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Pylea

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I think Angel is a darker show in general but for me I sometimes prefer being a lighter vibe!
S2 had such a dark vibe already that Pylea being a lot lighter was a nice shift for me!

And see here's the thing, I usually like it when shows or movies change up the pace a bit, or flips expectations on its head, but the execution has to be done right. But see I haven't rewatched Angel as much as I do Buffy, so I feel like I need to revisit the Plyea arc. Maybe get a new perspective?

Edit: @Mr. Pole : Rewatch it all you want it still doesn't fit the tone of the show.

Haha you're probably right, but it wouldn't hurt to see if age has anything to do with my change in opinions. ;)
 

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And see here's the thing, I usually like it when shows or movies change up the pace a bit, or flips expectations on its head, but the execution has to be done right. But see I haven't rewatched Angel as much as I do Buffy, so I feel like I need to revisit the Plyea arc. Maybe get a new perspective?

Maybe! I just loved the Pylea arc!
Lorne got some more backstory. Cordelia was fantastic in the Pylea Arc she became stronger as a woman & was hilarious as the princess!
The Groosalugg is super hot! & who doesn't love being introduced to queen Fred?
 
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Cordy was definitely hilarious! The episodes did have some great moments!

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I'd have to somewhat agree with @PaulParmar1 here, I think the reason I enjoy the Pylea arc is because it comes off the tail end of a very dark season. In some aspects it's darker even than Buffy S6, and so those last three episodes were a nice reprieve, a nice breather for the audience, imo.
 

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I'd have to somewhat agree with @PaulParmar1 here, I think the reason I enjoy the Pylea arc is because it comes off the tail end of a very dark season. In some aspects it's darker even than Buffy S6, and so those last three episodes were a nice reprieve, a nice breather for the audience, imo.

Agreed! + it really brought the group back together. After Angel's dark phase his ties with Cordy, gunn and Wesley weren't as strong as before. & Pylea recovered them.
 

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And see here's the thing, I usually like it when shows or movies change up the pace a bit, or flips expectations on its head, but the execution has to be done right.

Want a good example of this done right? Spin the Bottle. Season 4 chaos and sadness all around little magic spell and off we go to have a little fun. But when we get out of the spell we have to continue to face the consequences of real life. I don’t mind/actually enjoy when we have small breaks to give a small tonal change (like OMwF or Tabula Rasa).

What @Grace says has always been my problem with post epiphany Angel/Cordy. I’m also fine with the clothes and fine with the gesture on Angel’s part but it would have been nice to see the pair (and he and Wes/Gunn) work through their problems a little better rather than abruptly having them wisked away to never never land and then we never really resolve those issues?

@EarthLogic I’m on my phone and selecting for quotes is a pain but your analysis on the arc is pretty insightful. And I can really appreciate the setting and the stories being told. I also think through the looking glass has a lot of the Minear I love. But ultimately they lost me with the abrupt tonal shift and their failure to IMO deal with the fall out of the Season 2 depression and alienation.

To me it was like in BtVS Season 7 after Buffy got kicked out of the house, went back and saved the Slayers and walked straight back into her house only to start joking around with Giles and Willow. I hate when significant chasms in relationships are not properly addressed and we are supposed to forget it ever happened.

I think it’s funny that there have now been two comparisons between Pylea arc and Xena. For the record I loved Xena! ;)
 

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I always loved the Pyrea arc. It really gave one of my favourite characters, Cordy, a chance to shine and all the others go through some personal growth too. Didn’t know some people hated it until just now. It reminded me of the film The Princess Bride which I love also. Was a nice break from the darkness of this season imo.
 

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I don't know much of Hollywood, but I keep wondering what it's trying to say here. There are definite parallels between Angel meeting Cordelia on set (seeming to enjoy the sun, Cordy's outfit, cruel director, etc) and later on in Pylea, almost like a Land of Oz parallel. Makes me wonder of commentary being made.

I'm curious about Pylea itself. Is it a kingdom, a world, a dimension? Since time doesn't move differently, it's a parallel world rather than a true Hell dimension (and if anything, we were even worse, more demonic in our behavior and rituals, in our own medieval times). Perhaps as society advances, Lorne could become the norm rather than the exception of his species.

I keep thinking Angel is lucky that the sun didn't burn him when he went into pure vampire mode, as maybe it had separated them so much so that he was two beings (as there were two suns), and he was safe in human mode, but not necessarily vampire mode (and then I have to ask about vampire physics in the Buffyverse "real world" as well).

Interesting to see that hell hounds (that's what it looked like to me, the same creatures trained to attack the Prom in Buffy) can be tamed like regular dogs.

But all this serves to intrigue me.

I don't know why, but I love Fred's cave...and imagining all the others (hunters, fugitives, etc) who stumbled across her cave, and then fleeing as they're sure the math on the walls are arcane symbols and thus cursed (which ironically kept her safe rather than revealing her hideout). There'd still be beasties, but I bet she'd figure out (maybe even learn from others) musks and scents to leave about that would make beasties stay away as well.
 

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I didn’t like it the first time I saw it. It was such a departure from the usual show and it seemed to go on forever. I was so grateful when it ended.

But the more I see it the more I enjoy it, and Through the Looking Glass especially is a really good ep (and just how good was Tim Minear in S2).
Now I like the change of pace and the new setting, and it provides a good contrast to what had gone before in the great but quite dark S2

Its really funny, feels like an adventure and has lots of nice little moments
And it introduces Fred, gives Lorne some background, and sets the future path for Cordy and Wes (admittedly not all these things work out that well ! but you can't blame Pylea for that)
 
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