For me, Sprusilla show that vampires are capable of love, albeit in their own way. The show tries to push "you can't love without a soul" by having Buffy say it, yet both Drusilla and Spike have practically turned round and gone "actually yes we can". It might not necessarily be 100% human definition of love but it is love nonetheless.I've always thought that the fact that Spike stayed loyal, protective, and supportive of Dru, no matter how unfaithful she was to him, or how downright looney she was, said a whole lot more for his character as a man than any amount of murder and chaos he might have been responsible for as a monster.
How do you consider Sprusilla "abusive"?I have mixed feelings about Dru, however. Everyone talks about how mutually destructive Spuffy was for the few months in Season 6, but no one ever points out how abusive Sprucilla was for decades.
You still aren't understanding the big picture all the way, sorry.I like the way I understand the show thankyouverymuch.
I will never see Drusilla as a victim. The human she was sired from was a victim, but as a demon, she isn't anymore a victim than other vampires are.
We mostly get to see the Whirlwind as a three-piece, such as in S2 of BtVS and in "Destiny." The dynamic is very different here than it would have been when Darla was present. In "Destiny," Angelus talks about how he's been used to being the only rooster in the hen house. Drusilla clearly enjoys that position, too. When Darla is gone, she is the centre of attention.
We see in B, B, and B that an angry Drusilla is enough to give Angel pause.
He doesn't victimise her. He buys her gifts and cuddles her. It looks like very comfortable abuse.
Dru likes being the centre of attention but its possible it feeds into a fantasy of hers. In School Hard, she says to Spike "I'm a princess!" to which he replies "That's what you are". In Darla, when she gets "permission" to make a playmate, she says the she's going to choose "the bravest knight in all the land" and she picks Spike.Drusilla is not Angel's puppet. She loves having her "two boys fightin' over [her] and all." In "What's My Line,"
But again, if Angelus has trained Dru to respond to him in that way, then as far as she's concerned she's just doing what she's been taught do. She's not thinking about how it makes Spike feel because Angelus trained her before she even met Spike. She's just being obedient and getting praise and attention for it.[/QUOTE]Angel tells Spike that he used to take his time with the foreplay, as Drusilla likes being teased, and once he loses his soul, he is all over her, treating her like a princess and climbing her belly with his fingers. Of course, a big part of his motivation is to torture Spike, but she doesn't care.
If Spike being in a wheelchair was such a big issue to Dru then she would've just ditched him but she didn't. She takes an active role in caring for him of her own free will and continues to sleep with him. She CHOOSES to sleep with Spike, she sleeps with Angelus because she's been TAUGHT to do that (especially when Darla isn't around and Angelus wants a bed warmer).To her, to men are better than one, especially when one is in a wheelchair.
Dru is a lot more dangerous than people give her credit for. I'd even probably say that Angelus is wary of having her as an enemy hence why he likes to keep her under control. She put up a good fight against Spike and he didn't want to hurt her (though was prepared to), Angelus chose to back off rather than take on Dru over Xander.It is easy to infalize Drusilla, because she seems so frail and spends most of S2 in inaction, but she is really quite clever and extremely formidable.
She is still Angelus' victim. The whole reason he sired her was because death is "merciful" and he wanted her torment to last forever. Given how "chaste and pure" Dru was before she was sired, then Angelus training her to be his own personal whore would be the "finishing touches" to what he considers his "masterpiece".I will never see Drusilla as a victim. The human she was sired from was a victim, but as a demon, she isn't anymore a victim than other vampires are.
Angelus uses her as a bed warmer when Darla isn't around. In fact, it could be that which upsets Spike the most. Spike genuinely cares for Drusilla whereas Angelus doesn't, so to see her be used so shamelessly and being unable to do anything about it would hurt like hell. Angelus' taunting of Spike is basically rubbing it in his face that Angelus can use Dru as he pleases and Spike is powerless to stop him. Dru doesn't realise Angelus is just using her because she's been conditioned to just accept whatever he wants to do to her because that's just how it's meant to be. Spike doesn't share that view so he sees it for what it is which is why he doesn't blame Dru for Angelus but is quick to call her out on the chaos demon. It is two completely different situations.We mostly get to see the Whirlwind as a three-piece, such as in S2 of BtVS and in "Destiny." The dynamic is very different here than it would have been when Darla was present. In "Destiny," Angelus talks about how he's been used to being the only rooster in the hen house. Drusilla clearly enjoys that position, too. When Darla is gone, she is the centre of attention.
Which is why Angelus wants to keep her under control because if she turned nasty on him, there's a good chance he'd come off worse, especially as she would have reason to hate him.We see in B, B, and B that an angry Drusilla is enough to give Angel pause.
Who are you referring to here, Spike or Angelus?He doesn't victimise her. He buys her gifts and cuddles her. It looks like very comfortable abuse.
I don't think Drusilla has Stockholm syndrome, Angelus has just trained her to accept his abuse and then thank him for it.Drusilla isn't a real person with a mental disorder. She is a fictional character, suffering from a highly romanticized form of insanity. It is the same disorder that all those pale waifs from gothic fiction novels suffer from.
Do you think anyone who has actually been kidnapped would look at Drusilla and find it to be a good faith portrayal of the kind of emotional dependence someone can develop to their abductor? Like, "Yeah, he would come home and feed me an organ he had ripped out of someone on the way home, and then I would dance around my flower garden a bit and say something cryptice to my dolls, before the two of us would crawl onto the floor and moan like animals." Text-book Stockholm Syndrome.
Also this is the Sprusilla love thread, NOT the Unnecessary, dense, bashing of Sprusilla.
You still aren't understanding the big picture all the way, sorry.
Please don’t condescend other members about what they do of don’t understand or tell them where to post. You’re making attacks against a member, rather than their opinions, which is not allowed.You don't understand mental disorders
I would agree - if they weren't both so messed up to the point where a lot of it was just how the expressed affection for each other or the fact Dru is unstable. They are both monsters and in a way they deserve each other.I have mixed feelings about Dru, however. Everyone talks about how mutually destructive Spuffy was for the few months in Season 6, but no one ever points out how abusive Sprucilla was for decades.
I wouldn't say anybody has been overly negative of Sprusilla in this thread. Sometimes it's good to have differing viewpoints as it promotes discussion and gives opportunity to present your case as to why you think about Sprusilla the way you do. I'd quite happily talk about Sprusilla all day because they are one of the longest-running couples in the Buffyverse (110+ years) and in my view the best pairing on the show with fantastic chemistry.May we please be positive?????
I'm trying but they are evil vampires, there is only so much good things you can say...May we please be positive?????
I think Dru is more switched on than she presents herself to be. She does have that element of madness to her throughout all her appearances, but in Season 2 she just seems more "with it" than she does in later appearances (I'm talking in terms of episodes). She does have her moments when she flips out over seemingly innocuous things eg the flowers being "wrong" but she's more dangerous and less kooky in Buffy Season 2 (when the focus is on her, Spike and Angelus) than she is in Angel Season 2 (where the focus is on Darla and Dru is essentially the sidekick).I'm trying but they are evil vampires, there is only so much good things you can say...
I don't dislike Sprusilla, it's actually one of the most entertaining relationships in the show, but they are evil, and their relationship isn't as straightforward as Bangel for example.
Also with one of them being insane, it's more difficult to understand what is right and wrong in a relationship. It's an interesting discussion but it's difficult to talk about the good things without talking about the bad because it's fairly complex.