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Discussion of Buffy 10.27 "Own It, Part II" - Released 5/18/16 (Dark Horse)

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Wow, great issue, again lots of stuff happening! :)

Xander and Dawn refuse Lilah's deal (allow the evil law firm write in the book in exchange of helping them) and leave Anharra (escorted by two demons). As I said before, it seems the Senior Partners do need The Key to come back to Earth, after they left because of the arising of Twilight (Spike: The Complete Series); Lilah puts a track device on Dawn, and the group enters an even worse dimension. Neat!

Meanwhile, Buffy is getting madder and madder; she blames Willow and Giles (the magic experts) for what has just happened with D'Hoffryn and both say that they have done it because Buffy was always afraid of taking charge of the book, of being an adult, always wanting someone else to tell her what to do (later, Sundrop says to Giles that he likes to stay in her fairy dimension to avoid the many problems on his own life!). Spike is the voice of reason, tries to stop the fighting between them, and says they should call Andrew for help, which Buffy thinks it's useless.

Willow goes to talk with Lake and the Army, and they do not like that she has given D'Hoffryn powers (I think Will will be in big trouble, I doubt the Army will now let her go easily). D'Hoffryn raised an island, they try to destroy it with a missile, but instead it is destroyed upon launching; and he makes a very terrifying appearance on their monitors. Very cool!

Willow figures out that D'Hoffryn wouldn't be capable of doing what he has just done unless he had bent reality: a Vengeance Demon fulfilling a vengeance wish for someone, and she is right: it's Jonathan who is working with D'Hoffryn, and has wished vengeance against the Scoobies, and the world (and will be made the first male VD); so much anger - I tink that's because the new Jonathan doesn't have a soul. And he starts his vengeance gig with Andrew, showing him some things said by the Scoobies - out of context:

Willow: Andrew means well, but I don't really trust him.

Buffy: We're past banana talkies and miner helmets. I don't see what use Andrew's going to be.

Well, when Willow said that (earlier in the season), she had her reasons, sure; and an angry Buffy added to her commentary “It all looks pretty useless right now”, not just Andrew. What Spike and Xander said (issue #8) were really more about themselves...



Jonathan shows Andrew some other images of Clive (the bald guy Andrew kissed) saying nasty things about him to a guy - which can be just lies, but make Andrew miserable anyway. D'Hoffryn says “never goes for the kill when you can go for the pain”, and that killing one of the Scoobies – the right one – will be more devastating than kill them all. :eek:

While Giles learns that the fairies will not join the fight, Buffy and Spike are beating their way for information (very cool fight with a very cool female demon - member of the Circle of the Black Thorn! - and her minions); they don't succeed, and they fight, and Buffy says that they should call Angel again because “he is the type who doesn't give up when things get tough”, making Spike leave. She immediately regreted saying that, later at home she apologizes, Spike hints that Buffy is like a child wanting to kill the monster and be done with it, the end, and that's not how real life works, Buffy gets mad again, lashes out at him again, tries to apologize again... but Spike says it's time for them to take a break from each other... :eek::(o_O

***

Spike is using a punk padlock chain necklace (he is a fan of The Clash and Ramones).

***

In the letter section, answering a fan who said that, if Spike died Buffy wouldn't be sad but proud, and maybe would look for Angel, the editor Freddye Miller wrote:

I think Buffy would be immensely sad if Spike were to die :eek::eek::eek: – she'd be devastated! Don't think for a minute that she wouldn't be. As for where she'd go after this imagined death :eek::eek::eek: of Spike, she certainly wouldn't be looking to jump into a new relationship, with anyone, for a good long while...
 
Buffy and Spike

Buffy is under a lot of stress, and has being lashing out at everyone, damaging her relationship with her boyfriend even. So, Spike decides they should take a break.

(that is, more or less, what Vicky said to Buffy, that she would get bored and “kick him to the curb in your own sweet time”).

At first, it looks like he's being a jerk: so many years wanting to be with her, and then, when things get rough, he wants out.

(that is, more or less, what Harmony said to him, that he couldn't “handle a woman like Buffy”, and soon reality would “crashing down on him” and he would “understand how much of what he loved was a fantasy...”)

But then, maybe that's related to what Buffy herself said to him earlier in the season: that sometimes he should give her space, just go away without making a fuss about it - and that's what he's decided to do now, before things get ugly(er): Spike says he wants to help, but all he seems to be doing is making her angrier.

But the thing is that both Giles and Spike have accused Buffy, direct or indirectly, of not wanting to grow up (also Harmony said she was too old for the bad boy thing); so it's about time she does grow up when even an immortal vampire - one that isn't suppose to change but did - is saying that Buffy needs to stop seeing life like it were a fantasy book: kill the monster, fulfill the prophecy, the end. “Children like those sort of stories”, Spike says to her...

After the mind walking, Buffy was totally honest: “it's a lot to process, and it'll take time before I really know how I feel about it all. When I do, I'll tell you”, followed by her awkward way to say she is in love with Spike.

