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Could Dark Willow Have Killed Buffy?

Discussion in 'Season 6' started by Fool for Buffy, Aug 4, 2017.

  1. Fool for Buffy

    Fool for Buffy BFF of Sour Patch Kid

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    I understand that Dark Willow has this raging sensation to fight Buffy because she wants to beat her in Two to Go. But it didn't seem like she wanted to kill her, just prove she was better. So if Buffy was there at Kingman's Bluff, could Willow have killed her before destroying the world? Or did it have to be Xander?
     
  2. Antho

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    From an emotional point of view, it had to be Xander who stopped Dark Willow, for me it's logic it's him and not Buffy. Why ? Because Willow needed to feel loved, to feel that life was worth living, she needed to be reconnect to her human emotions. Buffy was clearly not the ideal person because this year she was even disconnected from the reality and her emotions ( she said she was more happy in heaven, in Normal again at first she chooses an another reality) so she wasn't convincing in this role.
     
  3. WillowFromBuffy

    WillowFromBuffy "My bowling shoe fetish is not the issue here."

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    Willow would not have killed Buffy directly. I cannot believe that. I also believe Willow would have calmed down if Buffy had said the right words. Dark Willow's first act was to save Buffy, even though she hardly needed her help to stomp three insects.
     
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    I think at this point, Willow was so consumed by the darkness and the feelings within her, she would have done anything to Buffy to prove she was the more powerful being. This is a girl who stood on the sidelines for many years as a 'sidekick'. She didn't want to be a sidekick, she felt like she was more than that. So when she got this power, it just consumed her completely.

    Just to add, I don't think Willow would have done it on purpose, I think it would be the darkness and pain controlling her actions. Normal Willow would be appalled by her behaviour.
     
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    WillowFromBuffy "My bowling shoe fetish is not the issue here."

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    I think Willow was always happy to be the sidekick, until season 6 when she was demoted from best friend to something Buffy had to scrape off the pavement and carry home against her will. I think two premises had to be in place for Willow to go dark. The first was Tara's death. The second was her alienation from the Scoobies.
     
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    No. Well - obviously, yes she could because at the end of the day they're all only marks on a page - but not without upsetting the internal logic that's in place and is providing the dynamic for the following season. What's happening at the level of discourse - the way the story is told rather than what's being told - is a movement away from extreme binaries*. At their most extremes Willow is pure emotion (call it pure empathy although I don't like the term) - Buffy, as Antho says, is disconnected, so represents the opposite - pure reason or objectivity). For Willow to kill Buffy would simply reverse the privilege. If Buffy kills Willow the privilege (status quo) remains. Either way - there's no change. Also - you can't remove the virgule (the /) - without difference meaning can't exist. There has to be a third term (played at different times by Giles, Anya, Dawn etc). Xander is the third term between Buffy and Willow. What the text is doing is lessening the space between the extremes. It's also started to reject linear notions of temporality, simple cause and effect and question concepts of "space". Spaces are "bleeding" into each other. There's a reason Willow's story is intercut with Spike's (WILLow/WILLiam) despite the fact that - in reality - the chronology is probably different.
    *(Spirit/Body: Male/Female; Self/Other; Conscious/Unconscious; Present/Past; Objectivity/Subjectivity; Connection/Disconnection; Mind/Heart; Hero/Villain; Light/Dark). I'm going to hate myself for this remark - it's even more complicated than I've implied.

    I have now, officially, bored myself and allowed structuralism to ruin a good story. I'll either get my coat - drink more coffee - or just kill myself. Let me mull it over. ;)
     
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    I think Buffy would not have used her words for dealing with her, whereas Xander only had that option.
     
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    We saw the two of them fight pretty hard against each other. It really did seem like DW was prepared to kill Buffy. I think what made Willow able to feel her own pain and the world's pain was the shot of pure magic Giles gave her. Before that, she was all about destruction, nothing could stop her, she'd kill if she wanted to or thought it was necessary. She felt inferior to Buffy, so she wanted to kill her -- or terribly wound her -- to prove her own power and worth. It's all about not wanting to be the Willow from season 1 who was so painfully shy and picked on.

    After Giles unloads his pure, good magic on her, she slows down a little. She's still bent on destroying the world, sure, but that little spark of humanity (same with Glory) holds her back and allows Xander to stop her by saying he loves her. And yes, I do think it had to be him. He's known her almost her whole life -- he's watched her transformation from child to teenager to young adult, been there for everything, and they love each other. She simply can't kill him, and when she realizes that, her pain comes flooding back strong and she feels human emotion -- instead of pure, unadulterated rage -- once again, and just collapses under the weight of it all.
     
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    Willow tried to kill Buffy several times in that arc.

    She rammed a semi truck into the car Buffy was in.

    She sent a comet hurtling towards Xander & Dawn knowing Buffy would try to get in its path to save them.

    She created violent monsters formed from rock & dirt to do her dirty work for her when Buffy was underground. "You should go down (die) fighting. I was the one who took you out of the earth, now the earth wants you back."