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Discussion of Angel & Faith 9.06 "Daddy Issues part 1"-Released 01/25/12 (Dark Horse)

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Here's the summary.

The issue begins with Angel in Highgate Cemetery. Douglas Adams is buried there and Angel has come to pay his respects. He had found :The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" in a dumpster back in the 80's which had helped him from committing suicide back then. But something else was there as well, Angel can smell the blood, but unfortunately it's gone now. And the blood trail leads him to an area called Holly Lodge Estate where elderly people live in public housing.

A policeman stops Angel wanting to know what he wants there and Angel says he wants to visit a friend. They go inside together while the policeman informs Angel that nothing usually happens or has happened lately, but as they open the door of an apartment the stench is unbearable. So they find a man who has killed at least 3 elderly people, standing on top of them saying that they had the disease but now he has cut it out. And then he tries to help Angel and the policeman too by trying to kill them. Angel fights back and knocks him unconscious. The policeman impressed by his fighting skills then tells him to step back since it's a murder scene and asks him if he knows any of the dead. But Angel says no because he doesn't think the one he's looking for has been there for a while.

So then we go back to a flashback from the 70s. Again in the Highgate Cemetery. Young Giles together with 4 other young people, all wannabe watchers, are training. They seem eager to complete the task and kill a vampire and Giles is the only one that wants to be careful about it. Only a girl seems to agree with Giles and his tactics, but before they finish talking on how they should look for the vampire and how to kill it, the vampire appears in front of them. But Giles realizes there is something wrong with that vampire and before he has the time to talk to the others, one of the boys named Philip attacks the vampire. But it's not a vampire, nor a man, and Giles' instincts were right. It's a Lorophage demon, much much stronger than vampires, which uses its proboscis and needle-like fingers to draw any sustenance from the minds of his victims. It's a fatal process. Basically the creature feeds on its victims traumatic experiences. And those wannabe young watchers have plenty of those. Traumatic experiences from being locked up in rooms with starving vampires or from peering into hell dimensions as part of their training. And the demon kills all the young watchers one by one, reaching up to Giles at the end. And Giles feels the process, he starts remembering all his traumatic experiences including the very last one which was watching just some seconds ago one of the young watchers, a girl, getting killed by the demon, a girl that he had never found the courage to ask her out. And now Giles is gonna die, first go utterly mad and then die. But just before his end, 2 older watchers come and attack the demon and save Giles' life. They've been watching the young ones by distance evaluating them, only a few seconds behind them, which were enough for the demon to slaughter the young ones. One of them is Giles' father and even they are no match for the demon. But the demon had already fed itself and it was sated so it run away from them. And that was the day that Giles' innocence was perished.

Next we find out that Giles' relationship with his father was very tense only to be made even worse by the events of that night. Giles blames his father and calls him a murderer, telling him that he had sent them to their death. His father says that it was a tragic event that the Council's intelligence was faulty about. Giles tells him that they weren't ready for it but his father replies that nobody is ever really ready for that job and that the specter of death is part of the life that they were chosen for. And we find out that Giles basically never really chose to become a watcher, that life was chosen for him at the age of 10 when he was asked to start studying horror and death together with latin and geometry. But the father insists, the supernatural road is their heritage, their destiny and they must serve it. But young Giles has already made up his mind and he decides to run away from all of that and follow his own path. But unfortunately he was hardly done with magic and death, but those events will be recount in due course.

The issue continues with Faith. She's in downtown London together with 2 other slayers who are fighting a vampire while Faith takes care of a girl that has been biten by the vampire. She'll be alright, the bite wasn't deep. At the meantime Nadira is ready to dust the vampire, but right before, Faith grabs her hand and stops her telling her to take a better look. He is not a vampire, but he is human, and Nadira almost killed him. The man says that we wanted to be sired and he asked for it, but since this is against the rules she didn't sired him so he decided to sire himself (LOL!) and took a bite on her. Faith tells the girls to call the police and an ambulance. Nadira feels so guilty that she had almost become a murderer, only to feel even worst by saying that in front of Faith who has already been there, done that. But Faith knows that the only reason that she saw that coming tonight and that she was able to stop Nadira, is actually because she has been on this road herself and she had done the same mistake. But Buffy didn't stop her in time. But Faith has dealt with it and payed for it and now she has used her past mistakes to actually save a life.

