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The War On Drugs

HoppyHippy

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I know a few who have gone that way. I was not interested in it for myself, too risky. One is a elderly neighbour who gets them in his hip. The pain was reduced for him, the hip so damaged he needs a double hip replacement. He has just got back from his weed run himself haha. He still uses cannabis to manage pain as well as having the injection. My stepsister got them in her shoulder, but now is also at the stage that she needs a total reconstruction for the area. It does take the pain away - but it can be at the cost of more damage to the area - because they couldn't feel when they needed to rest. I have friend (who is a real friend and might move here soon! :D) was offered one for her shoulder after a few weeks on oxy. She declined and the pain relieved on its own. They didn't know what caused that for her.

I do not know as much about them in the spine. I have a horse riding contact who was paralysed after getting an epidural for childbirth - anything in that area is dangerous. Another horse riding contact who blew a disc about 7 months back and had the injection. She is now riding and competing again, and so far seems happy with it, but also takes daily Lyrica and multiple medications (which she proudly displayed on fb for a while). She hasnt lived long with the pain.

Chiro is my cure. I won't delve into the mind and pain medication again. Ever.
 

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Hmmm. I think I'll put off that shot. Its my SPINE ffs and I don't want to take any chances. The pain shoots down my back, and continues down my leg(s). God forbid I sit down the wrong way and hit the sciatic nerve! Unbearable. Just torture. Meh. We'll see what happens...
 
HoppyHippy
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Chiro gives instant relief to sciatica for me. I am going tomorrow :D

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What type of drugs do you mean, if you do start the war on drugs you'd need to be a bloody good shot with a rifle to kill each tablet.
 
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Glad you have joined the discussion and I will reply as soon as I replace my sick PC...

HoppyHippy

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This is super weird. I have been med free for a couple weeks now, and there are SO many changes in my body, it's really freaking bizarre! Things like - my eyeballs. I can move them. When I was medicated I seemed to literally have tunnel vision, I could not move my eyeballs out of their central position, I moved my head to look to the side instead of moving my eyes. Now my eyes move freely, I can peep out of the corner of my eye. I dont bump into people and things nearly as much, neck pain is incredibly decreased (which releases the lower back) because I can move my eyeballs and SEE! I really had NO idea that this kind of thing happened, as most I communicated with on these topics have not got to the med free point yet. It freaking WEIRD MATE!

Another thing is balance. I have only had one major fall in the last 2 weeks. I have even been up and down ladders :eek:. I sleep through the entire night, which I have not done since I was a teenager! Its so so so weird to go to sleep at night and wake up in the morning, instead of getting up 6-16 times for a wee. I get tired at night and I sleep. I also love my daily shower routine. There were times when I was in psychiatric care that I did not shower for 3 weeks, the water was THAT painful on my skin. I wake at the same time each morning and its a nice wake up , like, "YAY! Another day WOOT!" Instead of waking up and dragging myself harshly into functioning. I can breathe through my nose. My sense of taste and smell has returned. This makes cooking an absolute joy! My throat is clearing, I can communicate with people around me, I know words again :p

Heaps of childhood memories are flooding back, in crazy ways. Its like all of my happiness was filed away, and now the filing cabinet has fallen over and I can connect with who I was in those happy times. That kind of connection is impossible on medication. I can play music and sing again. I can SEE all of creation and that it is here for enjoyment, not suffering.

The nausea and pain are the kind of things you dont realise were so bad, until they are gone. Its such a difference in quality of life for those things to be managed appropriately. I can also hear when my body needs to rest - I could not before and its why I kept re-injuring myself and why it has taken so long for me to find health again. Obviously a way to go in returning to full health but geez, there are just so many changes I did not expect! Its fantastic.

Last night our police advertised their latest "WIN" on social media. They raided a 27 year old mothers house for a stick of weed and a juice bottle bong, parading it about with pride like they have killed Hitler. This country is the upsidedown. I am just glad I am off that poison and into a healthy lifestyle.
 

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Actually I can relate to a couple of things there. My balance system is pretty well stuffed, I often fall a couple of times a day but it depends on what is near. I quit all medications by hospital pain management, I went there to manage the pain not to take masses of pain killers plus some of them doctors are flaming stupid. I rather ne reduced to tears a few times a day than take the tablets. Plus I use the mind to stop most pain.
 

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I still muddle through in my head hoping to find social solutions to this.

If aussie made it easier for people to become doctors to go on to specialise, would that help things? Right now in australia we have so many overworked docs who are making deadly mistakes. If we lightened the load for them, would they make less? Would they be able to correctly diagnose? Could we have more nurses in specialist fields who can do the lowly client maintenance instead of telling GP's to handle chronic conditions? Many GPs appear to get sick of the patients coming back and asking for management so often that they do refer to psychiatry. It would destroy the psychiatric industry in this state if patients needs were actually addressed in the medical field. It is easier to be come a psychiatrist than a general practitioner. The bar is super super high for aussie bred doctors. I had a friend who tried to pass the personality test straight out of high school, after being dux in the top school in the state, and failed. So she went on to be a scientist instead. The weak link is the care industry. Don't get me wrong, I am not hating on the workers, I am hating on the system. There wouldn't be a need for this excessive drug creating if doctors were not using them so excessively. And I say again, perhaps this problem is worse here than overseas. The papers say the psychiatric prescriptions kill more people here than the US. We are a much smaller population! Its a big impact.

Can we intertwine alternative care to an extent? In my state alternative is deemed "useless" it is very very rare for people to suggest it, doctors NEVER suggest it and those who practice keep it under wraps as the stigma is terrible.

Does anyone live where the balance is better?
 

