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Some thoughts on Oz

thrasherpix

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Werewolf Hunter:


Not shown:

Van Helsing: [chokes Anna] Why?!
Anna Valerious: You're choking me!
Van Helsing: Give me a reason not to.
Anna Valerious: I can't. If people knew...
Van Helsing: [lets go of Anna's neck] He's not your brother anymore, Anna!
Anna Valerious: You knew?
Van Helsing: Yes.
Anna Valerious: Before or after I stopped you from shooting him?
Van Helsing: Before.
Anna Valerious: And still you tried to kill him!
Van Helsing: He's a werewolf! He's going to kill people!
Anna Valerious: He can't help it! It's not his fault!
Van Helsing: I know, but he'll do it anyway!
It doesn't surprise me that there doesn't seem to be any werewolf treatment centers save by volunteers, and by Angel when he takes over Wolfram & Hart. And once someone is dehumanized, people will do the most amazing evils on them and then be surprised when others question their innate goodness, and even take selfies of themselves doing horrible things (sometimes it being their job paid for with taxes).

Human nature is quite demonic. I dare say many sociopaths are normal people just out of synch with the rest of society and so target the "wrong people" or do so in "unorthodox ways." People talk about kids being corrupted by music and video games (though I know it's often to deflect the guilt for leaving the kids to their own devices so much rather than parenting, not to advocate helicopter parenting here, if anything the neglectful parent is probably better than the smothering one) when for thousands of years kids joined the festive adults in watching live executions (and I bet the crowds would boo if the condemned was save at the last minute by a pardon, unless another took the condemned's place). You probably revere some of these historical figures, many who did far worse than that. To think tar & feathering (which was a good way to cripple someone for life) was actually considered tame back in the days when American Revolutionaries practiced this barbarity. I'm not saying we are pure monsters or demons, but Holland Manners in the elevator with Angel was still right about humanity overall.

If anyone suddenly didn't have any rights anymore and it was not a crime to kill them...their days would be numbered, whether they were a danger or not, whether they provoked anyone or not.

And to imagine if that person was a werewolf who could spread their curse...very likely many hunted werewolves for the same reason others hunted vampires (trauma and loss). There seemed to be no real alternative until season 5 Angel (and even then it comes to light that many wealthy people eat werewolves...and I could see humanity doing that, especially the wealthy, particularly the kind that gladly pay Wolfram & Hart to handle their affairs).
 

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Is there anywhere I can get a People for the Ethical Treatment of Werewolves t-shirt? After Gib Cain talked about it, I realised that I firmly belonged in that camp and I definitely want one!!!
 

Altoz

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Are any of you familiar with the UK version of Being Human? It has a Bristol/Welsh-based flat for a male vampire (Mitchell), male werewolf (George) and female ghost (Annie). Anyhow, one of the underlying dramatic tensions in that series is that werewolves and vampires can't stand each other- vampires make derogatory remarks about werewolf body odour and beat them up on occasion. Also, Russell Tovey (yum yum yum!) plays George in three out of the four series. And very considerately gets nekkid every time he has to turn lyco, otherwise his clothing bills would be astronomical. No werewolf hunters. Mitchell is a nice type for a vampire, but he's an exception. Definitely recommend it to Buffy fans.
 

GaviGrimm

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Oz was never a main character really, but I loved him a lot. He was so good to Willow until right before he left. Tara was so sweet too. I think Willow probably had the best partners throughout the whole series.
 

Honoria Dedlock

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Oz is great as a male foil for Xander...in season 3, having a level headed stand up guy like Oz around really highlighted how immature and nasty Xander was by comparison. I remember in one episode Oz even directly tells Xander "you're a troubled little man" or something to that effect. Also remember him labelling Cordelia an angry little woman lol 😂
 

GaviGrimm

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Oz is great as a male foil for Xander...in season 3, having a level headed stand up guy like Oz around really highlighted how immature and nasty Xander was by comparison. I remember in one episode Oz even directly tells Xander "you're a troubled little man" or something to that effect. Also remember him labelling Cordelia an angry little woman lol 😂
I agree! Honestly, watching Buffy as a kid I never realized how bad Xander was. When I rewatch it as an adult, I get so mad. He doesn't even try to hide it. But he has some "redeeming" moments.
 

thrasherpix

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Uh, oh, Cain just posted a counter-vid to the one put out by the People for the Ethical Treatment of Werewolves:


And Oz thought it was bad when Willow barged in... :eek:
 
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