So Faith changes the conversation asking the girls if they know who is "she" that didn't agree to sire the guy because it's against the rules. Nadira days that probably is the "Mother Superior" and when she rejected to sire him that drove him over the edge and suggests to go after her. But the third slayer says that the Mother Superior hasn't broken any of Harmony's rules. Nadira replies that they are vampire slayers and that's what they do, kill vampires, and asks if it's illegal to kill a vampire that follows the rules. And we then learn from Faith that it is still a gray area, but killing a vampire that follows the rules will only result in starting a war. What they need is a reason to kill her and since most vampires come with skeletons in their closets, Faith now is on to that.

Next we find Angel and Faith training on the rooftop of Giles' residence. Faith tells him about Mother Superior while they train. Angel has heard of her, she attracts goth crowd like flies but she obeys the rules. Faith adds that she stays out of sight and she doesn't use her real name. Angel tells her that many vampires pick a different name when they get turned, it's a kind of tradition in some bloodlines and he doesn't seem eager to deal with it. But Faith draws his attention when she mentions that she thinks that Mother Superior is up to something since she has already run into 2 different nut jobs that tie to her. Not totally crazy people, more like too much drunk people who don't give a damn about anything, not even their lives or the lives of other people. And Angel has met one of them as well. Faith surprised tells him that she thought that his only mission was to bring back Giles. But Angel adds that it's kind of related, the last entry in Giles' diary that was talking about the Lorophage demon, he checked it with the watchers' files and found out that the demon has hibernation cycles. They sleep for decades and then wake up to feed themselves when "the stars of the old ones who birthed them align" which means now.

They go together to Alasdair telling him about the Lorophage demon. He says that this kind of demon is possible to cause an epidemic of madness but unlikely at the same time. There were cases that the victims went completely mad from all the traumatic experiences that were forced to surface but very rarely and only when the attack has been interrupted. The Lorophage demons prefer to drain every drop of their victims' brains and by that they kill them. Faith disagrees bringing Giles as an example, who has survived a Lorophage demon's attack and didn't die nor went mad. But Alasdair adds that Faith has no idea of his days as a Ripper and what he did and how he used magic. Faith still disagrees saying that being young and stupid doesn't make one crazy. Before things go worst between them Angel interferes wondering why the demon leaves the victims alive. Faith's theory is that the demon is being controlled but Alasdair says that Lorophage demons are resistant to magic. So Faith corrects her theory saying that maybe the demon is hypnotized by someone....by a vampire, as Angel adds. And Alasdair tells them that if the theory is correct, that means that this is a serious threat and they must put aside whatever else they are working on and focus on that. Faith kind of angry tells him they got it and they leave the house.

When outside, Angel asks her why she behaved like that, since they went to him to ask for his help. But Faith just thinks that he talks too much like every old guy. She has asked the girls to check a little bit and Daphine texted her that the newest residents of Arkham Asylum, people who had lived through very traumatic experiences and would be the perfect meal for a Lorophage demon, have all gone mad and gotten obsessed with Mother Superior. But what Angel doesn't understand is what does a vampire gain from making people crazy. And there is only one way to find out. Daphine informed Faith that Mother Superior lives in a deconsecrated church that was turned into a nightclub . And they decide to go and find her to end all this.

They attack going inside the church, asking the crowd, human groupies and minor vampires to take them to Mother Superior. But the crowd attacks and the fight starts. But Angel doesn't have the patience for that, and most of all, he hated churches since they bring back to him very bad memories. Nuns used to be his specialty, torturing them, killing them, and he had a vivid imagination. One could say that that was Angelus, but Angel remembers everything and Angel knows what Angel did and how good that made him feel. And some of his worst memories are from his time in London. So, wanting to end all this fighting, he knocks on a door trying to find Mother Superior, telling her that "it's time for confession, you go first, Mother Superior, it starts by "Bless me..." But before he finishes he sees Drusilla inside the room sitting on a throne, being worshiped by her minions telling him that she knows what comes next. After "bless me" it comes "Father...isn't that right?"

