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Evil Dead and Buffy Comparisons

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Anybody else think these two franchises are very similar.

For me Buffy and Evil Dead could be considered brother and sister series to one another. They explore a lot of the same themes, and ideas and there are quite a few strong similarities between the main characters.

The creators of both are big fans of the other and there are references to each in the other one. For instance Buffy and other characters regularly refer to Vampires as The Evil Dead. James Marsters also follows Dana DeLorenzo who plays Kelly my favourite character in Evil Dead on twitter. In My Name is Bruce meanwhile Bruce Campbell (star and co-creator of Evil Dead) at the end, after he's barely defeated the Demon tells the people around him to "next time call that Buffy chick." Also an episode of Ash Vs Evil Dead is very clearly inspired by Normal Again from Buffy.

A lot of these similarities are probably therefore intentional, but whatever the case I think they are similar in the following ways.

Both Buffy and Evil Dead have a very similar lore, where ancient Demon Gods centuries ago ruled over the earth, only to be banished. In both franchises the Demon Gods have created lesser Demon minions (Vampires and Deadites) whose goal is to open a portal using either the Necronomicon, or the Hellmouth and allow them to regain control of the earth.

The Deadites and the Vampires are very similar to one another. Both are Demons that possess human corpses. (Though this became a bit more complicated in later Buffy's due to Spike and Angel, but at least initially that's what Buffy Vamps were.) Both aren't people, but absorb the memories of their human hosts, can appear human, but have to revert to their true Demonic forms, (which are similar with the big, bumpy foreheads.) Both are also relentlessly evil, sadistic monsters who enjoy torturing and killing people, and who are dedicated as a whole to opening a portal to the Demon gods who created them's worlds (through either the Hellmouth or the Necronomicon) and allowing them to come back into this world and overrun it.

Both the Deadites and the Vampires main enemies however are a hero called the Chosen One, who is just an ordinary person that doesn't want to fight monsters, who regularly makes mistakes, ****s up and even quits being a monster hunter in many instances.

I always felt Evil Dead 2's ending was similar to Prophecy Girl. Ash in modern times reads about a hero who fell from the skies in the middle ages and destroyed the Deadites. He obviously thinks it's a lie as they are still here, but at the end of the film, he and the Deadites are thrown backwards in time to the middle ages and he realises that he is the hero who will destroy them in the past.

When he realises that however he breaks down and cries, even though he knows he will win, he doesn't want to be forced to fight these monsters in the middle ages for possibly the rest of his life. Again it reminds me of Buffy breaking down at finding out about the prophecy regarding the Master. Buffy and Ash aren't like Peter Cushing or Blade who choose to fight monsters. They both just want a mundane, ordinary life, but are forced into being monster killers which just makes them both all the more tragic and relatable as who the hell would want that kind of life?



Ash and Buffy are also later part of a Demon busting team of misfits and outcasts too.

Both Buffy and Evil Dead also I think merge overt comedy and horror together like never before. Obviously there have been plenty of other horror comedies, but both series really don't hold back in either.

Buffy has episodes that would be regarded as parodies in any other show like the musical, whilst Evil Dead verges into cartoonish territory a lot, yet both also have some of the most nightmarish, and scary creatures and concepts, sometimes in the same episode.

Finally both have also been able to span more mediums than other film or tv series. Musicals, tv, film, video games, even stage shows. Charmed for instance has never been able to crossover to film, or video games, whilst the likes of A Nightmare on Elm Street has only had a limited life on tv, and never as far as I know kicked off a musical.

For me they are sister/brother franchises. I think it would be cool if Dana Delorenzo was cast as Fray in a tv adaptation of that. Would be a good way of combining them together.
 
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Interesting, and I love both franchises. I'd have to think about it before I felt I could say anything (say something now and I might disagree tomorrow with what I said today).

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Having thought about this, I see what you're saying more clearly and I do agree with all of this.

My only real quibble is that it works differently, and the Evil Dead (the demons) don't operate with the same psychology.

The Evil Dead is more of a possessing force that can animate living trees as much as dead people...one of its strengths is when they leave the horror undefined (plenty of moments where the "camera" more chases the characters while the characters shriek and run, and sometimes suffer if the "camera angle" catches them, leaving it to our imagination what they see, or at least sense).

