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Discussion of 8.23 "Predators and Prey" - Released 4/03/09 (Dark Horse)

Tranquillity

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It's Buffy -- and Andrew -- on a mission in Italy . . . together! Awkward? Yes!

Since Harmony's television stunt, the ensuing of general vampire-love from the masses, and the destruction of the Scotland base, operations at Slayer headquarters have been somewhat strained. Rogue Slayers - -Simone and her gang -- have not been helping Slayer-civilian relations with their attacks against the military, bank robbing, and occasional snitching at Hot Topic. Now, Andrew has a lead on how to gain intel on Simone's plans . . . but he has to go to Italy -- now! With Xander and Willow busy holding together their Slayer legions Buffy seems to be the only one with an open schedule to act as Andrew's backup. Hours of travel . . . just Buffy and Andrew . . . Really?

written by Drew Z. Greenberg


Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season 8 #23: Predators and Prey (Variant Cover) :: Profile :: Dark Horse Comics

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It was awsome, I'd been waiting for a Buffy and Simone face off for a while now. And Andrew and Buffy dialogue was good. I enjoyed it so much.
 

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It good for the most part. The Buffy/Andrew pairing was interesting. But I think this would have been a lot more fun if it were Buffy/Faith against all the rouge slayers.
 
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Buffy/Faith karma! :D
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Yeah, the Chosen Two is a tag team that I definitely would like to see in action again.

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I was really enjoying the issue at the beginning, but the very end (Italy Squad etc.) kinda disappointed me, I would have liked a real ending to the Simone blahblah. It's the very first time I genuinely feel for Andrew, though, nicely done. I love Buffy too. But I'm beginning to seriously miss Willow, and Xander. Over all, it felt like a real 'Buffy' episode, what with the twist "Andrew created the demon", and all. A really good issue, way better than the two previous ones. Can't wait for next month !
 
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I agree with Five. I was a little disappointed by the ending. I was hoping/thinking the Simone-story would climax. The Buffy/Andrew banter was great though!
 

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Well, I'd say it was the best issue in a long time. Buffy was in it and Buffy was Buffy (her "voice" was 100% what it was in the series). I like Andrew, his "voice" was perfect too.

Like "Five" said, I'm also missing the legit Scooby Gang, I mean come on, 99% of the episodes feature Buffy, Xander, Willow and Giles together, now that dynamic is very scarce.

The plot was alright, I don't even have a problem with the resolution, I do have a problem with the rogue cell though. The rogue cell is retarded, and they shouldn't be since all Slayers default with some amount of tactical sense.

Taking over an island and declaring war on Earth's Superpowers is the worst possible strategy.

SIMONE: Hey General Voll, you guys suck, we declare war on you! And not just that, we took over an island, so we're isolated from the civilian population surrounded by water!

GENERAL VOLL: Great! No civilian causalities, more difficult escape (since they're surrounded by water), let's use some Weapons of Mass Destruction to annihilate them! Ready the jets!
 

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Like "Five" said, I'm also missing the legit Scooby Gang, I mean come on, 99% of the episodes feature Buffy, Xander, Willow and Giles together, now that dynamic is very scarce.
And will continue to be, I'm afraid. The story has moved past that phase now for the most part. Remember the "What'll we do tomorrow?" conversation in the hallway at Sunnydale High in "Chosen"? That was Joss (and us) saying goodbye to the good ol' Scooby Gang.

The plot was alright, I don't even have a problem with the resolution, I do have a problem with the rogue cell though. The rogue cell is retarded, and they shouldn't be since all Slayers default with some amount of tactical sense.
I didn't think tactical sense was part of the Slayer package. That's what Watchers used to provide, and what Buffy has been trying to provide with her organization. Left to her own devices, a Slayer's "tactical sense" is quite likely to resemble Soledad's, or Simone's.

Taking over an island and declaring war on Earth's Superpowers is the worst possible strategy.

SIMONE: Hey General Voll, you guys suck, we declare war on you! And not just that, we took over an island, so we're isolated from the civilian population surrounded by water!

GENERAL VOLL: Great! No civilian causalities, more difficult escape (since they're surrounded by water), let's use some Weapons of Mass Destruction to annihilate them! Ready the jets!
But the odd thing is... that hasn't happened, has it? A whole town taken over by force, its population booted out... and not a single police helicopter or military speedboat patrol to be seen.

You could suspect that Simone is working with Twilight, and Twilight is working with the Italian government, and this episode is being staged to underline the "Slayers are terrorists" message, but...