Meanwhile somewhere in a pub, a man approaches Nadira and another slayer who have a drink. He knows they are slayers and he is looking for Faith. Nadira tells him that they have never heard of her, but even if they had, why should they tell him? And the man replies that he has the best reason in the world, because he is her daddy.

Angel thinks that there is something not usual with Drusilla. She tells them she became somewhat nostalgic, a girl that almost became a nun so she decided to set her shop in a church. And the more things they change the more they stay the same. And Angel understands what is not right with Drusilla. She is sane!

End of issue 6.
 

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What an incredible issue, we get both a back story on Giles and Drusilla. Drusilla going sane is an interesting twist, I am interested to see where this goes, I can't wait for the next issue
 
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Initial thoughts:

-Love that Angel's in Highgate Cemetary.
-The crazy guy with the saw, ooh that's gross.
-The Giles flashback is amazing! So when he storms out on his father, that begins his time as Ripper? I never can get that chronology straight.
-The Lorophage Demon is awesome in a really sick way lol!
-What a great job with the callback to Faith killing the deputy mayor. (& Rebekah gets to draw Buffy, yay!).
-Angel & Faith training scene= hot.
-I like Alasdair. I want more of a role for him. More fairies, hmmm....
-The whole church scene is so great.
-I'm not all that impressed with the Faith's father storyline. But it's just beginning, might turn out well.
-On the last page, the Lorophage is wearing a hoodie, bwahaha.
-Drusilla is sane?! WTF?!

Lots of references to father/daddy (Giles' father, Faith's father, Angel being Dru's "daddy", Angel &Dru quoting the rite of confession: "Bless me Father, for I have sinned"), older/elderly people (dead seniors at the beginning, Faith calling Alasdair "old man"); and parental figures (Watchers).

I really love where this is going. Can't wait to see what happens!
 

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Ok, I feel guilty saying this but I'm glad Darkhorse/Joss took Angel back from IDW. I do miss that IDW published so many books, because even though they were hit and miss, there was a lot of decent stuff to read(unless I'm wrong and they did generally release two books a month, like Darkhorse is now doing). But the quality of Angel & Faith is great. I think, even though I don't like Faith very much and am both bored and angry with Angel, I like A&F better than the Buffy series, even though it has so many great characters.

That could change. Could be a "This time Buffy had a better arc, but A&F could end up on top the next time"-thing. Specially considering Buffy's pregnancy and you-know-what. But right now I am really excited to see what this Drusilla/madness thing is. And, of course, more of Faith's dad, who has been implied in No Future For You, is a bad father.

My guess is, Drusilla is somehow using the madness-demon, her power or hypnosis over the fangbangers to make herself sane. But I'm guessing she's still evil. Kind of a no brainer, since she might have enslaved everyone in the club. And is still a vampire, sanity or no sanity. Her and Angel's interaction could get intense.

And Faith's father probably want to make amends. Can't wait to see. Almsot beats my need to see how Spike reacts to the news that Buffy's pregnant.
 

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I really enjoyed this issue.

My thoughts:

Giles-

I loved getting to see more of Giles' back story. It's great to get to see what events lead to Ripper. It also adds a whole new layer of pain that Jenny's death would have brought up. Reminding him of demons taking the girl he cares for...

Faith -

Can't wait to see how things work out with her father. I hope we get to see some back story of her family life.

Loved seeing Faith have a Buffy flashback.

Drusilla -

I can't wait to see more of sane Dru and what exactly lead to this. I bet sane Dru will be more lethal than insane Dru.

Angel -

I wonder why he didn't know Mother Superior was Dru earlier.

