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Sarah Michelle Gellar Is Hopeful

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Hunga Munga

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So I watched Revelations ...and kinda enjoyed it .

One of his He-Man's structural flaws was that he was a hoofing great barbarian with a mighty sword and a giant war tiger ...in a kids cartoon . So he couldn't use his dirty great sword ...or beat anyone to death ...and Battlecat never ripped the Snake Mountain horde to pieces . So nobody really dies , even evil gits that deserve it . Well the revolving door , Eternian catch-and-release justice system finally bit them in the arse ! :p

So I wasn't that fussed whether He-Man was the focus . Most my favourite characters (no spoilers ;) ) got plenty of screen time .

I like the animation style . I enjoyed a bit more realism in the story . I liked the little easter eggs for the toy collectors .

SMG did alright as Teela , Smith worked in a (that I noticed) buffyspeak line for her .

My main criticism is they left it hanging when they've already made the conclusion . Not smart in my opinion , you can't tear it down without building it up again (in my opinion).
 

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Here's the point though. When you have more diversity in modern shows like Star Trek, etc... That's the way it should be. That's the way it should have been from the beginining. We talked about Fresh Prince before, but the problem was that was the exception not the rule in the 90s. We can debate whether these shows are just ticking boxes or not. But at the end of the day it is progress, because the more diversity we see in roles typically filled out by mostly white males the more normalised diveristy becomes in the eyes of the public. There's only so long people can slate it as being too woke. At the end of the day woke means anti-racist. And if your standing in the way of that, your part of the problem.
 
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I like diversity, and it's not a problem, and has been a long while. When it's bad, even counterproductive, that's different--and the same reason many other media isn't cared for despite no changes or no diversity.
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No, woke doesn't mean anti-racist. It includes ideas of people of certain skin colours recognizing their privileged, which is a bigoted thought process.
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I think you've missed a lot of shows - Fresh Prince is not the exception.

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because the more diversity we see in roles typically filled out by mostly white males the more normalised diveristy becomes in the eyes of the public. There's only so long people can slate it as being too woke.

Or it begins to look like black people are only getting the roles because of their skin colour and not because they earned it. That's not to say they didn't earn it fair and square, but when the woke mob are harping on about race all the time and calling everything "racist" eg milk is racist, birds are racist, dogs are racist, babies are racist, maths is racist, ice cream is racist, earthquake warnings are racist, space is racist, the police are racist etc, it begins to look like race is the predominant factor driving things including who gets roles and awards.

Even Malcolm X warned black people about the woke mob.

The same holds true for when gender becomes the driving force.

At the end of the day woke means anti-racist. And if your standing in the way of that, your part of the problem.

Anti-racist does not mean non-racist anymore than anti-clockwise means the clock has stopped. The hands are still going round, just in the opposite direction.

"Anti-racists" are racist arseholes with a saviour complex who are racist towards white people and hates any black person who doesn't fall into line and believe what the so called "anti-racist" tells them to believe aka the "anti-racist" wants them to believe they are a victim because of their skin colour and they need the "anti-racist" to save them because they are incapable of making their own success.

Getting back on topic, people are fed up of having woke garbage constantly shoved down their throat by Hollywood. Kevin Smith lied to viewers about what they would be getting and now he wonders why they're so angry about it.
 
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According to a vid I was just watching , part 2 hasn't been made yet . :eek: Bit gutted , I thought they were holding some back . Must be nailed on with that lineup though .

I like this review , kinda sums up my feelings too .Full of spoilers though ;)
I really don't get the online histrionics ...aside from the obvious shocking plot developments . I won't be truly happy til Skeletor gets his arse comprehensively kicked :p .

The Revelation toy line seems to be well received by collectors . Doubt that too many of them will be coming out of the packing box :D
 

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So I watched Revelations ...and kinda enjoyed it .

One of his He-Man's structural flaws was that he was a hoofing great barbarian with a mighty sword and a giant war tiger ...in a kids cartoon . So he couldn't use his dirty great sword ...or beat anyone to death ...and Battlecat never ripped the Snake Mountain horde to pieces . So nobody really dies , even evil gits that deserve it . Well the revolving door , Eternian catch-and-release justice system finally bit them in the arse ! :p

So I wasn't that fussed whether He-Man was the focus . Most my favourite characters (no spoilers ;) ) got plenty of screen time .

I like the animation style . I enjoyed a bit more realism in the story . I liked the little easter eggs for the toy collectors .

