point in time she was there, but I could have sworn it took place before BS8.

Buffy: Season 9 (#1-15)
Angel & Faith v.1 (#1-15)
Buffy: Season 9 (#16-19)
Willow: Wonderland (#1-5)
Spike: A Dark Place (#1-5)
Angel & Faith v.1 (#16-25)
Buffy: Season 9 (#20-25)
Buffy: Love vs. Life (#1-3)
I agree with your logic making Buffy the beginning and end, but I cannot condone Love vs. Life being the last thing you experience of S9. :p
And what's the logic behind reading them in big chunks like that, rather than alternating arcs?
Personally, I prefer to read A&F from start to finish, without interruption, so I tend to just throw Spike, Willow, and Billy in with BS9.
 

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Personally, I have a "Season 0" in my head canon which consists of:
1. Tales of the Slayers
2. Tales of the Vampires
3. The Origin
4. Viva Las Buffy (classic series, 51-54)
5. Slayer, Interrupted (56-59)
6. Stake to the Heart (61-63)

Although 'Tales' (the Fray story) takes place after Fray, I much prefer to start off my rewatch/read with Tales of the Slayers. I end up putting Fray in a different spot every time. This time I placed it after Season 5.

I kind of liked High School Years (although admittedly they're vapid, pointless, and dumb), but Into the Light sucks and breaks canon so hard.
I originally placed Fray between the IDW Angel run and the Season 8 comics, but that was before I had included the Tales issues in this list. So Fray has definitely moved around a good bit in my order! I'm happy with leaving it at the beginning (besides the high school stuff) since it was the first comic Joss wrote and since Fray's story takes place before her appearance in Tales of the Slayers. IMO, there's really no "good" place to read the Tales stuff, so getting it done early on, although after Fray and before Season 8, is what I find most important!

I also enjoyed the High School Years! And since Joss' name is on them as executive producer, I included them. I think The Origin leads nicely into them, and since Joss has said The Origin is "basically" canon, I went ahead and put all of them together at the very beginning because of chronological reasons. I'm pretty sure The Origin contradicts Tales of the Vampires about Jack the Ripper, thus I took it off my list for a while, but it's really a small remark that most readers will probably overlook it, and I do feel it's nice to have Buffy's origin thrown in, especially if you're reading The High School years.

Into the Light is AWFUL, agreed! LOL! I did not want to include it in my listing, and I didn't for a long time, but then they introduced Dylan in Season 10, and I felt obligated. It's kind of the same situation as with Spike Asylum and Shadow Puppets, where characters that originated there pop up in confirmed canon later on. Obviously Dylan isn't as important as Beck and George, but I felt like I had to be fair and throw it on this list. That said, I will never read it again, ever, and I think it's totally fair to remove Into the Light completely too.


:) Kudos for putting these in there.
Yes!! They're so good, and you HAVE to read them to fully understand Beck and George. And the fact that all the characters pop up in the Spike series at the end only confirms that you HAVE to read them. They're canon, all but outright said so by Joss directly.


Why not read First Night first?
I think it'd be fine to read First Night first in a reread, as it really interrupts the flow of the narrative (and adding in Spike: After the Fall with it only makes it worse), but for first time readers I say read it in publication order. Mainly because George's bits take place during the present time, and also because reading First Night first spoils the shock of Angel being human, Gunn being a vampire, and Illyria turning into Fred. I think it's most important for new readers to get the shock value as they were intended to when reading issue to issue.

Side note: I almost placed the Drusilla two parter somewhere around First Night, but since it starts off well BEFORE the first night in hell, it really doesn't fit there. It also contains visual spoilers for the final issues (like Connor getting killed), so I find it best to just read it in publication order.


I like to read Only Human immediately after the Epilogue. I also would put Yearbook at the end seeing as it caps off IDW's tenure on Angel. Last Angel in Hell would be a great addition too imo.
Between the Epilogue and Only Human, I feel like some time has lapsed, so I placed a thing or two between them to space them out. I guess you could place Only Human after Drusilla, but Gunn and Illyria aren't present for Boys and Their Toys, but then are in Lorne: Music of the Spheres, so it makes most sense to me to have Only Human lead in Lorne, since it shows them returning to LA at the end.

Yearbook is a great bookender, agreed, but it's problematic! There's two things that really made me place it BEFORE Illyria: Haunted. 1.) Illyria's hair would be inconsistent. In Yearbook she has her usual hair, but by the end of Illyria: Haunted she has fully blue hair. If you read Yearbook after Haunted, it stands out as not chronologically accurate. I know Yearbook is short stories, an anthology and all over the place in the timeline, but that's where my second reason comes in... 2.) If you read Yearbook after Haunted, you miss out on the emotional settings that connect the Fred/Wesley short story and Haunted. The beach Wes and Fred go on their first date at is the same beach Illyria repeatedly visits in Haunted. I guess you could read Yearbook after Haunted and still get the same emotional "ahah!" moment, but I find it way more powerful when you realize Illyria is returning to it. I also just find the final scene of Illyria: Haunted as a really beautiful cap to the IDW era. I'm probably biased because I love her, but there's something really emotional about Illyria on that beach, all different, looking into the distance saying, "Come, my friend. It's time to go." Gets me every time!!