Buffy couldn't really slay them because they'd just move to someone or something else and attack again through their new tool. The Evil Dead seem to have no true form (and prefer to possess what is already here, be it human or tree or car or even more surreal objects as porn mags and iphones, when they do wish to act on the physical), and aren't affected by religious artifacts or have human motivations. The most Buffy could do would be to get something a wizard or witch could use to banish their force.

They don't want to put us on factory farms like the Master or convert us, or to rule all like Illyria and the Mayor, and demons aren't just alien species (the vast majority of demons on Buffy and Angel could easily be transferred to a scifi setting and many viewers wouldn't blink). They want to destroy us utterly, and in a way as if our existence offended it (notable exception in Ruby), though perhaps the fact that humans could have power over them at all is what drove them to be so vicious (creating an understandable human-like motive of disproportional revenge for either having plucked them here through magic against their will, or conversely, their revenge over exile in a timeless realm when some fool opens a crack with magic that allows one or more to slip through).

Demons in Buffy and Angel have a society (typically feudal) which a "xenosociologist" can study (and one did in Angel) whereas there's no real society to study in Evil Dead (even if Ruby made bargains with spirits in bringing them over, the exception who wanted to rule rather than destroy, which made her a deviant in Evil Dead society). You won't find the Evil Dead at a Willy's or singing at Caritas (well they might go, but as marauders, not customers).

In short, vampires are a more understandable evil, and can (Buffy or otherwise) fit in well with society. Given that society, certainly in the United States (and I do mean to include many who consider themselves strongly religious), are all about the 7 Deadly Sins (the only one really condemned anymore in a universal as opposed to opportunistic way is Sloth).

Vampires can integrate into that (and with a little help from Wolfram and Hart, even thrive, and in other series, are increasingly put into Illuminati roles in a way that makes a lot of sense, and probably what the Master in Buffy was going for). Even body snatchers come off as more alien than vampires. Those they change do so through infection (a supernatural virus that's as much a curse on humanity as a virus to be sure, but still a virus, and if vampires are driven to create more of their kind--as apparently they are--they're just doing what a virus does, which is within human understanding, at least once a human accepts the supernatural).

I just can't see the Evil Dead doing that, or humanity understanding them beyond the basics of summoning and killing them. They don't care about our religions or morality or see any kinship with us, not even as a food source (if we are food, then they're too starved to restrain themselves, and their food is our horror, not our blood). At most we provide entertainment for their sadistic games (I read some interpretation somewhere that the reason the demons didn't go in for the kill on Ash more than once is that they'd formed a sick form of attraction, the mutual torture and torment was like affection for them and Ash was one of the few who could properly "appreciate" the horror they wrought, and they'd miss him when he was gone).


That is, the supernatural horrors of Buffy and Angel are definable for the most part. Those of the Evil Dead are enigmatic at best, and I'd say truly alien and unknowable.


Anyway, just my thoughts as I love both franchises (and I do agree with what you said beyond this disclaimer--and don't forget the series also had their own version of the Knights of Byzantium). And now I'm suddenly wondering if there's an Evil Dead/Buffy/Stranger Things crossover...that could be awesome. :)
 

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Hmm...I feel like the nuance of "what is evil" would be lost if Buffy existed in the Ash-verse. Because (to my recollection) evil is very cut and dry there, whereas in Buffy it is not.
 

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Having thought about this, I see what you're saying more clearly and I do agree with all of this.

My only real quibble is that it works differently, and the Evil Dead (the demons) don't operate with the same psychology.

The Evil Dead is more of a possessing force that can animate living trees as much as dead people...one of its strengths is when they leave the horror undefined (plenty of moments where the "camera" more chases the characters while the characters shriek and run, and sometimes suffer if the "camera angle" catches them, leaving it to our imagination what they see, or at least sense).

Buffy couldn't really slay them because they'd just move to someone or something else and attack again through their new tool. The Evil Dead seem to have no true form (and prefer to possess what is already here, be it human or tree or car or even more surreal objects as porn mags and iphones, when they do wish to act on the physical), and aren't affected by religious artifacts or have human motivations. The most Buffy could do would be to get something a wizard or witch could use to banish their force.