SMG did alright as Teela , Smith worked in a (that I noticed) buffyspeak line for her .

My main criticism is they left it hanging when they've already made the conclusion . Not smart in my opinion , you can't tear it down without building it up again (in my opinion).

It was a kids cartoon. The villains didn't exactly have depth. This was Skelators motivation
 

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from comicbooknews

We can hopefully kiss Kevin Smith's He-Man series, Masters of the Universe: Revelation, goodbye on Netflix as it is learned the show has quickly dropped out of the top ten.

YouTuber Grace Randolph has pointed out that Masters of the Universe: Revelation in its second weekend has already dropped out of the Top 10 in the U.S., not a good sign at all:
"On Netflix this week, fans sent a clear message to Kevin Smith and company who tried to spin the negative reaction last week as if it was a couple of upset fans who were review-bombing, but it's hard to argue with Masters of the Universe: Revelation disappearing out of the overall Top 10 and the Top 10 TV shows after just one week while so many other shows have stayed in the top ten for weeks on end. You know, so forget just two weeks; so I think that makes it a more serious situation. We'll see what happens with Part 2. I mean I think it's already done, right, I don't think they can reanimate it."
So with the He-Man series dropping out of the Top 10 on Netflix after only one week, what that tells us is that a lot of fans watched it when it was first released (something Smith bragged about), but not only did no one new watch the series in its second week, but those original fans didn't watch the series again, as they obviously tuned it out, which means Masters of the Universe: Revelation has a no-repeat viewability factor.

Grace also brings up a good point, and it is something I have seen other fans remark about, since everybody hated the first part of Masters of the Universe: Revelation, will Smith and the producers change Part 2? Judging from how Smith has insulted the fans and f-bombed them, I can't see it happening, unless Netflix steps in, or what probably will end up happening is that when Part 2 is released (to fewer numbers than Part 1), you'll never hear from Kevin Smith on He-Man again (and hopefully, Teddy Biaselli and Rob David).
 

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Huh. But I thought Kevin said that Netflix doesn't care about fan-whining of his show because of overall ratings?
He made that pretty clear in his massive middle finger to those people who said 'uh, actually Kev, this He-Man show doesn't really have that much He-Man in it' and he replied 'Lies! All foul lies, trust me, watch the show and behold the much He-Man stuff. He's like Jesus or something...'

The thing is the animation for this show is quite expensive; if Netflix doesn't get the views they're going to care, Kevin. Geez, can't this guy go back to when he was fat and talented already.
 

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Look, the show is okay. Maybe some people prefer to have their shows more diverse or cover topics not normally present in media. Maybe it ain;t for you. Boo hoo bitch.
 
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And some don't like having their shows warped with an agenda, and worse, with mind boggling lazy writing. I felt the same about the movie Jem and it didn't even have an agenda, message, or added diversity. If you're so easy to please, good for you
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Ah, the old 'it wasn't MADE for you so shut up' argument. Weak.

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it occurs to me that if Gellar put herself into the headspace of Teela who was so angry over being lied to should understand why many were angry at being lied to by Kevin Smith, by the title (since it seems he's only in one ep), and even by Gellar herself.

Though being angry at being lied to by blatantly false trailers and show descriptions is something I remember happening for as far back as I can remember.

But of course it's just toxic fandom. Never mind that movies that don't exploit the diversity angle get the same grief when they pull the same crap (and many with diverse cast and heroes don't), or that She-Ra was popular, or that He-Man has practically been a gay icon (whether it deserved to be or not) for DECADES now.
 

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Though being angry at being lied to by blatantly false trailers and show descriptions is something I remember happening for as far back as I can remember.
But of course it's just toxic fandom.
I think it's more than that. If the "main" character were simply killed in the first episode alone, it wouldn't be (quite) as bad, but the fact they retrieve him from "heaven" bring him back to life, only for him to be instantly killed off again - this time for real, is a larger part of the problem than just him being killed in the first place.
 

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Watched it , would watch a follow up just for Sarah , not really my sort of thing but I enjoyed it
 

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Sigh. I'm pretty sure some people cried "Emancipate Slaves, Go Broke" or "Give Women Equal Rights, Go Broke"...admittedly not quite as catchy but then they didn't have to worry about memes. In fact, Go Woke, Go Broke makes me laugh. What it means is that the people who complain about "snowflakes", "cancel culture" and "virtue signalling" signal their own righteous anger by cancelling something they don't agree with. 😜 It's social change...they'll get over it. If they don't...tough. I'd rather be awake to social injustice than poke my own eyes out with a stick trying not to see it.



