I thought it was contrived that the only thing that saved her was going into Spike's mind previously. Now suddenly whenever Spike remembers the past Buffy is automatically in his mind for him to see? That felt forced to me.So yeah, remember that cliffhanger from the previous issue when Spike turned on Buffy? Yeah, what does Buffy do? She puts down her weapon.
Or kick him in the head and knock him out (Never Leave Me).Buffy, you have an ax, can't you just chop his legs off?!
That's true but this isn't just about Spike's insecurity - it's about a fundamental lack of trust. Spike and Buffy have a history, right? The way I see it what Buffy's been doing since Spike got his soul back is basically learning to trust him again. Season after season she puts more and more trust into Spike. In this season she finally trusts him enough to follow her heart or whatever. They're together again. More than that, in this issue she trusts him with her very life.Oh but Spikes always been insecure during the show and we saw that. He was just far better at hiding though imo.
I don't think Gage sees it that way, but yeah. They've been together in-story 2 days and in that space he's been nothing but a ball of freak-out. Seems like the crossover will be more about her following him around with an emotional bedpan and telling him he. is. awesome than anything else.\
Willow broke up with her coily inamorata because she could not trust her. Spike clearly doesn't trust Buffy - do the maths.
I think it's not a matter of trust, but of insecurity. Spike trusts her with his life, but is still terrified about having the love of his life by his side – and wake up the next morning with her gone; she hasn't even said the “L” word properly.And Spike? He doesn't trust her at all! It's - it's#$%^ed up, that's what it is!
It doesn't cheapen her any worse than she's been already.[it]cheapens Buffy in a most serious way.
If Spike is that concerned, then he shouldn't be with her. He didn't need to jump into whatever it is they are. It would make Buffy look crappy, but she's already crap, so we're back to why he's with her. If he's that insecure about every little thing, it's time to take a step back. Otherwise it's just a pre-emptive way to blame everything a character does on the other person. In Chosen, they weren't involved and she sent Angel away anyway. S8, he wasn't even in the picture during whatever the F that mess was supposed to be. It's his issue, not hers.Angel has dominated, bullied, and belittled Spike from the first moment that Dru brought "Willie" to meet the rest of the gang. Everything that Spike has ever had or wanted, Angel has taken away from him or been there when he lost it. Spike has seen from the first moment that he saw Buffy and Angel together how crazy Buffy is about Angel, how he has been the center of her very existence, the love who she compares everyone else to, whether she admits it or not. As close as he and Buffy had become in Season 7, he saw her fall all over Angel almost the second that he showed up. Certainly, he's apprehensive, even scared, about Angel coming back into the picture again. he's finally gotten something real with Buffy, something that he's dreamed about, and she's on the verge of actually committing to something more than just a physical relationship.
Now up pops Angel again.
Hell, yes, he's worried. He's scared right down to his boot soles, and he's justified in being so. As far as we've seen, Buffy hasn't made any real effort to reassure him. Should she have to? No, she really shouldn't, but that's not really the question. The question is, knowing how Spike feels about her, and knowing that he's certainly going to remember how things were between Buffy and Angel, absolutely, yes, Buffy SHOULD be making every effort, at every opportunity, to reassure Spike that she is his girl, now, and that, whatever she felt felt for Angel in the past is exactly that. In the past.
I sincerely hope that this crossover isn't just a cheap stunt to end Buffy and Spike, and not just because this is the ship that I support. I can accept it if they decide that they can't make it work, but for Buffy to leave Spike just because Angel comes along and the old flame flares up again cheapens Buffy in a most serious way.
The second cover suggests that could happen. Everyone focused on the Morris, but what you describe is depicted in the Isaacs one. I'm sure if that does happen, it'll be all her fault, though.It doesn't cheapen her any worse than she's been already.
You said you didnt want Buffy to leave Spike because of Angel.
How would you feel if Spike left Buffy?
Lets say Angel delivers info related to the Archaeus line, and as a result, both vampers break it off with Buffy; she is left heartbroken and pining for both of them.
If Spike left Buffy because he feels that, for some legitimate reason, they can't be together (like Angel supposedly did after Season 3), then I could accept it. If he left her just because Dru showed up, I think that that would be just as bad as Buffy leaving him for Angel.You said you didnt want Buffy to leave Spike because of Angel.
How would you feel if Spike left Buffy?
Me too, but would they do the same story again?If Spike left Buffy because he feels that, for some legitimate reason, they can't be together (like Angel supposedly did after Season 3), then I could accept it.
I don't think at this point of her life Buffy needs to see Angel to realize “OMG, I love him! I had forgotten that! Bye Spike!” It's not like she hasn't seen him for 5, 10 years.If he left her just because Dru showed up, I think that that would be just as bad as Buffy leaving him for Angel.
Little thing? A nightmare where he thought that he was back to killing people again, same night he has just slept with her?If he's that insecure about every little thing, it's time to take a step back.
God, I truly hope that we don't see a repeat of the Season 3 finale with Spike playing Angel's part this time. (My original comment was basically just meant as a been there, done that, sort of thing)Me too, but would they do the same story again?
I don't think at this point of her life Buffy needs to see Angel to realize “OMG, I love him! I had forgotten that! Bye Spike!” It's not like she hasn't seen him for 5, 10 years.
He had absolutely no reason to believe Buffy would drop him for something he had no control over. They weren't even dating and she bent over backwards to help him before.Little thing? A nightmare where he thought that he was back to killing people again, same night he has just slept with her?
Angel's presence? Well, here I have to agree with you.![]()
Considering they're doing Spuffy now after... 5 seasons of pining (whatever that is in terms of years), I don't think grow up and get over it is really applicable when it comes to this 'verse. If it is, it's rather selective.And, no, at this point in her life, Buffy needs to finally realize, and admit to herself, that, as much as she has, and always will, love Angel, barring a miracle, they're just never going to be. Their time is past, and it's time to quit hanging onto a dream that will never come true. Both Buffy AND Angel need to move on. Hopefully, this crossover will finally convince both Buffy and Angel of that. Especially Angel. The boy's been living like a monk way too long. It just ain't healthy!