They don't want to put us on factory farms like the Master or convert us, or to rule all like Illyria and the Mayor, and demons aren't just alien species (the vast majority of demons on Buffy and Angel could easily be transferred to a scifi setting and many viewers wouldn't blink). They want to destroy us utterly, and in a way as if our existence offended it (notable exception in Ruby), though perhaps the fact that humans could have power over them at all is what drove them to be so vicious (creating an understandable human-like motive of disproportional revenge for either having plucked them here through magic against their will, or conversely, their revenge over exile in a timeless realm when some fool opens a crack with magic that allows one or more to slip through).

Demons in Buffy and Angel have a society (typically feudal) which a "xenosociologist" can study (and one did in Angel) whereas there's no real society to study in Evil Dead (even if Ruby made bargains with spirits in bringing them over, the exception who wanted to rule rather than destroy, which made her a deviant in Evil Dead society). You won't find the Evil Dead at a Willy's or singing at Caritas (well they might go, but as marauders, not customers).

In short, vampires are a more understandable evil, and can (Buffy or otherwise) fit in well with society. Given that society, certainly in the United States (and I do mean to include many who consider themselves strongly religious), are all about the 7 Deadly Sins (the only one really condemned anymore in a universal as opposed to opportunistic way is Sloth).

Vampires can integrate into that (and with a little help from Wolfram and Hart, even thrive, and in other series, are increasingly put into Illuminati roles in a way that makes a lot of sense, and probably what the Master in Buffy was going for). Even body snatchers come off as more alien than vampires. Those they change do so through infection (a supernatural virus that's as much a curse on humanity as a virus to be sure, but still a virus, and if vampires are driven to create more of their kind--as apparently they are--they're just doing what a virus does, which is within human understanding, at least once a human accepts the supernatural).

I just can't see the Evil Dead doing that, or humanity understanding them beyond the basics of summoning and killing them. They don't care about our religions or morality or see any kinship with us, not even as a food source (if we are food, then they're too starved to restrain themselves, and their food is our horror, not our blood). At most we provide entertainment for their sadistic games (I read some interpretation somewhere that the reason the demons didn't go in for the kill on Ash more than once is that they'd formed a sick form of attraction, the mutual torture and torment was like affection for them and Ash was one of the few who could properly "appreciate" the horror they wrought, and they'd miss him when he was gone).


That is, the supernatural horrors of Buffy and Angel are definable for the most part. Those of the Evil Dead are enigmatic at best, and I'd say truly alien and unknowable.


Anyway, just my thoughts as I love both franchises (and I do agree with what you said beyond this disclaimer--and don't forget the series also had their own version of the Knights of Byzantium). And now I'm suddenly wondering if there's an Evil Dead/Buffy/Stranger Things crossover...that could be awesome. :)
Good analysis. Yeah obviously the Demons in Evil Dead aren't completely similar to the monsters in Buffy, but remember in both series there are meant to be literally thousands of different Demon species. We just don't get a chance to see them all in Evil Dead, but there are a few non deadite Demons like that blue, eyeless freak that takes over Kelly.

I think Buffy could do well against the Deadites as she could hack them to bits (though it would be a lot more messy than she is used too LOL) whilst Giles could probably do a counter spell to banish them, like Ash and Annie Knowby tried to do in Evil Dead 2.

I forgot about the Knights in Ash Vs Evil Dead 3. I liked the fangirl Zoe, she was quite cute, but generally speaking they were about as useless as the Knights from Buffy season 5 LOL. Zoe got what is probably the most horrific death of anyone in the franchise. Beaten, drained, flayed and her eyes poked out, and presumably sent to hell to be tortured forever afterwards.

Still at least Ash's knights were on his side and didn't actually make things worse like those bumbling morons. Seriously if they'd just let Buffy and her gang get out of town, Glory wouldn't have been able to find them and would have missed her shot.

Also at least Ash's knights carried modern weaponry, where as these guys still went around with swords LOL. "It's called an Uzi you chump, could have saved your life about now."

