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Oklahoma lawmakers seek new abortion law

Spanky

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They are trying to get legislature passed which makes abortions homicide. Regardless of the situation of why the abortion was needed, it will still be considered homicide. Moreover, it would also allow for relatives to sue the woman (maybe the physician also) for damages. Wow.

SB 13 prohibits the use of abortion in any circumstance. The measure’s intent is to provide to unborn children the equal protection of the laws of this state. Any abortion procedure that results in the death of an unborn child is subject to the same laws governing homicide, manslaughter, justifiable homicide, and excusable homicide. Additionally, wrongful damages may be recovered by representatives of the deceased. SB 13 will eliminate exemptions previously granted in state law that permit abortion. Physicians, physician assistants, abortion clinics, and counseling services cannot provide any counseling, referrals, or services related to abortion. No exceptions are allowed under the measure. The measure repeals all other sections of law related to governing the use of abortion. The measure further states that regardless of any contrary or conflicting federal statutes, regulations, executive orders, or court decisions, the Attorney General shall continue to enforce laws related to homicide and abortions. Any ruling or law contradicting this measure is deemed to be unconstitutional and void and no federal suits may be entered to challenge the measure, should it pass.
 
Joan the Vampire Slayer
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Yeah. Oklahoma is incredibly anti-abortion. It may not pass though.

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This was the explicit aim of a large section of people voting for Trump. Whatever issues they may otherwise have with him their priority was to criminalise women making decisions about their own body. This is (amongst other things) why there were mass protests after the election and surrounding the Supreme Court appointment.

Hopefully everyone who has condemned protesters and suggested they should shut up and accept their lot in life will begin to understand the gravity of the situation.
 
Taake
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The mass protests against the guy who ended up protecting Planned Parenthood in December 2018. Oh, the demon.

Buffy Summers

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Except that Supreme Court appointment actually was probably the best chance the Democrats had, since Kavanaugh believes in the strict application of the Constitution and that it's not the Supreme Court's job to legislate from the bench . But none of them bothered to look beyond the person appointing him.

The situation is not grave - this will never become a law. It's a ploy for support from ultra right wingers.
 
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Except that Supreme Court appointment actually was probably the best chance the Democrats had, since Kavanaugh believes in the strict application of the Constitution and that it's not the Supreme Court's job to legislate from the bench . But none of them bothered to look beyond the person appointing him.

The situation is not grave - this will never become a law. It's a ploy for support from ultra right wingers.
Don't count on it. The only part of the law that will be challenged is the state law superseding federal law. A lot of tyranny has come into the world and announced its intentions beforehand. Das Kapital, Mein Kampf and SB13 are all indications of what was to happen.
 

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@Taake & @Buffy Summers

I don't know the full picture about Kavanaugh and his policies or judgements. I think openly lying in front of the court before you're appointed to it should probably disqualify you but that's probably it's own discussion.

The point still stands on its own merit though I feel. A number of people voted Trump (some through gritted teeth) because they wanted a republican appointment to tip the balance of the Supreme Court, thus allowing for the prospect of greater restrictions on women's rights like those suggested here. That's why I mentioned the protests and why I feel people were too quick to dismiss them as sour grapes rather than genuine serious concern for themselves and others.

If that's not how it plays out in the end then that's good news and to be applauded.
 

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They are trying to get legislature passed which makes abortions homicide. Regardless of the situation of why the abortion was needed, it will still be considered homicide. Moreover, it would also allow for relatives to sue the woman (maybe the physician also) for damages. Wow.
I wonder how this will affect women who travel to other states to have the work done. Or whether the family members will be able to sue the out of state doctors.

I think we have the proverbial can of worms here, just begging to be opened.
 
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I feel very bad for any woman in Oklahoma who finds herself accidentally pregnant and doesn't want to have the baby, regardless of reason.

I'm thinking about moving to Oklahoma, but this does give me pause. I mean, I get being pro life but this is out of control.
 
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