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Discussion of 1.04 "Teacher's Pet" - Aired 3/24/1997 (WB-US)

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I actually really like this episode, maybe even more just because of the cheesiness lol I love the scene where Dr. Gregory tells Buffy "let's make them eat that permanent record." I loved seeing someone actually stick up for her & give her some confidence academically for once. I was sad that of course he was the one that was killed off. There are a lot of funny moments here. I love Xander daydreaming about Buffy & drooling in class. Also, when they show up at Mrs. French's door & the little old lady is like "no, I'm right here!" when Buffy says "she could be out there anywhere!"

And I also love the ending scene with Buffy & Angel.
 

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Hmn, not as bad as a lot of people say, but definitly a bit of a misstep, feels clumsy compared to the episodes that have come before. Though it does have its good bits, which are:

Good Bits: Xander's dream sequence is so OT it's part funny, but mostly pathetic. Buffy as damsel *shakes head*. Buffy bonding with her teacher, and her reaction to his death (she actually seems genuinly upset about a death for the first time. :( ), Xander's reaction to seeing Angel, both Buffy's conversations with Angel are good, and the first one is actually kind of funny. ('Fork guy?'). Buffy's fight with said baddie is also pretty good. (Plus, is this the only time the cops show up to interupt her patrol? I guess Sunnydale PD really cracks down on their homeless problem. :confused:)

Not So Good Bits: Buffy's conclusion that Ms French is a mantis woman due to some very flimsy reasoning, are there no demons that can do what she can do? Though its nice that Buffy uses her brain to fight the thing. (Bat sonar and such.) Blayne is annoying and the Mantis-thing is truly, terribly bad FX which usually don't bother me but still. (I guess I have seen worse things on Dr. Who...)

One of the weakest of the season, although it a nice subversion of save the helpless girl-virgin from the monster' type scenario.
 

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Yeah me thinks not just the weakest of S1 (prefer IRYJ to this), but one of the weakest ever.

So thats start with the good things.

The opening dream sequence is just so silly and cheesy, and that is why I like it! The fact that Buffy comes of weak here makes no difference, because it is after all Xander's dream, and at this stage he is still very imature.

Xander's nerdy sweater, and the way he stumbles into the Bronze post-credits and tries to look cool:rolleyes: Oh and that band!:p

The stuff in the class room is sweet stuff, and does ring true. The comment which Dr Gregory makes when catching Buffy out is the sort of wit teachers do imploy. And yes I too was touched by the kind words of Dr Gregory to her, and also Buffy's reaction to his death

Love Buffy's Exorcist reference.

Willow and Buffy teasing Xander over his school boy crush, and the scastic looks they give each other when he attemps to flirt.

And the bad stuff:

There are too many throw away jokes, which are kind of amusing, but not overly funny.

Apart from doing a slight gender reveasal there is little new or ground breaking here.

I agree that the Angel involvement is pretty pointless.

DB is still trying to grow into the role at this point and it shows.

The way the gang solve the mystery is really clunky.

Cordy could have been given a bigger part than just finding the body and screaming again.

The creature effects are second rate and it doesn't look convincing when Buffy is fighting it.

The main plot just doesn't feel that original.

4/10
 

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I think this is a good Xander focused ep.

I had completely forgot about Xander's dream in this ep, it's interesting that he wants to be the hero rockstar, when in the future he does save her and it's Oz who comes in and plays in the Bronze.

Also that he's all about the girls, Buffy and Miss French but also it seems the guys too, the band guy and Angel. I like how he's all into the teacher but comes to his senses by remembering Buffy and his dream. It seems to be something that pushes him to fight back, if only for a little while.

This is also the start of us seeing that the authorities in Sunnydale do know what's going on, but keep it quiet.
 

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I think this is a good Xander focused ep.

I had completely forgot about Xander's dream in this ep, it's interesting that he wants to be the hero rockstar, when in the future he does save her and it's Oz who comes in and plays in the Bronze.

Also that he's all about the girls, Buffy and Miss French but also it seems the guys too, the band guy and Angel. I like how he's all into the teacher but comes to his senses by remembering Buffy and his dream. It seems to be something that pushes him to fight back, if only for a little while.

