I don't think Spike/Harmony are comparable to Wes/Lilah. It's clear that Spike holds no affection for Harmony and is simply using her for sex. He treats her appallingly and never considers her feelings or wants or needs.Absolutely, but that was the point of the 'relationship', kinda like how Wes and Lilah never would've worked out in the end, either. Doesn't stop it from being a fascinating and, at times, fun watch, though.
I agree with everything else you are saying, but I don't think this is a fair description of Harmony. Harmony knows exactly what Spike is about, she just doesn't have a lot of options. Harmony's vampirism is great metaphor for falling off the rails and lacking the self reliance and social safety net to get back up on one's feet.vapid and unaware girl
I agree completely, I only used the comparison in the vague sense of both being intriguing to watch and both not being end-game. I wasn't comparing them in any real way regarding how they act around/with each other.I don't think Spike/Harmony are comparable to Wes/Lilah. It's clear that Spike holds no affection for Harmony and is simply using her for sex. He treats her appallingly and never considers her feelings or wants or needs.
Wes and Lilah genuinely care for one another but are prevented from expressing these feelings because of their pride and the fact that they work on opposite sides. Their relationship is a power play with real emotion underneath, whereas Spike and Harmony just comes across as a toxic and abusive relationship between a vapid and unaware girl and a guy who wants sex and sees her as an easy way to get it. There's no affection or love there.
They could have been endgame. Spike and Harmony could have been endgame, though it wouldn't have been very healthy, but those relationships also exist. However, it would have, imo, taken away some of the interest in Weslah if they had been together at the end. It felt perfectly them to go the way it did. But then, that's just meBah! I will never concede that Wes and Lilah couldn't have been endgame. "You didn't love me!" "Now we'll never know, will we?"
I agree that Wesley and Lilah got a beautiful ending, but I like to imagine what could have happened if Lilah had lived and Wesley had allowed himself to believe that she really did love him. I think there was potential for growth there. Spike and Harmony, on the other hand, could only have deteriorated further. Even after he gets his soul, Spike is hardly able to treat her with any semblance of respect or consideration.They could have been endgame. Spike and Harmony could have been endgame, though it wouldn't have been very healthy, but those relationships also exist. However, it would have, imo, taken away some of the interest in Weslah if they had been together at the end. It felt perfectly them to go the way it did. But then, that's just me
Then what were the writers excuse for S6? I very much doubt that we, the audience, were meant to think that the abuse was 'okay'. It was framed as abuse, because it was meant to be seen that way. It wasn't supposed to be cool or funny (except for the occasional line here or there) and when Harmony cried, we were not supposed to roll our eyes and call her pathetic. Spike was not the sympathetic one here, and he was never meant to be.I guess the writers thought it was okay because Harmony was "evil"
Again, disagree. Spike isn't the monster that some fans like to think, but he's also not the good guy others see. He is possessive of Drusilla, and entitled, in his own mind, to Buffy's affection just because he does something nice for her. This is not a healthy lover, whether I'm a Spuffy shipper or not. Respectful to women? In the eye of the beholder, I suppose, but I don't see his treatment of Harmony as anything other than in-character for Spike.There's just no reason for it. From a character standpoint, it makes no sense, because if Spike is anything, he's usually respectful and admiring of woman, right? Even from a story or humor standpoint, it's not even funny, which it's intended to be.
I disagree. I think the Angelus situation is completely different from a general possessiveness. There is an underlying issue with the Angelus/Drusilla dynamic which I think Spike gets very twitchy about. Fans generally seem to think that Dru ditched Spike for Angelus in Season 2, however the truth is that she didn't. She was sleeping with BOTH men. There are reasons why Dru might sleep with Angelus eg he's the dominant vampire therefore what he says goes, he trained her to react in that way towards him, etc. However, whilst Spike is in the wheelchair, there is no status benefit involved for Dru since Spike wields no power (and sleeping with him actually undermines Angelus' dominant status) yet Dru continues to do so because she wants to. Angelus is often the one separating Spike and Dru by trying to keep Dru away from Spike which Spike is unable to prevent due to his disadvantaged position.He is possessive of Drusilla