Well, Buffy hasn't said anything to Spike yet; meanwhile, their relationship is going through a lot of issues and challenges, including Buffy thinking far ahead, and of fat grandchildren (the pros and cons to be with a vampire), and how they deal with the AR - without it being an issue to break them up.

So, it's time for Buffy to decide what she wants from life, what she wants from Spike, and maybe... someday she'll tell him.
 
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Wonderful post!

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Wow, great issue, again lots of stuff happening! :)

Xander and Dawn refuse Lilah's deal (allow the evil law firm write in the book in exchange of helping them) and leave Anharra (escorted by two demons). As I said before, it seems the Senior Partners do need The Key to come back to Earth, after they left because of the arising of Twilight (Spike: The Complete Series); Lilah puts a track device on Dawn, and the group enters an even worse dimension. Neat!

Meanwhile, Buffy is getting madder and madder; she blames Willow and Giles (the magic experts) for what has just happened with D'Hoffryn and both say that they have done it because Buffy was always afraid of taking charge of the book, of being an adult, always wanting someone else to tell her what to do (later, Sundrop says to Giles that he likes to stay in her fairy dimension to avoid the many problems on his own life!). Spike is the voice of reason, tries to stop the fighting between them, and says they should call Andrew for help, which Buffy thinks it's useless.

Willow goes to talk with Lake and the Army, and they do not like that she has given D'Hoffryn powers (I think Will will be in big trouble, I doubt the Army will now let her go easily). D'Hoffryn raised an island, they try to destroy it with a missile, but instead it is destroyed upon launching; and he makes a very terrifying appearance on their monitors. Very cool!

Willow figures out that D'Hoffryn wouldn't be capable of doing what he has just done unless he had bent reality: a Vengeance Demon fulfilling a vengeance wish for someone, and she is right: it's Jonathan who is working with D'Hoffryn, and has wished vengeance against the Scoobies, and the world (and will be made the first male VD); so much anger - I tink that's because the new Jonathan doesn't have a soul. And he starts his vengeance gig with Andrew, showing him some things said by the Scoobies - out of context:

Willow: Andrew means well, but I don't really trust him.

Buffy: We're past banana talkies and miner helmets. I don't see what use Andrew's going to be.

Well, when Willow said that (earlier in the season), she had her reasons, sure; and an angry Buffy added to her commentary “It all looks pretty useless right now”, not just Andrew. What Spike and Xander said (issue #8) were really more about themselves...



Jonathan shows Andrew some other images of Clive (the bald guy Andrew kissed) saying nasty things about him to a guy - which can be just lies, but make Andrew miserable anyway. D'Hoffryn says “never goes for the kill when you can go for the pain”, and that killing one of the Scoobies – the right one – will be more devastating than kill them all. :eek:

While Giles learns that the fairies will not join the fight, Buffy and Spike are beating their way for information (very cool fight with a very cool female demon - member of the Circle of the Black Thorn! - and her minions); they don't succeed, and they fight, and Buffy says that they should call Angel again because “he is the type who doesn't give up when things get tough”, making Spike leave. She immediately regreted saying that, later at home she apologizes, Spike hints that Buffy is like a child wanting to kill the monster and be done with it, the end, and that's not how real life works, Buffy gets mad again, lashes out at him again, tries to apologize again... but Spike says it's time for them to take a break from each other... :eek::(o_O

***

Spike is using a punk padlock chain necklace (he is a fan of The Clash and Ramones).

***

In the letter section, answering a fan who said that, if Spike died Buffy wouldn't be sad but proud, and maybe would look for Angel, the editor Freddye Miller wrote:

I think Buffy would be immensely sad if Spike were to die :eek::eek::eek: – she'd be devastated! Don't think for a minute that she wouldn't be. As for where she'd go after this imagined death :eek::eek::eek: of Spike, she certainly wouldn't be looking to jump into a new relationship, with anyone, for a good long while...
 
Buffy and Spike

Buffy is under a lot of stress, and has being lashing out at everyone, damaging her relationship with her boyfriend even. So, Spike decides they should take a break.

(that is, more or less, what Vicky said to Buffy, that she would get bored and “kick him to the curb in your own sweet time”).

At first, it looks like he's being a jerk: so many years wanting to be with her, and then, when things get rough, he wants out.

(that is, more or less, what Harmony said to him, that he couldn't “handle a woman like Buffy”, and soon reality would “crashing down on him” and he would “understand how much of what he loved was a fantasy...”)

But then, maybe that's related to what Buffy herself said to him earlier in the season: that sometimes he should give her space, just go away without making a fuss about it - and that's what he's decided to do now, before things get ugly(er): Spike says he wants to help, but all he seems to be doing is making her angrier.

But the thing is that both Giles and Spike have accused Buffy, direct or indirectly, of not wanting to grow up (also Harmony said she was too old for the bad boy thing); so it's about time she does grow up when even an immortal vampire - one that isn't suppose to change but did - is saying that Buffy needs to stop seeing life like it were a fantasy book: kill the monster, fulfill the prophecy, the end. “Children like those sort of stories”, Spike says to her...

