- Nov 20, 2001
- The City of Angels
Oh - For Goodness Sake! Here! I was going to make a very profound remark but you got lusty.I think it's wishful thinking (well it is for me ) that Spike was shirtless for most of season 6. I've just watched the first 8 eps and he's been fully clothed throughout. I think he's probably shirtless (or more/less) in only about 6 or 7 eps. Although JM might have hated every minute of it and that's fair enough.
Ok I'm back in the room I find the closed door scene erotic, the way Spike's hand moves . . . and that moment in Flooded when he throws down the burning cigarette at Buffy's feet, and she grinds it out . . . *sighOh - For Goodness Sake! Here! I was going to make a very profound remark but you got lusty.
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I was GOING to say that that perhaps this was erotic (below) and recuperated the (very mild) pornography of Season 6 and I'd found a nice quote from Audre Lorde “…pornography is a direct denial of the power of the erotic, for it represents the suppression of true feeling. Pornography emphasizes sensation without feeling. The erotic is a measure between the beginnings of our sense of self and the chaos of our strongest feelings. It is an internal sense of satisfaction to which, once we have experienced it, we know we can aspire. For having experienced the fullness of this depth of feeling and recognizing its power, in honor and self respect we can require no less of ourselves” but you spoiled the moment.
It (above) IS a very good chest isn't it? I DO find (below) erotic - but I find him catching a knife she's thrown erotic so what do I know?
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LOL...Pornographic was a bit harsh - I think I wrote "mildly titillating" in this stupid article I'm writing. I didn't think it was gratuitous but she did agree she'd used him and I think that included his body. She definitely objectified him - I'm presuming this was why she apologised by calling him William. She may have been depressed but I think she suppressed her feelings for other reasons. What I liked about the scene (amongst other things!) was he fact that he took back control - that it's the beginning of a sense of self beyond the identity he's had imposed on him (a sort of very elegant - and god it was elegant - fight back. I like the little scowl he gives her in the crypt when she describes vampires as "animals". Yet he reminds the Potential's he's a vampire. it's not the vampire that he's unhappy with it's the animal analogy? IMO, it's definitely to do with touching but also to do with "seeing" - when people say "I see" in the sense of "I know" they're usually wrong. What I'm not sure about is how well he "sees" when she's there (love is blind sort of thing). He "knows" much better with his nose. I noticed when he returned with Andrew from the Mission-Mission, he says - I see - when summarising the situation. The interesting thing in that scene is the body language betrays them - Dawn looks away, Willow is wringing her hands (and I've just realised that if she is she's touching herself - which isn't as rude as I've made it sound - and he hugs himself just before he hits Faith). The body is more truthful than language.Ok I'm back in the room I find the closed door scene erotic, the way Spike's hand moves . . . and that moment in Flooded when he throws down the burning cigarette at Buffy's feet, and she grinds it out . . . *sigh
I understand why some people say season 6 as pornographic, but I always felt there was true feeling between them and what we saw didn't seem gratuitous. Season 7 was about a different relationship and there was meaning in them not having sex, but they still held and touched and stroked each other, so maybe that was more erotic. I shall pay special attention during my re-watch at all the times they touch during the season (like I wasn't going to do that anyway )
They touch with their eyes. I was reading a book on touch (which was neither as boring or as rude as it sounds) and it talked about "touching with the eyes". There's a part I've only just noticed - it's in the bar. She says "down all the yak urine shots and pig's blood spritzers you want." and the potentials go "Yuk". She looks at him and smiles. He smiles back and looks away as if to say "I saw what you did there". It's brilliant! Just a fraction of a second but it looks as though they've known each other all their lives. In fact - it's the sort of look Willow and Xander would share.I shall pay special attention during my re-watch at all the times they touch during the season (like I wasn't going to do that anyway