No it isn't. That's how it's been weaponised by the right (perhaps not just the right) in order to position themselves as victims and in SOME cases justify their own racism but often their own lack of knowledge - such as Laurence Fox claiming Mendes' 1917 was ‘forcing diversity’ on viewers through its inclusion of a Sikh soldier when roughly 130,000 Sikh men - 20% of the British Indian Army - took part in the war. If Fox didn't know this fact then he's ignorant. If he can't imagine "British" containing "British Indians" then he's ignorant and guilty of implicit racism. Woke is knowing the phrase "Yellow Peril" is derogatory, causes problems for Eas Asians and not bandying it about in Parliament.

Woke probably comes from the black vernacular of the 1920s (so about the time of the Harlem Renaissance when black culture started to came to the fore. When black people began to openly celebrate their creativity. When black people thought their life might just get better after WW1...*laughs cynically*) - I think it's attributed to Marcus Garvey. According to Merriam-Webster woke means “aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)”. That's roughly what it originally meant. Fresh Prince is woke. It doesn't really take on negative connotations until the right launched its "War on Woke" out of fear it was losing control of narratives (about sex, gender, class and race ) it's been perpetuating for years.

And therein lies the problem. The narrative can be contained when it's only about race, when it's only about class, when it's only about gender/sexuality but when groups who share an otherness recognize their commonalty the old guard are shaken to their core.
Why are the "anti-woke" brigade so desperate to defend traditional power structures? Because there's something in it for them or because they're too frightened to confront their own fragile subjectivity? Really, it's like Giles in S7: "I used to be a highly respected watcher, and now I'm a wounded dwarf with the mystical strength of a doily. I just wish I could sleep." I understand it but my understanding's accompanied by the smallest violin ever.

What's so precious about franchises from your childhood? Genuine question. It's not as though the original will disappear in a puff of smoke.


yeah...you'd think.

Oh god where to begin?

First of all please do NOT compare genuine accomplishments for civil rights like freeing the slaves, women getting the vote to decisions made by egocentric, hack writers on the 15th reboot of a sci fi/fantasy series.

Second of all, you are the one who has swallowed a lot of propaganda if you genuinely believe that people's objections to these awful woke versions of classics like Doctor Who, Star Wars, and Star Trek is because they just don't like women or gay people or black people or have been radicalised by the alt right. PS I am a socialist.

There is a world of difference between something starring, or made by a woman and a woke piece of crap. Hell there is a world of difference between even something with a political undertone and a woke piece of crap.

A woke piece of media to start with puts its politics front and center above everything else. The story is often paper thin, the villains barely fleshed out. All that matters is using the film, television series, or comic or whatever to lecture what the writer feels are the plebs at home.

Compare the Jodie Whittaker DW episode Rosa, to a classic who story, Genesis of the Daleks to see the difference. Both are political, both have a message about the horrors of race hatred, but Genesis still has a proper story. Its characters are fully fleshed out, it goes into great detail creating the lore and history of the planet and monsters and it holds up as a thrilling story, beyond the political aspects.

Rosa meanwhile has NOTHING apart from its politics. The villain's character is paper thin, he has practically no motivation, there's no real challenge in stopping him, there's no world building, no new and clever sci fi twists, and the politics rather than being a part of the narrative, are laid out bare in a condescending manner to the viewers, with Jodie actually stopping and lecturing the audience.

The 2016 Ghostbusters follows the same problem, with a similar paper thin, boring villain, with no motivation, no lore, no world building or anything like that.

Furthermore the politics in woke media is often shallow, divisive and even downright hateful. The reason for that is because a lot of these producers, writers and directors who push identity politics are shallow glory hounds. They see the praise guys like Gene Roddenberry get today for having black characters (back in a time when it was genuinely a brave thing to do.) And they want that praise. They want to be remembered as the great men of this time. Only problem is, that simply having a black leading character, a female leading character or an LGBT leading character is not going to bother the overwhelming majority of people in this day and age.

Xena, Buffy, Blade, Red Dwarf, Charmed, Once Upon A Time, Wonder Woman, all passed without any major backlash for starring non white, LGBT and female characters. There was a bloody golden age of female singers from the late 00s-late 10s with the likes of Amy Winehouse, Adele, Emeli Sande, Paloma Faith, Lana Del Rey, Lady Gaga, Lily Allen etc. (Do you know the two top selling albums of the entire 21st century are by women, Adele and Amy, whilst the top selling one of all time is Queen greatest hits.)

