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Discussion of 5.18 "Origin" - Aired 4/21/2004 (WB-US)


Mar 7, 2009
Angel resists the appeal of parents seeking help from Wolfram & Hart regarding their son's supernatural abilities after he discovers that the boy is his son, Connor. Despite his reservations, Angel is forced to bring Connor into conflict with an old adversary (Sahjahn) to prevent his son's memories from being restored. Meanwhile Wesley uncovers a mysterious deal struck by Wolfram & Hart that threatens the secret Angel desperately wants to protect.
Source: TV.com

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Bite Me
Jun 18, 2003
Black Thorn
Was it just me or did Spike's accent sound different? I loved the scene with him and Illyria. I'd missed the Fred/Spike interaction and watching this was a nice refreshing change. I laughed so much. I liked Connor being back. He's a nice character without all the angst. I loved the little Cordy reference.

I felt bad for Wes at first, but he should have respected Angel's choice about Connor. I thought that Angel fixing Connor's collar before the fight was similar to a parent making sure their child is smart on the first day of school. Then I really disliked him when he broke that memory box. I'd have sacked him on the spot.


Minuscule Redheaded One
Feb 8, 2011
Northern Minnesota
Ut-oh, Connor's back and the bubble is gonna get burst, sounds like. Which is annoying, because I don't much care for Connor and wouldn't mind him staying gone. But for Angel's sake...sigh. Alright.

-I hope they get Gunn out. :( Glad Wes is concerned about him, too.
-"You're still alive. Start acting like it." I feel as though Angel pot calling the kettle black on that one...
-Illyria is so...odd.
-"Hey, Dad." Connor showing up at W&H saying that?! Bet Angel almost stroked out right there. Eep!
-Harmony is in the credits! First time I noticed that.
-Way to be cool about the situation, Angel. Jeepers.
-Graphic explanation of the pile of hearts. Same day over and over.
-Illyria and Spike sparring? And Spike has a clipboard...hmm.
-"I've been hitting the half-breed. He makes noise." She looks so happy about that.
-"Keep in mind he can't get laid without possibly going crazy. It's funnier that way." "I'm being insolent." Spike. Heehee.
-Raging psychopathic son definitely describes Connor.
-Suburban Connor is remembering how to fight...
-Connor = healthy, well-adjusted kid with enhanced abilities
-Angel and Connor are actually having a conversation. Nice to see even if Connor has no idea who he is.
-Aaaand an angry interlude by Spike.
-"I'd like to keep Spike as my pet." Then Spike's look. Awesome.
-This place is way better than college! Hahahaha
-Aaaand now Wesley is suspicious. Not well-played, Angel, my dear.
-Angel always knows how to make an entrance.
-He built Connor?! 0_0
-Lorne and Wes are piecing things together. Love Illyria watching them work.
-Ahhh, this demon made the "new" Connor
-Sahjahn. Hate that guy. And Connor has to get him. Eep.
-What is liaison guy up to with Gunn??
-Couldn't Illyria fight Sahjahn? She wants to kill stuff.
-WEs found the contract. Yikes.
-Couldn't they just make that vase disappear somewhere??
-"Ah, you're him." "Hi. I'm me." This is amusing.
-I feel as though that spell box is going to get smashed by Angel. And it's probably all part of red demon's plan.
-Or Wes is going to....and he's going to regret it.
-Connor's got the crazy back in his eyes! But maybe he's still suburban Connor? Or is he faking it?
-Yeeeah, he betrayed Angel big time, Illyria.
-I dislike Wesley for thinking Angel would trade Fred's life to give his son a better one. Would never happen.
-Father-son moment. Connor is the old Connor, but ready to live a normal life. Sad to see how much Angel misses him, though. That last look between the two. Wow.


Jun 27, 2003
Wesley aggravated me in this episode. He should have trusted Angel and known that he would have never done anything to hurt Fred.

I loved when Illyria said she wanted to keep Spike as a pet. Her scene with him was quite amusing.


Jun 2, 2013
I just noticed that Mercedes McNab got a place on the intro. Not sure how long that's been going on, but I thought it was quite cool. :) (I just noticed someone said that too, so maybe it was the first time she was placed in the credits)
Spike's accent really does sound off here.
I'm not gonna be declaring Connor as my favourite character any time soon, but he's lovely when he's cheerful.
Did Angel really take Connor in to see Illyria?
"I guess I've always had a thing for older women" Ew, please, no more reminders of that!

Give Us A Kiss

Fuffy Apologist
Feb 4, 2015
Let's start the final 5 :)

Angel, get Gunn out, fast...

Illyria and Spike, should be interesting...

He's not ??? o_O

Wes remembers the prophecy ??? :eek:

Connor :eek:

Meanwhile in hell...

Ouch :eek:

"No touching my clipboard" :p

Wes has a point, Angel earned it...

Angel, things like this happen...

Connor seems sane :)

Angel :eek:

Connor, you are not a demon...

Connor has lots of questions...

Illyria :mad:

Spike as a pet, that would be interesting.

Connor has a thing for older women, I get that...:oops:

The circle of Black Thorn ??? nope...

He built Connor :eek:

Illyria, what do you mean when you say 'resting' ??? o_O

Vail is old and frail...

Don't take Connor's happy memories away from him :(

That's morbid...

Wes, don't figure it out...

Hamilton is absolutely right, Gunn wants to get out of here...or not...

Connor and Angel are getting some bonding time :)

He's loose :eek:

He looks like he could be in KISS if he just changed his clothes...

Connor doesn't know how to fight...:rolleyes:

Wes, he had his reasons...

Why ??? :(

Nice one :D

Connor's memories have not changed :D

Connor, all caring parents are worry warts...

Next time: Illyria the time traveler.
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