This is also the start of us seeing that the authorities in Sunnydale do know what's going on, but keep it quiet.
The Dream at the start is maybe the highlight of the episode that and Buffy's touching scene with the teacher. Besides that I think its a terrible episode. Also there have been better Xander focused episodes such as 'The Replacement' and 'Zeppo'. The bit which is really dumb is when Buffy warns him not to go into the house and he dismisses her as being jealous. That made no sense because he knows that Buffy just sees him as a friend and besides if a friend warns you that you could be in danger then your at least going to consider not going in.
 

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I see it more as him being under a thrall type of thing like he was with Dracula, and yes there are better ones but I see this as being the first real character focused ep.
 

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I see it more as him being under a thrall type of thing like he was with Dracula, and yes there are better ones but I see this as being the first real character focused ep.
But I don't think he was there was nothing in that episode to suggest that Ms. French had those sorts of powers just that it was Xander and the other guy giving in to their teenage urges. There are many problems with the episode but that is quite a big one I think.
 

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I think it's a really powerful episode. It focuses on teachers preying on students. That's a very intense subject to focus on especially when this is only episode 4. It also takes the very serious subject and relays it perfectly into the Buffyverse. Yes it leaves questions unanswered like what happens to the eggs but it is a good episode.
 

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I love how Angel just gave his jacket to Buffy because she was cold :)

And is it just me or Dr. Gregory looked a bit like a hairier, shorter and heftier version of Bernie Sanders ?

Overall, this episode is filler more than anything else.
 

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I find the episode quite disturbing. What the teacher was doing to those virgin students was rape. Rape then murder. That's... really freaky.

I actually like the episode. The gender reversal was interesting and the episode does kick off the parallels between Buffy and Xander's storylines. Both resenting who they are and wanting to fit in into the gender norms.
 

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Another great season 1 episode! The more I watch these season 1 episodes, the more I love them!

Thoughts and observations:
- Loved the initial dream sequence, when Xander got to be a macho man. Cut to the end of the episode and Buffy saves Xander from the bad teacher. Lovely!
- I really liked Dr. Gregory, he was warm and supportive. It's nice to see someone who believes in Buffy.
- Loved the scene with Miss French walking towards Xander. The music and Xander's face are perfect. This episode has great comedic timing.
- Agree with @sosa lola about how disturbing Miss French's interest in high school kids is. Although Buffy and Willow acknowledge how weird the situation is, no one is rightfully alarmed! The teacher is taking students to her house! It's also frightening how Xander's mom actually let his son go to his teacher's house (she told Willow) without realizing how inappropriate and odd that was.
- I liked how Miss French, a female, was after male virgins, It's a nice role reversal, since it's usually the female virgins being sacrificed.
- The substitute teacher is the first in many of Xander's non-human love interests.
- Buffy was really clever all around in this episode: doing great research, using the Fork Guy to find the teacher's house, etc.
- Angel is back! This episode is written by David Greenwalt, who also wrote 'Angel', and obviously created Ats along with JW. Seems like he was very involved in this character right from the start. DB's acting skills this season were pretty bad, but having seen all of AtS I find it funny now. It's amazing how cocky Angel was in the beginning of the season; he only drops the act in the episode 'Angel'. I loved how David delivered the line: "Don't let him corner you. And don't give him a moment's mercy. He'll rip your throat out.". He almost sounds gleeful! I was right there with Buffy when she said "Oh, boy..." though. I think I watched this episode after having watched the whole season and it was 'Teacher's Pet' that made me realize I had developed a crush on Angel, much like Buffy.

'Teacher's Pet' has a great first half, then gets a little less interesting, but it's overall an enjoyable episode - with a subtle message that I didn't quite catch the first time I watched it. It reminds me of how smart the writing used to be. More so than in the later seasons.
 

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- I liked how Miss French, a female, was after male virgins, It's a nice role reversal, since it's usually the female virgins being sacrificed.
I think this is something that is often overlooked in the media and kind of reflects society's view of sexual predators which equates to Males=perpetrators Females=Victims. Buffy likes to subvert that. In a normal horror movie, a girl like Buffy would be the first victim. In Buffy, she's the slayer and is the one tasked with keeping the world safe.