Also, do we know if Connor will be making an appearance anytime during this arc?
 
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Giles again! I'm so loving this series, much better than Buffy season 9. I haven't read this yet but can't wait.
 

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Ok, I feel guilty saying this but I'm glad Darkhorse/Joss took Angel back from IDW. I do miss that IDW published so many books, because even though they were hit and miss, there was a lot of decent stuff to read(unless I'm wrong and they did generally release two books a month, like Darkhorse is now doing). But the quality of Angel & Faith is great. I think, even though I don't like Faith very much and am both bored and angry with Angel, I like A&F better than the Buffy series, even though it has so many great characters.
I do agree with you that the quality has been really great. I love how dark and moody the artwork is. IDW did have some really good books though, and I am still missing the rest of Angel's gang.

My guess is, Drusilla is somehow using the madness-demon, her power or hypnosis over the fangbangers to make herself sane. But I'm guessing she's still evil. Kind of a no brainer, since she might have enslaved everyone in the club. And is still a vampire, sanity or no sanity. Her and Angel's interaction could get intense.
Or some sort of side-effect from the destruction of the Seed. And I think she's still evil too. Although I haven't got a chance yet to read the last IDW Spike series and I know that Dru makes an appearance but I don't know more than that. (Don't tell me! :))
 

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I have yet to read the issue, but I read the synopsis and the previews on the website. That one guy in the flashback, Giles calls him Phillip. I got confused because in the story, that kid Phillip dies. But one of Giles' Ripper buddies was named Phillip Henry. He was the one that Eyghon/Deirdre killed at the beginning of The Dark Age. They must just be using the name Phillip twice.

I am very excited to see more of Giles' past!
 

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I have yet to read the issue, but I read the synopsis and the previews on the website. That one guy in the flashback, Giles calls him Phillip. I got confused because in the story, that kid Phillip dies. But one of Giles' Ripper buddies was named Phillip Henry. He was the one that Eyghon/Deirdre killed at the beginning of The Dark Age. They must just be using the name Phillip twice.

I am very excited to see more of Giles' past!

Yes Abby, I was getting confused to. What was the Watcher's name in season 7? The one killed by the Bringers in England? For some reason I thought his name was Phillip too, but probably not.
 

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I am very excited to see more of Giles' past!

Me too. Giles should have his own mini series but I think I read somewhere they don't have any plans for a Giles/Ripper spin-off comic.
 

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I am still missing the rest of Angel's gang.


See, this is the major problem with entire DH A&F run for me. Ressing Ripper series is a great idea - but Angel's been torn out of LA and thrown into London just because they want to utilize some of Joss' old plots for Giles does not work well for me, despite the art getting generally better and CG's being great Angel's fan. Angel still feels like a different character with different objective ( that I do not fully comprehend ) to me - which is funny - I even liked old IWD flashbacks to pre-shows history better then this ( re: the earthquake in SF story or WWII stories ). Faith being there does not help either - because she acts as if she is almost London native. While I get it that a vampire might be cosmopolitan by virtue of what he is ( and CG is getting this vibe through properly - especially now with Drusilla visiting) Faith's extra comfortableness with her new situation is unnatural. I would not want these series to have more than one season - and the sales confirm that much of Angel's fandom feels the same way. A licensed comic cannot be successful if it rips apart the original story's basics.
 

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See, this is the major problem with entire DH A&F run for me. Ressing Ripper series is a great idea - but Angel's been torn out of LA and thrown into London just because they want to utilize some of Joss' old plots for Giles does not work well for me, despite the art getting generally better and CG's being great Angel's fan. Angel still feels like a different character with different objective ( that I do not fully comprehend ) to me - which is funny - I even liked old IWD flashbacks to pre-shows history better then this ( re: the earthquake in SF story or WWII stories ).

I think it works for the character. He had a major upheaval in his life and is starting over, away from the people he has let down over-and-over again.