Hmm...I feel like the nuance of "what is evil" would be lost if Buffy existed in the Ash-verse. Because (to my recollection) evil is very cut and dry there, whereas in Buffy it is not.
Yeah LOL the Deadites don't leave a lot of room for nuance, but I suppose Ruby could be considered Ash's version of Angel, in that she becomes more human and genuinely does good. Also even before she was a human, she was a more neutral evil.


I could easily imagine Giles singing this to Buffy and friends in seasons 1 to 3, and Buffy singing it to Dawn in S6 and 7 LOL. I guess it would be living with Spike rather than father.
 

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The power of the Necronomicon scares the bejesus out of me .

There are some interesting parallels between the two franchises . Both have devoted fanbases . Both have reluctant heroes . Both blend horror , comedy and action and do a decent job of all aspects .

There isn't much heft to the characters in the Evil Dead verse though . Ash is an everyman pushed beyond the limits of human endurance in Evil Dead 2 . He's more a Xander type than a Buffy hero , all enthusiasm for the fight but no real skill .

In the third film Ash becomes the vainglorious blowhard fool we see in AshvsEvil Dead . Not seen the last season of that yet ...but I doubt he achieves a great deal of character growth :D .

One of my favourite moments of cinema is the 'true' theatrical ending for Evil Dead 3 .

 

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The power of the Necronomicon scares the bejesus out of me .

There are some interesting parallels between the two franchises . Both have devoted fanbases . Both have reluctant heroes . Both blend horror , comedy and action and do a decent job of all aspects .

There isn't much heft to the characters in the Evil Dead verse though . Ash is an everyman pushed beyond the limits of human endurance in Evil Dead 2 . He's more a Xander type than a Buffy hero , all enthusiasm for the fight but no real skill .

In the third film Ash becomes the vainglorious blowhard fool we see in AshvsEvil Dead . Not seen the last season of that yet ...but I doubt he achieves a great deal of character growth :D .

One of my favourite moments of cinema is the 'true' theatrical ending for Evil Dead 3 .

Spoilers he's just as much of an asshole in series 3 LOL.

Evil Dead obviously lacks the gravitas of Buffy, but it is a lot wilder and more outrageous.

I'm not sure I've ever actually watched this scene without looking away LOL.


I think that a lot of the differences can be summed up as Evil Dead is kind of a guy's thing, Buffy is kind of a girls thing. Now I'm not saying that only guys can like Evil Dead, and only women can like Buffy. I'm a guy, I LOVE Buffy, and both franchises have a healthy and strong following among both genders.

However I think it's fair to say that women generally prefer stories about romance, characterisation, and soap opera elements to men. Not saying that's the case with all women or anything, or that there is anything wrong with that but it's true. Guys generally tend to prefer action and can have a more childish and crude sense of humour. (Again nothing wrong with that. I LOVE childish and crude comedies like It's Always Sunny, Bottom and The Young Ones.)

Added to that Evil Dead stars a guy, Buffy stars a woman (though there are plenty of strong roles for both in both franchises, naturally men might find Ash a more relatable every man, whilst Buffy spoke to a lot of young girls as she went through the problems they did.)

It's kind of like Charmed and Supernatural. They could also be seen as a brother and sister franchise to one another, and are a similar idea but one from a male perspective and one from a female perspective.

Though I am not sure if there is as much love between them as Evil Dead and the Buffster. I seem to recall one Supernatural episode that was a bit of a dig at Charmed. It had 3 Witches who were based on the Halliwell sisters who were depicted as useless, vain and stupid, and who all died horrible deaths at the hands of a Demon. It might have been intended to be just a joke, but a lot of fans of Charmed seemed to take it as an insult. Still at least Buffy and Evil Dead have a good relationship with one another.

I still say we should get a Fray series with Dana Delorenzo though. Hey James Marsters thinks she's great. Who knows more about Slayers than Spike?

 
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While I'll agree that patterns exist, just wanted to add that plenty of men like girl stuff but will rarely share, and to a lesser but still present extent, plenty of women (and girls) like "guy stuff" but may not want to say so.

