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If Riley Hadn't Left....

Discussion in 'Season 5' started by white avenger, Mar 23, 2016.

  1. white avenger

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    How do you think that Season 5 would have played out if, for whatever reason, Riley had decided to stay in Sunnydale instead of leaving with his Army buddies?

    One thing that I can see immediately is that, if Glory had captured and interrogated him instead of Spike, (assuming that she perceived Riley as being the one most "precious" to Buffy) he most likely wouldn't have survived the process, or would have wound up mind drained like Tara.
     
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    Black Thorn
    That would have sucked (I'm so punny), but really, that would have been tricky to act out, as Riley would have stayed pretty much exactly the same after being mind drained.
     
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    Professor Walsh Feminist slayerette

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    Hey! I might need to punch you for that.

    If Riley had stayed ... I think Riley had to leave to make room for Spike's pretty-good-guy character arch. If Riley had stayed, could that have given us Spike the bad guy back?
     
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    I don't think that Spike's story, as it was developed, couldn't have been possible with Riley still there, if for no other reason than that Riley would never have let him help.
     
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    GoSpuffy Vampire Lover, I mean Slayer

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    Riley had to leave, his role was over. It wasn't enough to be "missions boyfriend", he needed to be useful and Buffy didn't need him for braun (Spike took over) and the other roles were all taken, brains (Giles), magic (Willow), average guy (Xander).
     
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    Yeah no matter where you stand on the character I think it was a good time for him to leave. The narrative just would have been too packed for the season moving forward if he had stayed. It got to point where it was clear that him and Buffy just weren't right for each other long term.
     
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    I agree, just like when Oz left. Everyone loved Oz but it was time to focus on willow being a witch rather than a girl dating a werewolf. Doesn't mean we didn't miss him.
     
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    Except that in the case of Riley it does mean that;)
     
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    GoSpuffy Vampire Lover, I mean Slayer

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    Mr Trick: Thanks!
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    If Giles couldn't prevent it, Riley wouldn't have a chance. I also think that powerless Riley with his ego issues would have been a liability - biting off far more than he could chew.
     
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    I wouldn't have a whole lot of problem imagining Giles and Riley pulling the same kind of stunt in Season 5 that Giles tried with Wood in Season 7, joining forces to dust Spike behind Buffy's back, and with Spike being chipped at the time, therefore virtually helpless to defend himself, combined with Riley being far better trained and more capable than Wood, they would have been much more likely to have succeeded.

    Almost certainly, you're right about that, but if he could have gotten his hands on some military supplies, such as a couple of assault rifles, the real kind, and a few grenades, he might have actually been useful. Just a sniper rifle to take Doc out at the end, even if only temporarily, might have actually saved the day.

    For that matter, we never saw what a plain, simple, .50 caliber round to the head from several hundred yards away, would have done to Glory. It might have actually settled the issue before any real trouble started.
     
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    Certainly after 'Crush' I could see something like that happening, Riley being alarmed at this train of events that he saw coming before anyone else. Oh, and, and it would've been entirely deserved at that point.
     
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    Yes, but why bother? Spike isn't as threat, as you say. I do believe that Giles saw him as a threat when he made his pact with Wood.. Staking Spike would do noting to combat Glory or save Dawn. If either of them just wanted Spike dead they could have done that on their own at any time - not like he could fight back. I was just saying if Giles can't convince Buffy not to use Spike as muscle, I doubt she would listen to Riley on that subject.

    Yeah - ammunition would have been smart - though Glory could do the alter time thing like Illyria, couldn't she?
     
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    Not that w ever saw.
     
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    I could see Riley sticking around and just ending up the "damsel in distress" character (what is the male version of a damsel?), purely for the fact he is Buffy's less powerful boyfriend who is likely to get himself into scrapes because he as that complex about being inferior to his woman. An interesting alternative to the stereotypical female role I guess?

    But Riley would have been even more annoying like that, and less contributory to the story, so it was right that he left.
     
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    If Riley hadn't left the show, I can see there being some tension between him and Buffy over the issues that were brought up in Into the Woods with Riley letting vampires feed on him and Buffy's distance. This would cause them to take a break from their relationship but they'll still be there for each other when the need arises. Giving each other some space could allow Riley to work on his self-esteem issues and Buffy to think about why she has difficulty letting Riley in. I do see the events of Crush pushing Riley to end Spike once and for all like thetopher mentioned. I can't think of anything else beyond that.
     
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    Riley would have gone on to be a supportive demon fighter like Wood, but without the Mummy issues. Oh wait, professor walsh would probably be the source of his mummy issues. ;)
     
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    Like Xander dating Anya, and almost married to who is vengance demon?
     
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    I could imagine Riley possibly dying trying to save or protect Dawn from glory or one of her minions or something.
     
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    He could, if he know that