Faith being there does not help either - because she acts as if she is almost London native. While I get it that a vampire might be cosmopolitan by virtue of what he is ( and CG is getting this vibe through properly - especially now with Drusilla visiting) Faith's extra comfortableness with her new situation is unnatural.

One must remember that first, Giles trained Faith in being British. It was a crash course, but it worked. Second, Faith is a mobile creature. She set up shop in Sunnydale and made herself at home. Three, there's nothing to say she hadn't been staying in London off an on before A&F. Fourth, she's been living in London awhile. She didn't just plop there in issue #1, she's been there are least since 8.40. She's had time to familiarise herself, which is easy for a creature as chameleon as Faith. Besides, she's grown immensely as a person. She's a title character, now, instead of second fiddle. I think it fits.

I would not want these series to have more than one season - and the sales confirm that much of Angel's fandom feels the same way. A licensed comic cannot be successful if it rips apart the original story's basics.

Can you actually support this theory with facts, re: sales? A&F has maintained (as of the December figures) 80,4 per cent of their original sales figures, whereas Bs9 has only maintained around 72,5 per cent.

Personally, I'm loving series 9 and A&F, with a lean toward A&F. I love the art, I love the plot and I love Faith as a title character. I don't think the original story basics have been damaged, just rearranged and reinterpreted. I think that putting Angel with Faith was a smart move and I love the dynamic between the characters. They're best friends. They have one another's back. It's nice to see both of them in a partnership, as opposed to Angel being the leader and/or Faith the pariah.

In this issue, especially, I loved the conversations between them. I loved the reveals at the end, I loved that Faith is working to be mentor instead of wallowing. I love the whole package.

This series may do the improbable: it may make me like Angel.
 
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The comic book store opens in an hour, can't wait! :)

I am really enjoying A&F so far! Angel has been to so many places since he was sired, and his only real ambition when he was alive was to see the world, I think it makes total sense for him to go to London. He killed Giles, decides to bring him back, and the only person who would speak with him was Faith who was staying in Giles' flat; it seems logical that Angel and Faith would set up shop in London.
 

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I have to clarify myself Re : A&F. I like the series marginally - mostly because of Giles -Angel subplot and how it is developing. I am indifferent to Faith this season ( although I normally sympathize with her) because all her arcs are so far derivative ( bonding with another Slayer while keeping her 'dark secret', striving to be a 'good girl' while having doubts, etc) are not enough for the titular character. I am very disappointed in Whistler being made a cartoonish evil dude ( but Allie answer to my question about his made me hopeful). And I love communicating with Christos Gage and getting his replies to my fangirlish emails. The guy is awesome - and he is from Boston. :) Still, I am hoping Angel is out of London by season's end - he needs to be with Connor and Co. 'Starting new' is beating the dead horse with Angel as a character - and I don't think that Watcher Diaries premise would hold as a source of new quests after Angel- Giles - destiny - Whistler story is done. Unless Willow will be moved to this story side permanently. Which I don't expect to see happening.

[MENTION=11702]Leeson[/MENTION] Sales of AtF were ~50-40K. A&F only gets about 18K. This is a significant drop mostly due to DH missing the fact that many of the Angel series fans are not much into Buffy and characters like Giles and Faith are not interesting for them. Joss basically wanted A&F to be a book that would fit into BtVS S9 story as a part of it - but many were so used to AtF own cast that it is hard for them to accept Buffy cast in Angel's series.
 
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[MENTION=11702]Leeson[/MENTION] Sales of AtF were ~50-40K. A&F only gets about 18K. This is a significant drop mostly due to DH missing the fact that many of the Angel series fans are not much into Buffy and characters like Giles and Faith are not interesting for them. Joss basically wanted A&F to be a book that would fit into BtVS S9 story as a part of it - but many were so used to AtF own cast that it is hard for them to accept Buffy cast in Angel's series.

Actually, AtF never reached 50k after issue #6 or 40k after issue #13. They steadily declined, with #43 only selling 27 per cent of what #1 did.