AndrewCrossett: In the story lately it seems like humanity in general is acting strangely. They've fallen in love with a species of monsters that are killing and feeding on them, and Simone's gang was able to take over a whole Italian town and force its population into exile, without any apparent response from the government, the military or law enforcement. Would I be completely off base in suspecting there's something more unnatural than just PR and the media influencing people's perceptions here? Or am I just over-thinking this stuff?

Scott Allie: There may be demons involved. Magic as well, in some cases ...
 

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Yea, this one managed to make the whole slayers in the open storyline a little easier to stomach. But im still not on board with it. There were some definate plot holes introduced in the issue...i just they take us to at least some decent conclusion earlier rather than later
 

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I really enjoyed this issuse - Andrew's banter was priceless plus i loved the reminder that he is on 'team Spike'. And the fact that Spike was finally mentioned by someone! But why, on the final page does Andrew have a 'Dr. No' (Sean Connery Bond) poster on his wall? He was always a Timothy Dalton boy.
I didn't mind that Simone's story remains unresolved. Buffy's problems are not easy-fixes, it's understandable that she'll have to regroup and strategise
 

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It was a really great issue. And with Andrew in it, yay. I loved the ending especially, Andrew part of the family, how cute. And I like seeing the slayers playing against each other. The only thing was that spider demon, Ack, it was scary.
 

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just read it, am i the only one getting bored of these issues that have nothing to do with the overall arc? I mean, what did we learn about Twilight in this issue? Sweet F A
 
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Yea, this one managed to make the whole slayers in the open storyline a little easier to stomach. But im still not on board with it. There were some definate plot holes introduced in the issue...i just they take us to at least some decent conclusion earlier rather than later
Having the "Dr No" poster would probably be like having "X Men" #1 even though your favorite character is Wolverine. The poster was most likely a collectible, original and autographed. Besides, we're talking SEAN CONNERY here. You gotta get your priorities straight.

And while we're on the James Bond subject here, hasn't it been established that the Season 8 timeline is actually before "Casino Royale?" Or did I just dream that.
 

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I really enjoyed this issue, it's without a doubt my favourite out of this arc so far. :)

I'm glad they gave us a break from the morally dubious Buffy they've been spoon-feeding us of late. It's important to show a blend of the good and the bad to make the storyline work and in this episode we got to see a more loveable side to the Buffster.

I thought Andrew had some really necessary growth and it was good to see the writer's develop him. He's really grown as a person and I really respected him wanting to clean up after what he believed were his messes. That shows responsibility and an understanding that his actions do have consequences, proving that he has indeed grown since 'Storyteller' despite what some fans may like to believe.

Like a lot of others I was expecting this issue to end the Simone storyline but it didn't bother me that it's left somewhat unresolved. "Another time, another place." I really enjoyed the dichotomy present between Buffy/Simone with the "It's who I am" declarations. Both slayers have robbed banks but it doesn't automatically make them one in the same, Buffy's still nowhere near as compromised as what Simone has become.

I wasn't expecting Simone to like or respect Buffy but after reading this issue I know I should have. It makes complete sense that somebody like Simone would respect Buffy's ability to have all this power at her disposal, so that made for a really interesting dynamic.

A part of Buffy's arc this season has been this growing elitist attitude and segregation she has towards the rest of the world opposed to her slayers. In "˜Time of Your Life' she actually referred to them as another race entirely, which is all kinds of worrisome given how it's in direct opposition to her far more healthier mantra, "I shop, I sneeze, I'm going to be a fireman when the floods roll back. There's trees in the desert since you've moved out and I don't sleep on a bed of bones. Now give me back my friends!" In "˜Restless' she opposed the idea that she wasn't human, this season she's starting to act a lot more like the First Slayer which can't be good for her when there were clear parallels between Adam/the First slayer, "absolute destruction." This issue had Buffy connect with an ordinary little girl and that was fantastic in pointing Buffy in the right direction. She got to witness first hand the other side of the coin and how ordinary people can be victims of the slayers. I liked seeing Buffy connect with normal people again, so that was a brilliant touch.

I also really enjoyed the small insight into how Buffy views the changes in her life. There's been a hint of resentment from Buffy from way back in "˜The Long Way Home' that she dislikes how her life has been changed, "the thing about changing the world, once you do, the world's all different" and in this issue it's practically spilled out on the table. "Everything's changed it isn't fair" "I know, it isn't fair." It's not a coincidence Buffy says over a setting sun, which seems to be pretty symbolic for season eight with a bad guy called Twilight raving about the "coming dawn" and the opening image of the sunlight going across the earth in the season opener.

The final scene of this issue with also a favourite of mine, Buffy was incredibly sweet in calling Andrew her family and I really felt for Andrew in regards to how happy he was to hear this. Buffy was truly fantastic.