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It just occurs to me...while I found helpful inspiration in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, I think (at least in my early 20s and younger, though I can still manifest this aspect when necessary) that I relate more to Kelly on Ash vs the Evil Dead than any females on Buffy. (As someone older I can relate somewhat to Jenny, but still feel more affinity to Kelly despite calming down with age, and I restrain my sarcasm a lot more than I used to.)
 

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It just occurs to me...while I found helpful inspiration in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, I think (at least in my early 20s and younger, though I can still manifest this aspect when necessary) that I relate more to Kelly on Ash vs the Evil Dead than any females on Buffy. (As someone older I can relate somewhat to Jenny, but still feel more affinity to Kelly despite calming down with age, and I restrain my sarcasm a lot more than I used to.)
I LOVE Kelly. She is my favourite character in Ash vs Evil Dead. Dana Delorenzo is such a brilliant actress and hilarious. The fact that she is a double of Amy Winehouse doesn't hurt.


Is that Amy, or Dana done up as Amy? It's hard to tell at times LOL.

I love Amy Winehouse. Her and Xena were my two biggest ever crushes as a teenager, so basically seeing them both team up to take on supernatural creatures in Ash Vs Evil Dead series 2 was awesome. I just wish it had been around when I was a teenager LOL.


Dana actually responded to me on twitter when I told her she should play Amy.


She also responded to me on Insta. I had recently been through a few personal tragedies at that time and so had Dana so I said I could relate to it on her page, and she sent me her condolences. That was so sweet of her.

I'm hoping her as Fray catches on, but sadly it's not a well known enough character. If she gets to play Amy that will be good enough.

What is it you relate to about Kelly? I can relate to her constantly swearing and explosive anger LOL.
 

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Why I identified more with Kelly than any on Buffy is cutting some fine lines.

BRIEF ANSWER: her personality, way of talking (though I don't cuss much, but the Evil Dead would probably change that), and general demeanor and priorities. There are a lot of parallels which is what makes this difficult for me to answer, but there's a different set of priorities and expression that I can relate to a lot more than most Buffyverse characters. (As I've posted in the past, if I found myself as one of the characters, the others would figure it out fast that I was no occupying the body of whoever as I'm just too different in so many ways.)


THE DETAILS:

I think it worth mentioning that one time I almost over-identified was Sarah from The Crow. I was 11 at the time, and it was the first R-rated movie I saw, first with adults (not related to me), the second having snuck in with a new friend who was very close to me (who later died, adding to my learning about death and loss at a young age, which helps me sympathize with Kelly as we're kind of similar in that way). The only reason I didn't pick up on her profanity is that my parents cussed like that but Granny didn't, and I feel that if I cussed like her then I'd "prove" I belonged with my parents than with Granny (and for this reason I don't normally use profanity like Kelly does, but this is about the only way I'm more like a Buffy character).

I got into skateboarding which didn't happen overnight, and I endured a lot of bumps, yellow jacket & bull nettle stings (at the same time!) to get my skateboard back (I was stung, covered my face with my own shirt, and endured more stings to get it, I was NOT going to let the yellow jackets have it, a fire similar to Kelly, and I didn't whine about it, I just accepted it as inevitable and did it, motivated by anger because of what that board meant to me, which was the love of my grandmother). I see Kelly as having these kinds of attachments (not focused on a lover as a Buffyverse character) and stoicism, anger and determination that can get her through a lot without a lot of moping even when moping is completely understandable even by my standards.

(My lack of interest in dating combined with athletic hobbies affected my dressing habits, and the way Kelly dresses is a lot closer to me than Buffyverse characters--worth noting that many Buffy characters would be sent home by any school I went to, and that was the late 90s, if in Texas. And since some people put a lot of stock on looks I'll add that from age 16 to 24 I often dyed my hair black and had tan skin.)

I also come from a family of hunters (and have taken hunters ed) while Kelly's father is a hunter. Her mother was absent for a long time, and my own mother could be, and she has an evil side. Furthermore, my family pushed me hard into independence (which included throwing me out onto a lake when I was 4 with only a life preserver on and then walking away so I'd stop crying and start figuring out how to get back to the dock, just one of many examples, and I also learned to take the initiative to take care of myself which further adds to why I can be like Kelly).