I like not to think of it as "Buffy cast in Angel series" so much as an expansion of all concepts. I also feel that Faith fitted so well as an Angel character, but never as a Buffy character. I think the pairing works very well, and I think it was a creatively smart decision.

This issue, in particular, I feel like is picking up a great beat and rhythm between the characters. I loved the return of Drusilla (thank you, Juliet Landau, for never letting them kill you). I cant wait to see where it's all going because everything is just working so smoothly.
 

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Actually, AtF never reached 50k after issue #6 or 40k after issue #13. They steadily declined, with #43 only selling 27 per cent of what #1 did.

And your point is? A&F started at about 20K. Which is less than 50% of AtF starting sales.

I like not to think of it as "Buffy cast in Angel series" so much as an expansion of all concepts.

The 2 books were designed to run together as 2 sides of Season 9. Now, that was Dh intent - how the audience took it is entirely different story. For example, I got it from my emails with SA that the title was suggested as 'symbolic' by Joss himself. The AtS fandom took it as personal offense. Not me , mind it.

I also feel that Faith fitted so well as an Angel character, but never as a Buffy character.

Well, then you are on a very different wavelength from Mr. Big W. In most of his interviews about Faith he rambles how Faith was the only other character that got Buffy at where it mattered, and how these two (B/F) have the greatest ever dynamics.


I think the pairing works very well, and I think it was a creatively smart decision.

I don't. I think that the only reason Faith is in London is to serve as a plot device for passing Giles' legacy on Angel. Other than that she is about as important in the series as tits on a boar/ fifth wheel in a cart - since she is completely subservient to Angel-Giles main plot line. But yeah , she is very pretty this season and male readership likes long legged chicks who kick ass.

This issue, in particular, I feel like is picking up a great beat and rhythm between the characters. I loved the return of Drusilla (thank you, Juliet Landau, for never letting them kill you). I cant wait to see where it's all going because everything is just working so smoothly.

Well, we know where this is going from all the previews and cover , spoilers for the next few issues of both books : Dru sics her brain and trauma sucking demon on Faith - demon attacks Faith and her trauma once again is brought to the surface ( thanks to Papa-Faith present we will have some melodrama flash-backs to F's past), Faith goes psychotic for a while and attacks the Slayers in her group, then recovers and goes after Drusilla. Dru almost kills her - Kendra style - Angel flies to the rescue and manages to save Faith in the last possible moment - Drusilla escapes and relocates to SF.
 

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Just got the issue and gotta say, I loved it! This series is consistently good (maybe with the exception of the last issue) and it is chalk full of interesting twists and backstory. Definitely not disappointed!

-Love that Angel's in Highgate Cemetary.
-The crazy guy with the saw, ooh that's gross.
-The Giles flashback is amazing! So when he storms out on his father, that begins his time as Ripper? I never can get that chronology straight.
-The Lorophage Demon is awesome in a really sick way lol!
-What a great job with the callback to Faith killing the deputy mayor. (& Rebekah gets to draw Buffy, yay!).
-Angel & Faith training scene= hot.
-I like Alasdair. I want more of a role for him. More fairies, hmmm....
-The whole church scene is so great.
-I'm not all that impressed with the Faith's father storyline. But it's just beginning, might turn out well.
-On the last page, the Lorophage is wearing a hoodie, bwahaha.
-Drusilla is sane?! WTF?!

I agree with what you said! :) It's good to see some canonical information on Giles' dad. We don't get much on it, but it's always assumed it was pretty astranged, and it looks like that that was correct. Very excited for getting to see how Giles was as Ripper, and how he and Ethan were. Maybe they'll be some goodies in there for G/E fans! I also hope they show exactly how Randall was killed at the time. Was it Eyghon who actually took him or did Giles actually kill him while trying to help him get the demon out of his body?

As for this for the event setting Giles off to be Ripper, that doesn't mesh with the timeline as it stands. According the Buffy wiki, Giles was born in 1954, which means in 1972, he would have been 18, and whole Eyghon thing is in 1975 which would have put Giles at 21. Yet, in Band Candy, when we were supposed to be seeing Giles at 16, he was "Bad-Magic-Hates-the-World-Ticking-Time-Bomb Guy." It could be the he had 2 rebellious phases, but more likely they are just altering the timeline.