*LOVED* this issue.
 
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i liked this issue very much. mainly because it has the "buffy/joss whedon" feel to it that the past few issues have not. i could very much see sarah and alison and nick reading the lines in this issue. 10/10.
 

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I just got this issue (on the joys of TFAW). I have to agree that it was the best issue in a long while. The voices were point perfect and it flowed brilliantly. Having read everyones' thoughts on the ending I thought I was going to hate it but it was actually the opposite. My reasons are two-fold:

1. Buffy listened to what that the Italy Squad had to say re:taking Simone and her gang down. I think that says slot for where Buffy is right now. I was impressed.

2. The story still needs Simone, she is to season 8 what Faith was to season 3. She shows Buffy what she could be if she allowed herself to slip. Also, Buffy can see that she isn't a monster, that there are fundamental differences between she and Simone (despite what the media say). That is really important for Buffy because without it she may lose belief in the fight.

All in all, a great issue.
 

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I just got this issue (on the joys of TFAW).
All in all, a great issue.
Yeah, ain't they great? They deliver late and charge for it.

It was a great issue. Especially Andrew's comment about "trading up" to Spike from that other vampire. (No, not the Spuffy part. Well, that too, but the part about trading last year's model in on the newer one.) I wonder if he didn't mention Satsu because "the word" had been put out that she was a subject not open for discussion. Knowing Andrew, that's something that I'm sure he has a very definite opinion about. An opinion, I might add, that he is more than eager to share with anyone with functional ears.

And as for Simone, I'm still hoping to see her tangle with Faith. What would REALLY be great would be for Simone and her girls to kidnap Buffy and Faith be the one to rescue her.
 

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I wonder if he didn't mention Satsu because "the word" had been put out that she was a subject not open for discussion. Knowing Andrew, that's something that I'm sure he has a very definite opinion about. An opinion, I might add, that he is more than eager to share with anyone with functional ears.
Don't know about that... sex doesn't seem to be a topic he has any interest in, or be too comfortable talking about. He doesn't get excited about relationships... he gets excited about "pairings" in the fandom sense. And since he knows Buffy and Satsu aren't a couple, it doesn't really interest him.
 

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Don't know about that... sex doesn't seem to be a topic he has any interest in, or be too comfortable talking about. He doesn't get excited about relationships... he gets excited about "pairings" in the fandom sense. And since he knows Buffy and Satsu aren't a couple, it doesn't really interest him.
He seemed pretty interested in couples in "Storyteller", at least Willow/Kennedy and Xander/Anya, and of course his commentary on that imaginary (wasn't it?) sequence between Buffy and Spike, and quite willing to offer his opinion on each. I can't see Buffy and Satsu being off limits unless someone told him that they were. (Now I know I'm gonna get dismembered for this, but...) And, except for the gender question, Satsu just might be the most sensible partner Buffy has ever had. They're both super powerful, both in the same line of business, so to speak, and, as for that girl/girl thing, remember what Willow said in "Him?" It could be gotten around.
 

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He seemed pretty interested in couples in "Storyteller", at least Willow/Kennedy and Xander/Anya, and of course his commentary on that imaginary (wasn't it?) sequence between Buffy and Spike, and quite willing to offer his opinion on each. I can't see Buffy and Satsu being off limits unless someone told him that they were. (Now I know I'm gonna get dismembered for this, but...) And, except for the gender question, Satsu just might be the most sensible partner Buffy has ever had. They're both super powerful, both in the same line of business, so to speak, and, as for that girl/girl thing, remember what Willow said in "Him?" It could be gotten around.
Well, you're sure not gonna get dismembered by me for saying that. :)

Wasn't "Storyteller" the episode where Andrew was filming Buffy's front window and commenting on Xander's excellent carpentry work, totally ignoring the fact that Willow and Kennedy were making out steamily on the sofa just beneath said window?

And there's the scene in the comic where he's standing there completely bored while half-dressed Slayers are lounging all around him, playing strip poker, etc.

And his immediate loss of interest in the Daniel Craig topic when Buffy tried to steer it into the question of sexual attractiveness.

Andrew approaches life as if it were a cool TV show. He sees Buffy/Angel vs. Buffy/Spike in the same light that a Battlestar Galactica fan might see Kara/Sam vs. Kara/Lee.
 
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I agree. That's a good way to put it, I think.

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I read the issue yesterday and really enjoyed it! Did anyone notice that the picture on Nisha's shirt is the cover of Bowie's album "Aladdin sane"?

Is there a hidden message behind it....? :angel:
 
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