In this episode and IOHEFY, the unprofessional relationship between teacher and student is played for laughs and tragedy respectively. Yet if the roles had been reversed, it would seem a lot more serious and sinister. Buffy and Angel kind of role reversed the role reversal in IOHEFY which I think was subtly raising a point.
 

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I think this is something that is often overlooked in the media and kind of reflects society's view of sexual predators which equates to Males=perpetrators Females=Victims. Buffy likes to subvert that. In a normal horror movie, a girl like Buffy would be the first victim. In Buffy, she's the slayer and is the one tasked with keeping the world safe.

In this episode and IOHEFY, the unprofessional relationship between teacher and student is played for laughs and tragedy respectively. Yet if the roles had been reversed, it would seem a lot more serious and sinister. Buffy and Angel kind of role reversed the role reversal in IOHEFY which I think was subtly raising a point.
I guess. But often on television it is the older experience woman who seduces the younger impressably male. Not sure if Teacher's Pet presents that much new?c
 

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I guess. But often on television it is the older experience woman who seduces the younger impressably male. Not sure if Teacher's Pet presents that much new?c
This episode definitely turns over the male teacher as predetor cliche, but unfortunatly it rebounds straight into the sexually active woman is evil cliche. That's always been a problem for me with this episode and why is misses the mark at being either funny or subversive.
 

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This episode definitely turns over the male teacher as predetor cliche, but unfortunatly it rebounds straight into the sexually active woman is evil cliche. That's always been a problem for me with this episode and why is misses the mark at being either funny or subversive.
I agree. I think there are far bigger problems with the episode, but that is another issue.
 

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This is 1967's "The Graduate" with Natalie French (Musetta Vander) playing the part of Mrs. Robinson (Ann Bancroft) and Xander playing the part of Ben Braddock (Dustin Hoffman) except in this one, Mrs. Robinson is a shape-shifter who turns into a praying mantis. The cougar / schoolboy matchup has been a staple of mainstream movies, romances, soap operas and porno flicks for a long time.
 

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I hate this episode so much. I cannot student/teacher relationships, but first of all...GROSS and second of all it is ILLEGAL. There are people with crushes on teachers in my country, but it is not such a normal thing for the students to be so obviously in love with the teachers.

I love Buffy's teacher, he is such a role model as a teacher for me and I wish he had been part of the show longer. Then his death would have had more of an impact on the characters.

I do like the small interactions between the scoobies and I feel like the actors really started to form a bond together.

One final point...Ms. French is not even hot.
 

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I hate this episode so much. I cannot student/teacher relationships, but first of all...GROSS and second of all it is ILLEGAL. There are people with crushes on teachers in my country, but it is not such a normal thing for the students to be so obviously in love with the teachers.

I love Buffy's teacher, he is such a role model as a teacher for me and I wish he had been part of the show longer. Then his death would have had more of an impact on the characters.

I do like the small interactions between the scoobies and I feel like the actors really started to form a bond together.


One final point...Ms. French is not even hot.
Its only Illegal on the teacher part if they do anything with the student. In this case its just part of a cheap B-movie plot, and she's not a real teacher, so it doesn't really bother me on any moral level.

Good point on the teacher, but then I guess that's a very Whedon thing to set up a relationship like that, only to sweep the rug out from under us!:p

Even in the worse Buffy episodes, there are little moments that make them watchable, and the Scooby interactions here are just that.
 

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Its only Illegal on the teacher part if they do anything with the student. In this case its just part of a cheap B-movie plot, and she's not a real teacher, so it doesn't really bother me on any moral level.

Good point on the teacher, but then I guess that's a very Whedon thing to set up a relationship like that, only to sweep the rug out from under us!:p

Even in the worse Buffy episodes, there are little moments that make them watchable, and the Scooby interactions here are just that.
Inviting a student to come over and serve him alcoholic drinks is pretty illegal here, especially if he is underage. I mean we used to go out with our mentor for dinner when I was in highschool, but there are pretty clear rules here of what is considered to be ok. At my previous school I was not even allowed to be alone with one student in the room, to protect both the teacher and student. The moral bit really ticks me off. I would have been fine with it if any of the characters commented on it and started a conversation about this problem.
 
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