Of course that's not to say there aren't genuine racists and prejudices in other ways, but these Hollywood types are too cowardly to go after genuine prejudice. (Hence their silence on guys like Harvey Weinstein.) So they adopt shallow identity politics causes to look good and stroke their egos. To be fair some of them like Steven Moffat I think are just genuinely out of touch. They are middle aged guys who DO genuinely think this is the 60s and that simply having a black woman and white man kiss will shock people. Others meanwhile just want to use identity politics to cover up their own misogyny, like Chris Hardwick, whilst some are your typical young, poseur students who adopt this crap as a way of looking political to their friends and getting a job with the guardian.

Either way the point is SJWs don't represent proper left wing politics. It is the modern day version of the Hippies at woodstock from the 60s, or the stupid shallow punk poets of the 80s. IE upper middle class, privileged egotists playing at being Che Guevaria in the most shallow, pathetic way possible, but who by their mid twenties will probably own a publishing company that their rich mummy and daddy bought them.

Naturally as a result of this anything they produce will never offer up a clever, or interesting political take. Again look at Rosa. It's politics are as shallow as can be. They are basically "all white people are horrible to all black or brown people." That's it! No deep analysis of how racist attitudes emerge, or why some people use them for their own ends, or how quick people are willing to go along with them. It's just "RACISM BAD" which is not only boring, but condescending to the viewer.

Furthermore woke pieces of media will also often have the worst female, black or LGBT characters ironically. Again the writers are in it for their own ego, so they want us to know that they are brave for having female characters. As a result they will turn them into nothing but trophies and their female characters will often go on how they are strong brave woman, rather than just show it. A black character will never shut up about how they are black, and have a chip on their shoulder against every single white character.

See here. A bit of dialogue from a woke series, the ghastly, awful Doctor Who spin off Class.

TANYA: White people.
APRIL: White people what?
TANYA: Always so optimistic. Always so certain things are going to work out for you. Oh, well, because they usually do.
APRIL: My dad tried to kill me when I was eight.

TANYA: But you got your mum up walking again. Typical white-person happy ending.

These types of scenes are not only designed to show how stunning and brave the writers are, but to annoy people so that these clowns can make out that they are facing a racist, or sexist backlash.

Of course if a woman, or a black person complains about woke bullshit, then they will just be ignored. Ironically however they do complain about them on average as much as white men do, because get this. Women and black people and other minorities, A/ don't hate white men, and B/ enjoy good fiction like the rest of us and so they don't want to be talked down to.

Finally this woke bullshit of changing a characters race and sexuality is actually counteractive to creating new female characters. Hollywood is so unoriginal, it will rarely take a risk on something new. Now however thanks to this woke bullshit, when it serves up another stale rerun, of a rerun, of a rerun, of a rerun, it can smear critics as racist, sexist and homophobic like never before. As a result we are now sadly more likely to see something as dreary and unimaginative as Batwoman, as opposed to a new and exciting female character like Buffy.

Finally when it comes to adapting old characters, sometimes you can't change their race, sexuality or gender. Whenever you adapt an old character, you have to make sure that it is still believable as the old character to some extent, or else what is the point of going back to an old character?

Now yes sometimes a characters gender, race or sexuality will be a defining aspect of their character. Not always. You have to take it on a case by case basis. Sometimes a characters sexuality has been changed and it worked as it didn't really matter to their original character, like the Penguin being made gay in Gotham. However again SJWs are never willing to discuss whether it works for a particular character. They just want it to always go their way because they are fanatics, and they only ever want any strong role for a white man to either be replaced or changed.

It is for these reasons that EVERYONE hates SJWs and woke media. It is not for one second because people just hate women or black people. Sadly that's what the media portrays it as, but that's only because the media is ironically itself sexist, racist and homophobic. This is the same media that has driven young women to early graves like Amy Winehouse. That has covered for predatory monsters like Weinstein for years. That has whipped up hatred against homosexuals during the aids crisis etc.

The media is one of the few areas of genuine institutionalised prejudice in western society left, and so in order to counteract that, it has to prop up these useless, shallow feminists and leftys, who won't actually challenge them and who they can use to say. "Look we are left wing, we have an angry feminist writing an article about mansplaining and a female Doctor Who."
 
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Since you are clearly unable to stick to the topic without going into discussion on what is or isn't woke, which l have previously asked you not to discuss. I am closing the thread. In future please remember to stick to the topic.
 
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