As my expectations of others and the world was low, I was pretty stoic, and also gained a very black humor that (somewhat) preserved my sanity. I was more pragmatic surviving in the world that is then pretending I was living in (or could somehow achieve) an idealistic world that never has, and likely never will, exist. This doesn't make me cruel, but it does give me more personality traits in common with Kelly than Buffy or Willow. I didn't feel crushed because my dad abandoned me (though he pretty much did, worse than what Buffy experienced), and yet sometimes (like Kelly) I gave family the benefit of a doubt even when I should really know better. (As I got older, I've calmed down somewhat and can relate to Jenny somewhat, but even then I'd see her as someone I could relate to, but not particularly identify with in the same way as Kelly, and this was much more true when I was in my teens and up to mid-20s.)


Faith was the closest to dress and carry herself like me, but they "ruined" it (for identification purposes) by overly sexualizing her in appearance and mannerism (among other things). Not saying that makes Faith bad, but it (and other stuff) does put up a barrier against me identifying with her, whereas Kelly doesn't have these barriers that Faith does.

Likewise, Kelly isn't obsessed with boys, dating, or sex way the female (and male) cast of Buffy typically are, nor does life threatening situations (including the world literally going to Hell!) or acting on violence make her horny (also a common trait in the Jossverse which mystifies me, especially combined in how often they were miserable regardless of whether they were dating or single, though I do know some people really are wired that way). This is another reason I can relate to and identify with Kelly more than Buffyverse characters.

(That said, a "stud" girlfriend wanted me to femme up from the tomboy I was, and I was afflicted with subconscious fears that becoming more feminine would make me spineless and more of a target. I did overcome this, and I think the coincidence of my starting to watch Buffy at the time sped that process up.)

Add in the harassment scene in first ep. That kind of sarcasm and bored stoicism sounds like me in such a situation...and if someone touched me, touching them back violently also sounds like me (and not by what Buffy calls "chick fight" nor fancy martial arts, but rather about like Kelly did, though that one time Buffy flipped Larry could be something I'd do once I learned how).

Not just that. I tolerated a teacher berating me over something stupid until she dug her nails into my arms hard enough to leave bruises at which point I slammed that teacher against the wall with one warning to never touch me again...don't forget Kelly mentions a similar school experience (where she fought off a nun after accidentally breaking a stained glass window).

Kelly screams and rants a bit, but it blows over fast. She can hold a grudge but she's not going to shed a lot of tears over it. It is what it is. She doesn't need constant counseling, nor does she constantly brood over the world and her life despite having ample reason to. She's pragmatic and stoic, as I was forced to become when I was young and carried over into my younger 20s.


For that matter, Kelly and I have similar priorities in other ways. Normally I wouldn't steal a book and motorcycle, but could under those circumstances (and the guilt from doing so, especially if I thought I was wrong about the emergency after all AND the guy I stole from had just saved my life earlier, would cause me to tolerate Ash's behavior...for a little while, at least).



I remember the first time I fired a shotgun, and how it kind of freaked me out (though I like them now). But soon after I got to fire an AR-15 and was so good at it (though it's easy once I was able to configure the sight to my vision) that I was sentimental toward it (even wanted to own one though I didn't need it, thankfully I was able to prioritize by NOT buying something that expensive and potentially troublesome for something of no real use to me).

Kelly also loved her high capacity rifles, and I would as well in her situation. In contrast, the Scoobies and such rarely used guns (and I'd say for good reason--pragmatic more than moral, mind you--that wouldn't apply in Evil Dead, but that's another topic). Yet another reason to identify with her more.

And the simple reason that Kelly was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. She doesn't have Slayer strength or healing. No doubt it was my having to survive some bad situations as a child, more so as a teen, but I've admired when those who are small and physically weak can still overcome much more powerful forces, as opposed to a superhero.