I think this is gonna be a great arc. Very interested to see what Faith's dad wants with her and how exactly he tracked her down.

I do have a question though. Ok, so Joss said one of the reasons he had Angel killed Giles was because Giles as the "Exposition Guy" didn't work in the comic medium. Yet, now we have Alasdair doing the exact same thing. Doesn't make much sense to me.
 
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And your point is? A&F started at about 20K. Which is less than 50% of AtF starting sales.

It isn't a point, it's a counter to a point. AtF ended at a grand total of 12.9K, which means A&F picked up 7.1k in the readership department. AtF did really well for the first 6 or 7 issues and then began to drop precipitously. A&F is holding on to it's readership well enough for the time being.

Also: "And your point is?" is kind of a rude phrasing. It's like saying "SO WHAT? Your words don't matter." I actually have numbers and statistics I'm referencing.

The 2 books were designed to run together as 2 sides of Season 9. Now, that was Dh intent - how the audience took it is entirely different story. For example, I got it from my emails with SA that the title was suggested as 'symbolic' by Joss himself. The AtS fandom took it as personal offense. Not me , mind it.

Yes, but that doesn't mean it's "Angel with Buffy cast". It's Angel & Faith - that's the point. Returning characters are tying things together with s9 (Harmony, for example) or are part of Angel's personal story (Dru). I think people are judging too harshly, too quickly.

Well, then you are on a very different wavelength from Mr. Big W. In most of his interviews about Faith he rambles how Faith was the only other character that got Buffy at where it mattered, and how these two (B/F) have the greatest ever dynamics.

No. I loved the Buffy/Faith dynamic, it was one of the best in the canon. However, I thought she worked better on Angel, where characters tended to be more complicated and darker, with more complex motivations. Further, she didn't fit comfortably with the Buffy cast, but on Angel she came full circle and everything was pretty comfortable when she parted. I wish she had been a regular.

Well, we know where this is going from all the previews and cover , spoilers for the next few issues of both books

Yeah, not 'we', you. Please use spoiler tags next time? :)

As for this for the event setting Giles off to be Ripper, that doesn't mesh with the timeline as it stands. According the Buffy wiki, Giles was born in 1954, which means in 1972, he would have been 18, and whole Eyghon thing is in 1975 which would have put Giles at 21. Yet, in Band Candy, when we were supposed to be seeing Giles at 16, he was "Bad-Magic-Hates-the-World-Ticking-Time-Bomb Guy." It could be the he had 2 rebellious phases, but more likely they are just altering the timeline.

Where is the Wiki taking that date from, though? I don't recall seeing it anywhere. The timeline does seem a bit off, though. i feel like Giles is a bit younger than they claim.

I think this is gonna be a great arc. Very interested to see what Faith's dad wants with her and how exactly he tracked her down.

I do have a question though. Ok, so Joss said one of the reasons he had Angel killed Giles was because Giles as the "Exposition Guy" didn't work in the comic medium. Yet, now we have Alasdair doing the exact same thing. Doesn't make much sense to me.

It's looking so fun! I'm loving it, I'm actually getting more interested in A&F than S9!

As for Joss...he's Joss. He wanted an excuse to cause upheaval and tumult and the best way to do that is the murder of beloved established characters! :p
 
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It isn't a point, it's a counter to a point. AtF ended at a grand total of 12.9K

You are missing the point that AtF post 17 was officially not canon. Joss run ended at #17 ~ 30-35 K . Everything IDW produced after that was IDW witout Joss- of course it lost readership.

I wish she had been a regular.

Faith would have worked well in LA and with the rest of the cast - the way they reintroduced her IMHO, does not work that well.

Yeah, not 'we', you. Please use spoiler tags next time?

Well, sorry, I thought that if you go to the boards you kind of sort of want-expect spoilers? Will do next time.
 
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