After the mind walking, Buffy was totally honest: “it's a lot to process, and it'll take time before I really know how I feel about it all. When I do, I'll tell you”, followed by her awkward way to say she is in love with Spike.

Well, Buffy hasn't said anything to Spike yet; meanwhile, their relationship is going through a lot of issues and challenges, including Buffy thinking far ahead, and of fat grandchildren (the pros and cons to be with a vampire), and how they deal with the AR - without it being an issue to break them up.

So, it's time for Buffy to decide what she wants from life, what she wants from Spike, and maybe... someday she'll tell him.

this summary is amazing and made me wish i could have my comics at work. also, the cassie/s7 reference to end it- just wow.
 

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The sub-title of this issue "The Centre Cannot Hold" refers to a Yeats poem; the last verse: "Slouches towards Bethlehem", and the mentioning of the beast should be just a coincidence... "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold" is more appropriate for this issue.

THE SECOND COMING

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.

The darkness drops again but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

SOURCE
 

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I have read it finally.

I liked the appearance of Lilah and Wolfram & Hart. I'm not really up to date about them. Did they get locked out of Earth after the destruction of the Seed? And cell-phones in another dimension? But okay, lawyer trope. However, the Xander & Dawn dimension civilizing is the best in this and the last issue. It at least provides for solid comedy.

Buffy blames Willow and Giles for anything concerning D'Hoffryn's betrayal. Nothing new on that front. I wonder what they want to achieve with her behaviour. Is this just another (badly executed) Scoobies are falling apart arc or is there more to it and we just can't see it until the awesomely concluding season finale? If so, I don't know... *yawn*

Or maybe it's supposed to be THE (Yes! Now in earnest. We promise!) "Buffy finally grows up and becomes an adult (and remains one)" season, which she basically already did in S05 and 7... and 9, if we take Giles' accusation as a hint ("Yet another in a lifetime of reasons not to grow up!")?

Spike is pretty helpless as troubleshooter but he's at least getting points for not automatically taking Buffy's side (S07 *cough*).

The scene with Willow at the headquarter was nice if not a bit cliché (Nuke them!). However, I don't see there any kind of betrayal from the military like how the preview summary had implied. Hubris, yes, but betrayal? I'm glad but what's up with that?

"While Dawn and Xander are trapped in another dimension, Buffy, Willow, and Giles are deal with betrayal from the Magic Council, the faerie folk, and the military—no surprise there—all while trying to keep peace among themselves."

Since it's close to the end battle, I guess there won't be any significant Willow plot anymore. :(

And now comes Andrew... please let him die in this season. It can be heroic, for all I care, by saving the world if he's so loved by his fans (/sarcasm). But please... what is his point besides being an unfunny comic relief, a plot thief, and screwing up over and over again without ever learning from his mistakes? He did it again! I swear if the Scoobies end up apologizing to him again then... I'll probably wait for the next issue and buy it anyway.

Oh, considering how Buffy's going all berserk on Archduchess Venobia and the upcoming break-up of Spike (to a very convenient time I might add) I'm really excited about the next issue. :D Will she snap and does something really violent stupid? What's your guess?
 

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Loved the appearance of Lilah. The Anharra stuff was definitely the best of this issue.

Hated Buffy being portrayed so out of control over the top, and of course Willow criticizing Buffy because she didn't just write whatever she wanted in the book irresponsibly as Willow would have done. And Giles saying that Buffy wouldn't write in the book because she refuses to grow up. Come on, not wanting to throw the door open to unintended consequences is entirely grown up behavior.

And "cheap shot" taking Buffy...that's just not her character. That whole Spike-Buffy interaction at the end of the episode just felt off. What a mess.

Also don't like Jonathan as a revenge-seeking villain.

So...yeah...I think this is my least favorite issue all season lol
 

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Finally managed to catch up with the comics. Well apart from the next one which hasn't arrived yet. There's some really good stuff and some really shoddy work. Xander and Dawn are the highlights. Dawn volunteering to stay in a hell dimension is absolutely what she would do and of course Xander will stay with her. Doesn't matter whether it's as a friend or partner he'd always volunteer. Their scenes are some of the most amusing and well written, although the Dr. Mike psycho babble can grate a little.

The other big highlight is D'Hoffryn! He's big, he's bad and he hasn't been playing the scoobies for ages. Thank God for that because the alternative didn't make much sense. Of course as he points out this does make the scoobies look brain dead but there you go.

The bad stuff is the soul glutton and mistress both being terrible bad guys throughout. Glad they've gone. Then we have Willow and Giles laying into Buffy for not trying to bend the universe to her will by writing whatever pops into her head into the book. Obviously as has been shown already writing in the book is a last resort. Not overly impressed with Spike at the moment. Looking out for Dawn was nice of course. He's mostly right trying to calm Buffy down and look for better options. He just seems so humourless and dull. He doesn't seem to have any edge at all anymore.

Then my biggest problem is Buffy. My favourite character and I normally can see where she's coming from even if she's not necessarily right. The last few issues though she's all over the place. Whining about Giles and Willows girlfriends, taking a cheap Angel dig at Spike and generally just hitting things or sulking. Get your **** together and come up with a plan!
 
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