When in a position of authority, I don't swagger or bully or anything, I see authority as an obligation rather than a pass to be horrible to people, but those who break the rules can see a side similar to when Kelly was smacking down the drunks at her bar (and I've faced down violent crazies shouting at me and even meth heads sporting knives with rap sheets that the police send several to arrest just one, and I was like a mother laying down the law to undisciplined children, not a shrinking violet, and though sarcastic it was more in Kelly's way than Buffy's way, and sometimes with raised voice). As this is a family friendly board, I won't say how one described me (though it was meant in the nicest way, but Buffy or Willow would feel really awkward to be described that way while I think Kelly would laugh and might even be flattered).

That said, I can be protective of others, including men, just as Kelly could be. Not in some superhero or condescending way, just concerned about them, just as I'm concerned about myself, me and mine.


As a final note, I'd remind you that the Ash doll was very similar to the Angel doll in appearance (and both even grew fangs), and I could see myself seeing that doll reacting as she did. (Buffy had Mr. Gordo, but I don't recall her ever speaking to Gordo.)
 

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WOW I have definitely lived a sheltered life compared to you. I'm so sorry you went through that growing up but you have definitely come through the other side and I'm glad you used those experiences to make yourself a strong person.

I'm a big fan of The Crow. It's an amazing film, action packed, dark, yet also beautiful and poignant in places. Sarah was a great character. The scene where she and Eric reunite was so touching. Now that you mention it she is like a young Kelly LOL. I never hated a villain more than Topdollar. Unlike the Deadites he was almost an example of the banality of evil. I know he is over the top, but he is still a man. (Michael Wincott is amazing. Don't know why he doesn't get more work.)

It's also odd that you mentioned Faith, as I've always thought that Dana Delorenzo was similar to Eliza Dushku. They have the same tomboy thing, the same anger, and the same husky voice. Dana, Eliza and Stephanie Beatriz (Rosa from Brooklyn 99) should all play ass kicking sisters, like The Heroic Trio or something.

I never thought of Ash Slashy and the Angel puppet but yeah they are kind of similar.





In that area Dana did a lot better than James in terms of fighting off an angry puppet, but to be fair Spike seemed to be overcome by laughter.


 
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I also see a lot of similarities between Faith and Kelly. It's just Faith's problems and hyper-sexuality that, like most Jossverse characters, was excited by violence and doom, made it so I didn't identify with Faith as I did Kelly.

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thrasherpix I also see a lot of similarities between Faith and Kelly. It's just Faith's problems and hyper-sexuality that, like most Jossverse characters, was excited by violence and doom, made it so I didn't identify with Faith as I did Kelly.

As much as I love Faith at times I do think she slipped into being a bit of a guys fantasy character at times LOL. Kelly was a bit more of a straight forward action hero, though Kelly was still sexy as hell too, she was just a bit more subtle about it. Her hamminess made her sexy. (Hammy women are the sexiest in tv shows. I guess lots of girls like hammy men too, like Spike and David Tennant LOL.)

I also found the girl who played Sarah in the crow's twitter page.


Her and Kelly are kind of the same character LOL. right down to the potty mouth, though in terms of the supernatural they are the opposite. If they met I reckon Sarah would probably try and convince Kelly that the paranormal isn't always evil. Her loss was caused by humans, whilst it was the paranormal that gave Eric a chance to avenge himself. She'd probably have more sympathy for someone like Spike, even pre soul.
 

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Found this interview with Rochelle Davis. (The girl who played Sarah)

I have to say she has the EXACT same voice as Dana Delorenzo. They don't look alike, but they have the same voice.



They both seem like fun people to interview.
 
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Now I'm very interested in other girls who related to and felt that Sarah impacted their lives as kids. I thought I was almost unique that way, but apparently not. It wouldn't be the first time. Buffy isn't the only inspiration, just better known

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[B][I]thrasherpix[/I][/B] Now I'm very interested in other girls who related to and felt that Sarah impacted their lives as kids. I thought I was almost unique that way, but apparently not. It wouldn't be the first time. Buffy isn't the only inspiration, just better known

She's a good role model. She has to fend for herself on the streets and because of her useless mother, she has her own style, is quite angry, brash and feisty, but never nasty. She's brave like when she is kidnapped by Top Dollar, but not afraid to show how vulnerable she is around Eric. (The scene where they reunite is very touching.)
 
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