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So Julian Assange has been evicted

ILLYRIAN

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He was evicted from a countries state house in another country, the idiots apparent paper Wiki-leaks was detailing negative stuff about the prime minister of that country. Hence he was kicked out of the house.
 

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Once he was the darling of the left and now he's gonna be know as 'the guy who helped get Trump elected/sabotaged lovely Hillary'. His futures not looking too bright now is it?

Not that I have any sympathy. The arrogant mooch hung around somebody elses house for 7 years and apparently treated Embassy staff like crap.
 
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This is exactly what I was thinking.

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A sad day. I fully expect our government to bend over backwards to do whatever America wants. He'll be extradited and subjected to as much unpleasantness as they can get away with to set an example that revealing the crimes of America & UK is not acceptable.
 

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This is such a shame. Agree it sets a bad precdent.

Not that I have any sympathy. The arrogant mooch hung around somebody elses house for 7 years and apparently treated Embassy staff like crap.
I'm pretty sure anyone trapped in a house for 7 years would turn pretty unpleasant.
 

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Once he was the darling of the left and now he's gonna be know as 'the guy who helped get Trump elected/sabotaged lovely Hillary'. His futures not looking too bright now is it?
Once Wikileaks were the darlings of Trump.
 

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I'm pretty sure anyone trapped in a house for 7 years would turn pretty unpleasant.
Their body odor would be if nothing else.
And he trapped himself there by jumping bail, and then he abused his hosts. Which is eventually why his hosts asked him to leave.

Once Wikileaks were the darlings of Trump.
Not really. I actually doubt Trump has anything to do with the state department going after Asange, all the charges seem to originate from when Obama was POTUS. Trump seems indifferent to the news, although clearly he seized an opportunity that Assange gave him previously; that's politics.
 

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although clearly he seized an opportunity that Assange gave him previously; that's politics.
He has stated that he loves Wikileaks. That's pretty unambiguous. That's validation from a presidential candidate. He could have used the emails as political fodder and still condemned/refused to comment on the ethics of Wikileaks.
 

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He has stated that he loves Wikileaks.
But Wikileaks isn't Julian Assange. Trump has made not favorable comment about him.

He could have used the emails as political fodder and still condemned/refused to comment on the ethics of Wikileaks.
I'll be very surprised if Assange gets any actual prison time for leaking the e-mails. It's all the leaking of military intel and aiding treason that is far more serious and means hard time. And those 'crimes' were committed before Trump took office.
I see it as the leftists loving Assange as this free-thinking outlaw for exposing bad government...and then they got butt-hurt and turned on him when he leaked e-mails about the corrupt politician they happened to be backing.

I think it would be awesome if Trump pardons Assange if/when he's found guilty but before he does any jail time. Just to see the reaction from his detractors.
Of course he won't because he's incredibly pro-military. That is the inconsistency that should be pointed out. Assange hurt Trump's base before he turned around and helped the guy.
 

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I see it as the leftists loving Assange as this free-thinking outlaw for exposing bad government...and then they got butt-hurt and turned on him when he leaked e-mails about the corrupt politician they happened to be backing.
Ah! You nailed it. Absolutely nailed it.
 

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I see it as the leftists loving Assange as this free-thinking outlaw for exposing bad government...and then they got butt-hurt and turned on him when he leaked e-mails about the corrupt politician they happened to be backing.
I see it as Trump promising to drain the swamp and loving Wikileaks, and then changing his tone once he was in power. If exposing corruption is your main goal, then Wikileaks would be the perfect instrument.

The left is always going to be at odds with itself, because it contains everyone on one side of the centre. Trump is a person. He should strive towards some consistency.
 

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Except when you're actually president you realize leaking sensitive material is a problem. Leaking wrongdoing by people in office is one thing, but leaking military secrets is another. Trump as president doesn't need Wikileaks, he has the DOJ to investigate and expose corruption.
 

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One thing about creating secret documents is that there is no vetting process for what is allowed to be classified. I could create a grocery list on a page, label it SECRET in block letters in the appropriate font at the top and bottom, register it with the security people in the company or government office I was working at and it would be classified unless it got revealed through other means. This means security classification could be used to cover up wrongdoing as well as legitimate military secrets. I support Wikileaks for revealing the information that a democracy needs to know to permit the voters to vote intelligently.

When I was working on defence systems against laser-guided missiles, our company needed to simulate the missile and we knew there was an allowed dropout level for number of pulses of light on target but we didn't know what the number was and we were not allowed to get that information in Canada. Then we had a moment that could only happen in the movies - Aviation Week and Space Technology described the missile in one article that had the information we needed a few weeks after we went looking for it. That particular magazine had been cited for security violations on four separate occasions (at the time) and I don't know if our information was the fifth. That was a fun project - I was playing both sides of the chessboard by designing the missile simulator and the defence system. No one could accuse us of any security breach because it had already been breached for us.

Apparently Assange is going to be charged with breaching a classified server rather than obtaining secret documents because if charged with the latter, it would have to go to a secret court to describe the evidence of what was stolen. He is also facing rape charges in Sweden, so it could be a case of first come, first served as far as extradition is concerned. But the AW&ST case shows one aspect of security that is strange but true - if someone puts secure information in the public domain, no one can be charged with violations of the Official Secrets Act by using or propagating it further. This is going to be a case like the one against Al Capone - they got him for tax evasion rather than all the other nefarious stuff he did.
 

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There's not a small chunk of hypocrisy going on here - when the Washington Post published the Pentagon Papers it was commendable; when Julian Assange publishes the same type of information he's arrested. Especially when Obama pardoned the person who actually stole the classified documents.
 

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He is also facing rape charges in Sweden, so it could be a case of first come, first served as far as extradition is concerned..
That case was closed in 2017. It could be re-opened, but for now he’s not facing anything here.
 

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This is going to be a case like the one against Al Capone - they got him for tax evasion rather than all the other nefarious stuff he did.
He pissed off the left. And now they've gathered their forces to destroy him. The left is no longer peaceful hippies, stoned musicians, and head shops. They've become judge, jury, and executioner. After Julian released Killary's emails, his days were numbered. He's going down. And to think, it used to be the the right, the "Moral Majority," who were viewed as tight-assed, retaliatory little crybabies. Now it's the left. Who would've thought...it's like Venus and Mars suddenly switched positions in the sky...

There's no question that Obama and Killary are behind this. Amongst others, of course.
 

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He pissed off the left. And now they've gathered their forces to destroy him. The left is no longer peaceful hippies, stoned musicians, and head shops. They've become judge, jury, and executioner. After Julian released Killary's emails, his days were numbered.
What are you on about? There hasn't been a left wing government in either the UK or USA in my lifetime. The only people supporting the position that he shouldn't be extradited to face potential brutality in America in our Parliament are the left wing opposition.
 
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The Right in the USA undergo intensive brainwashing that anything not far right wing extremism is Left and socialism, and even comparing say single payer healthcare with Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia. I'll spare you the paragraphs
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Where you born after the reign of Tony Blair? NL was still a left wing government.

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What are you on about? There hasn't been a left wing government in either the UK or USA in my lifetime. The only people supporting the position that he shouldn't be extradited to face potential brutality in America in our Parliament are the left wing opposition.
By "left wing" I'm not referring to government, actually. I meant the media, who frequently skewer people like Trump; news organisations broadcast negative stories on a regular basis etc, etc.
 

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I've never heard anyone describe New Labour and New Public Management as leftist.
But...New Labour was left wing; certainly most of their social policies were. Plenty of people in Britain consider them leftist.
Economically they were more mixed but high tax and spend big was their go to solution for everything.
 
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