Why read Willow first, but not Riley? And don't forget Carpe Noctem.
Also, doesn't Willow show up in Spike? I can't recall exactly what point in time she was there, but I could have sworn it took place before BS8.
Again, my list is new reader based, so you can't read Riley before you know Angel is Twilight! With this issue, again, there's really no good place to read it on a first time read. During a reread, I would read it somewhere near the beginning of Season 8, but for new readers I say read it directly after the Twilight arc, but before Last Gleaming. That way you don't ruin the Angel reveal, but then immediately after you can kind of get some explanation for his actions before going into the final arc.

The Willow issue takes place chronologically before season 8 as well, but it doesn't ruin anything plot-wise by reading it before it was published. The only thing it "spoils" is Aluwyn's identity, which I find more helpful than anything else. When we see Willow and Aluwyn sleeping together in issue 10(?), instead of going, "Who the hell is that, and why is Willow sleeping with her?!" first time readers will go, "OMG! Willow cheated on Kennedy with the snake lady mentor!!" There's really not a perfect spot to read the Willow issue either, but I think it works best chronologically first. Reading it first also shows you what Willow is up to during the first three issues of Season 8.

The short ecomics are fun, and I should add them all in at some point! There's way more than just Carpe Noctem. My personal favorite is Always Darkest.

And yes, Willow pops up in the Spike series for a few issues, which is super important! I originally ended the IDW run with the Spike series, but you'll notice that Spike sees a show with Beck about slayers being evil and them killing vampires. This wasn't something introduced until Buffy season 8 #21, so logically Spike has to take place after that issue. I think it's best to just finish out the Predators and Prey arc before reading Spike though. Placing the Tales issue between them also helps add some perspective on the slayer/vampire situation before bringing in the slayer/vampire entertainment stuff in Spike. There's really nothing to mark Willow's appearance in the timeline besides her referencing Dawn being "hard to miss". This is obviously a joke about her being a giant, even though she's a centaur at that point if you read it in my order. I wave that away as centaurs being "hard to miss" as well. The only big continuity goof by reading Spike here is Illyria's hair color in the very beginning, but alas! I feel the slayer/vampire thing is way more important to place accurately than her hair color (which changes again anyways).


I agree with your logic making Buffy the beginning and end, but I cannot condone Love vs. Life being the last thing you experience of S9. :p
And what's the logic behind reading them in big chunks like that, rather than alternating arcs?
Personally, I prefer to read A&F from start to finish, without interruption, so I tend to just throw Spike, Willow, and Billy in with BS9.
I love Billy, so I enjoy Love vs Life! I placed it last because Billy experiencing his vision signals the new magic coming into the world, which happens over in Buffy season 9, so I placed Love vs Life afterwards so readers would probably piece together what was happening. I also think having it last leads well into Buffy and co coming to Santa Monica to help. It also adds some space between seeing Vicky for the first time and her raising to the leader of the new vamps.

The chunks is mainly just so they line up accurately down the road for crossovers, even mini ones such as Buffy calling Faith on the phone and mentioning Dawn fading away. Many of the arcs lead directly into the next too without pause, so I tried to keep the momentum going by keeping those ones grouped together. I tried to end each chunk with a somewhat satisfying stopping place.

I placed Spike and Willow as best I could to make them line up accurately with the timeline. They're placed in my order directly before they are reintroduced to the main titles, I think.

Thanks so much for all the comments!! I love talking about this haha.
 
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I'm sure it's out there, but otherwise the hardback they released a few years back is beautiful if a bit pricey. Tales is definitely worth a read if you haven't done so yet! Not my absolute favorite, and I'd personally skip it in a reread of the 'verse, but there's some cool stuff there for at least one read through.

EDIT - You can actually find it really cheap on ebay! Like $10-15! Highly recommended.
will i miss important things story-wise if i don't read the Tales? i don't live in the US so it's hard to get
 
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It's only important if you're care about the Slayer/Vampire legacy. Also it's just very good.

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will i miss important things story-wise if i don't read the Tales? i don't live in the US so it's hard to get
There’s nothing super important, no! All you really miss is seeing Fray briefly, Buffy saving Xander from Dracula (post-Chosen), and seeing Giles’ grandmother. At least, that’s all I personally find “important”. :)
 
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