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Lindsey and the end of Season 5

AnthonyCordova

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I just saw the conclusion of Season 5 again and a new idea occurred to me: would it have been a better idea for Angel to not have double-crossed Lindsey so that he survived...and possibly joined the team afterwards? As we all know, Wesley dying and Lorne leaving meant there was a void which potentially needed to be filled. The idea of Lindsey joining the group is intriguing. Imagine, in a hypothetical Season 6, Lindsey is on the team...but the rest of the gang can never be quite sure of his reliability, always wondering when the other shoe would drop. Imagine a story and plot where, in some ways, keeping Lindsey becomes a necessity, but on the other hand, they can't extend to him complete trust either. That seems to me like a circumstance that they could have played with, a situation that could have led to some interesting stories. We all regret that Season 6, in television form, never happened. But do you think that this idea might have had something to it? Does it sound like something you would have preferred, as opposed to the ending we actually got (and all that this ending implied for future stories?)
 

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Lindsey, like Lilah, was mostly in it for himself and I think that if he believed Angel would win, then yes, he would join the team. But he would also be a liability because if he thinks he has a better chance of 'winning' or gaining more power with Wolfram and Heart, then he would join their side.
 
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If there was going to be a season 6 then Wesley wouldn't have died - Joss himself has said as much. And Lorne wouldn't have been written out at the end of s5 either - though Andy Hallet's medical issues started a matter of weeks after filming wrapped, so he may have had to pull out of season 6. But there wouldn't actually be vacancies in the team by the end of season 5.

I think there's only so far you can go with a 'can we trust him or not?' story line before the audience will get frustrated and want an answer, and the show had already done Lindsey grappling with his morality back in the early seasons. In fact, season 5 undid all that work for no sensible or discernable reason (wait - he's done with Wolfram and Hart, but he doesn't want Angel working for them being given 'everything he'd worked for' (even though he was done with them) despite the fact The Senior Partners offering Angel W&H was clearly a trap? What?). So we'd either have to rehash his redemption (and how long would it last this time? Is anyone even going to be invested?) or Angel already knows the answer - he can trust Lindsey just as long as it suits Lindsey to be on his side ... which he knows at the end of s5 ... which is why he kills him.
 

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If there was going to be a season 6 then Wesley wouldn't have died - Joss himself has said as much. And Lorne wouldn't have been written out at the end of s5 either - though Andy Hallet's medical issues started a matter of weeks after filming wrapped, so he may have had to pull out of season 6. But there wouldn't actually be vacancies in the team by the end of season 5.

I think there's only so far you can go with a 'can we trust him or not?' story line before the audience will get frustrated and want an answer, and the show had already done Lindsey grappling with his morality back in the early seasons. In fact, season 5 undid all that work for no sensible or discernable reason (wait - he's done with Wolfram and Hart, but he doesn't want Angel working for them being given 'everything he'd worked for' (even though he was done with them) despite the fact The Senior Partners offering Angel W&H was clearly a trap? What?). So we'd either have to rehash his redemption (and how long would it last this time? Is anyone even going to be invested?) or Angel already knows the answer - he can trust Lindsey just as long as it suits Lindsey to be on his side ... which he knows at the end of s5 ... which is why he kills him.

Well JM at a convention said he was going to give his notice (because of his Kelly Manners feud) but was only stopped when they got news of cancellation, so there would've been a vacancy there. Plus Gunness dying in that alley. As Joss says on the DVD overview "a soon to be dead Gunn" so there would've been at least 2 openings
 
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Maybe JM would have left - I don't know. But people die in that last episode because it is the last episode. If they were getting a season 6, all the crew would have survived just fine - apart from maybe Spike, if he was leaving and Joss was feeling spiteful - same as the Buffy crew survive every apocalypse unless a) it's the final one or b) it's the central character and they're coming back or c) they dared to get pregnant and ruin Joss' plans for the season - though that one was unlikely to affect Gunn . But Spike isn't actually a vacancy - the team has lasted four years without him and there wasn't actually much of a role for him in s5, he was there for the viewing figures not what he brought to the story.

Even if the writers decided that with Cordy gone and Spike gone they needed a bigger team (which they might not necessarily - the size of the team had been much smaller in the past and as it grew they each got less screen time, they might think it benefited the characters and the story to scale back) that still wouldn't make Lindsey the best replacement. Because there's still nothing to do with him except 'is he evil or isn't he?' which they'd already done and as the answer is 'he's evil if it suits him' it would still end with Angel deciding to get rid of him ... which they tied up nicely at the end of s5. And if they really wanted to add an extra team member (and weren't being forced to include a specific popular character by the network) - I think at that point they would have had to have added a female one, because the male:female ratio was out of control... and technically Illyria isn't even a woman, she's a primordial old one wearing a dead woman's skin.
 
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