NeonSlayer
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I used to love this episode and thought it showed how much Angel loves Buffy.
But now all I can think is he seemed to forget (for most of AtS anyway) what they could've had more than she did. Angel is referenced in half of the BtVS s4-7 episodes and his name said over 5 dozen times. His presence & influence never leaves. She's there thinking she can't be with the man she loves because of fate while he's off rarely thinking of her and actively trying to date other mortal human-ish girls despite still being a cursed immortal vampire.
On AtS they wanted to make Angel & his show its own thing so kept trying to relegate Buffy to just the ex. Even in Hearthrob when we learn Angel's grief for Buffy was so intense he left the country for 3 months to meditate in a monastery in Sri Lanka, it was a Cangel episode. They used Angel's grief episode to further promote a future with Cordelia. It would be like if the BtVS writers were planning on Buffy falling for Xander in s3-4 so had Anne involve her wearing matching shirt colors with Xander, hugging Xander several times, only having a one-on-one talk with Xander, going after danger with Xander tagging along for safety, and the villain mistaking Xander for the man she loves while Xander says things like "I miss Angel too" "Don't say the A word" "We don't like to mention him".
Every time I see Cordelia in IWRY it makes me cringe because I know Angel is going to give up the love of his life only to try to date the only other girl in the episode.
Cordelia to Buffy: Maybe it's time you grew up and realized you can't have everything. You can't have Angel and save the world.
AtS didn't think that was an issue for any of Angel's other romantic or sexual interests. We were supposed to root for Cangel because they are both part of AI even though Angel & Buffy were going on patrols together, had many of the same demon powers, fought at the same level, & were part of the same save-the-world investigate-MOTW team.
What Buffy wanted wasn't normalcy, it was an end to trauma. She never gets a human life because she's not human, not completely. She spends half of s4 & half of s5 dating another monster fighter. What does Riley provide that Angel couldn't with the Gem of Amara she gave him? Sex? That wasn't a deterrent for Angel trying to date Cordelia or being ready to date Buffy any time she said the word post-Chosen. It was only in AtS 1-4 that Angel stayed away from Buffy because he thought he had nothing to offer her. Even though in that time he became a convertible driving hotel owning businessman who made thousands a month from MOTW cases. He had more to offer Buffy in that time frame than he did the entire time they were dating.
Yeah, Buffy tried to see what he did as for the best, because the only other option was to be bitter. In Living Conditions she is strongly ant-Kathy then when Kathy is gone she says "Other than trying to suck my soul out while I slept and trap me in a hell dimension she wasn't so bad as far as roommates go." In Grave even though she begged Giles not to leave months earlier when he comes back for a case and admits he shouldn't of left she says "You were right." In Touched even though she was crying over being kicked out of her own house and genuinely believed there was something at the vineyard & that Faith would lead them into a disaster (both happen that ep) she says "It's not like they were wrong." In The Yoko Factor even though Buffy says she went to LA to help Angel and Xander & Riley begin the episode by talking about how she went to LA to help Angel (Faith tried to murder him), she apologizes to Angel for passing judgement on his life even though the only thing they argued about was Faith (Buffy's former friend & patrol buddy turned abuser who was the only other person of Buffy's species).
But now all I can think is he seemed to forget (for most of AtS anyway) what they could've had more than she did. Angel is referenced in half of the BtVS s4-7 episodes and his name said over 5 dozen times. His presence & influence never leaves. She's there thinking she can't be with the man she loves because of fate while he's off rarely thinking of her and actively trying to date other mortal human-ish girls despite still being a cursed immortal vampire.
On AtS they wanted to make Angel & his show its own thing so kept trying to relegate Buffy to just the ex. Even in Hearthrob when we learn Angel's grief for Buffy was so intense he left the country for 3 months to meditate in a monastery in Sri Lanka, it was a Cangel episode. They used Angel's grief episode to further promote a future with Cordelia. It would be like if the BtVS writers were planning on Buffy falling for Xander in s3-4 so had Anne involve her wearing matching shirt colors with Xander, hugging Xander several times, only having a one-on-one talk with Xander, going after danger with Xander tagging along for safety, and the villain mistaking Xander for the man she loves while Xander says things like "I miss Angel too" "Don't say the A word" "We don't like to mention him".
Every time I see Cordelia in IWRY it makes me cringe because I know Angel is going to give up the love of his life only to try to date the only other girl in the episode.
Cordelia to Buffy: Maybe it's time you grew up and realized you can't have everything. You can't have Angel and save the world.
AtS didn't think that was an issue for any of Angel's other romantic or sexual interests. We were supposed to root for Cangel because they are both part of AI even though Angel & Buffy were going on patrols together, had many of the same demon powers, fought at the same level, & were part of the same save-the-world investigate-MOTW team.
What Buffy wanted wasn't normalcy, it was an end to trauma. She never gets a human life because she's not human, not completely. She spends half of s4 & half of s5 dating another monster fighter. What does Riley provide that Angel couldn't with the Gem of Amara she gave him? Sex? That wasn't a deterrent for Angel trying to date Cordelia or being ready to date Buffy any time she said the word post-Chosen. It was only in AtS 1-4 that Angel stayed away from Buffy because he thought he had nothing to offer her. Even though in that time he became a convertible driving hotel owning businessman who made thousands a month from MOTW cases. He had more to offer Buffy in that time frame than he did the entire time they were dating.
Yeah, Buffy tried to see what he did as for the best, because the only other option was to be bitter. In Living Conditions she is strongly ant-Kathy then when Kathy is gone she says "Other than trying to suck my soul out while I slept and trap me in a hell dimension she wasn't so bad as far as roommates go." In Grave even though she begged Giles not to leave months earlier when he comes back for a case and admits he shouldn't of left she says "You were right." In Touched even though she was crying over being kicked out of her own house and genuinely believed there was something at the vineyard & that Faith would lead them into a disaster (both happen that ep) she says "It's not like they were wrong." In The Yoko Factor even though Buffy says she went to LA to help Angel and Xander & Riley begin the episode by talking about how she went to LA to help Angel (Faith tried to murder him), she apologizes to Angel for passing judgement on his life even though the only thing they argued about was Faith (Buffy's former friend & patrol buddy turned abuser who was the only other person of Buffy's species).