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Life is completely different unmedicated. So bizarre to learn to live without them interfering daily. So many side effects that I thought were me, and wernt. I know people hate hormonal conversation but it is a MAJOR part of it. I dont know what these drugs did to my womanly hormones on a chemical level, but I do know they royally messed me up.

The last few days I have been super conscious of my energy. I shine too bright and burn myself out when around real people. This seems why low energy/vampires people are attracted to me. And buffy boards bears the brunt of me being drained. I am learning how to regulate it, a skill I should have been allowed to master in my teens, but the meds cut off conscious connection to it.


Its super interesting to me, learning how to regulate it with animals. I have previous taught others about the basics with horses. Horses give big reactions to little amounts of human energy, so it was easier to gauge and regulate when I was in daily contact with them. I was not aware of it in myself but my horses gave me clues as to how to contain it. I would see my horse in the morning and she would make me aware of what I was radiating with her reaction to me. I havent had contact with horses through the whole withdrawal, I was completely cut off from any regulation skills.

The rabbits are highly reactive, and it was harder for me to connect with. I can influence them better in energy communication now (looking for a better word for that). The problem with loving myself and abilities more, is that they do too! Little snuggles get up to mischief when I dont give them the downtime cuddles they think I need.

Just in awe of the wonders of life when I can actually feel it. I am still deeply disturbed by what happened to me and so many i know. Life gets better off the poison. I am so glad its not too late for me to change direction. Its not too late for the others locked in lifelong med struggle either. Dont believe the lies that big pharma spread as truth. The psychiatric medications are a myth.
 
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I hope to be back soon with a new PC with still much to discuss but, for now, I wanted to share an (BILD newspaper Germany) article on a related subject that is written with strange overtones in the sentence structure that are obvious and pointing to the reason. Comments are appreciated...

PAIN...part one (of a series)
We get to know pain in the course of life and we discover it's importance. It helps us to survive. It can also make our lives unbearable. How does this all fit together and what can we do about it? In the big new 'Pain Series' BILD explains...
written by Ralf Klostermann

Q--WHY IS PAIN SO IMPORTANT TO US?
A--Because it warns us of bad mistakes and protects us... Professor Hartmut Göbel: 'We call this type of pain Biological Pain because it gives us important information about our environment such as the reason children should not touch a hot stove and burn themsleves, why women should not wear high heels and quickly develop pain, and why men should not sleep on a mattress that is too firm and develop back pains.

Q--ARE WE BORN WITH THE ABILITY TO SENSE PAIN?
A--Yes, the ability to sense pain is inborn and a part of a healthy lifestyle! Our entire lives we learn to avoid pain. That is the reason we build stairs with handrails so we do not fall and experience pain and why we blow on hot food and do not burn our mouths.

Q--ARE THERE ALSO PAINS WITHOUT PURPOSE?
A—Yes! Experts call 'Pathological Pain' a pain with no meaning of warning to us and are senseless and illogical. For example: Headaches, back pain, and tumor pains (of cancer victims).

BTW:
-Women are more sensitive to pain than men. Professor Göbel: Men view pain more in a mechanical way as in a (car) part that breaks down. Women feel pain much more intensive than men and visit the doctor more often which is why they live longer.
-Those with a genetic defect that do not sense pain rarely reach the age of 20 years because their bodies cannot tolerate it. Without the 'warning system' of pain such patients injure themselves too often and too intensely causing premature death.
 

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Ayko,
where did you get that load of drivel from, to say that women are more sensitive to pain than men is not correct. To say that people who do not sense pain as much as others do is bad for you or those who do not sense pain as others do may cause an early death.
Each to their own I say.
Pains without purpose? A pathological pain such as a headache, back pain or tumor pain. That depends on why the pain exists is the headache because the head has been hit or the eye-glasses are out of line or a blood vessel has burst in the brain.
More could be said that would indicate Ralf Klostermann or that other guy just like to see their names in print.
 

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Ayko,
where did you get that load of drivel from, to say that women are more sensitive to pain than men is not correct. To say that people who do not sense pain as much as others do is bad for you or those who do not sense pain as others do may cause an early death.
Each to their own I say.
Pains without purpose? A pathological pain such as a headache, back pain or tumor pain. That depends on why the pain exists is the headache because the head has been hit or the eye-glasses are out of line or a blood vessel has burst in the brain.
More could be said that would indicate Ralf Klostermann or that other guy just like to see their names in print.
Remember, ILLYRIAN, that I only translated the article taken from the German BILD newspaper. I did it because of the underground of drugs that these so called journalists themselves live in (that I claim imo) and their writings show it. And you are right, Klostermann and Göbel are more than just crazy plus, the irresponsibility of the newspaper and the editors that okayed it for print need help, if you ask me. I was just looking for someone like you to verify their insanity. Thanks.
 

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Germany is famous for their beer and consider themselves a pioneer of beer. The most popular beer (in Germany) is Bitburger Pils (official beer of the 24). Bitburger also offers 'Bitburger Pils 0.0' that has no alcohol (whatever that is for because it is definitely not because of flavor or good taste) that is only rivaled by 'Bitburger Drive' with half the alcohol (2.4% instead 4.8) and, as the name suggests, is advised for beer drinkers that drive and cannot drink half as much beer or none (in which case they should be drinking 'Bitburger 0.0'?!). Obviously, too many involved have had enough drugs/alcohol. That will definitely be one for the history books...
 
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I had a bitburger phase!

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I'll willingly die in battle against psychiatric drugs.



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I'd hope I live to see the Doctors hang. Although maybe giving them 'a taste of their own medicine' would be a fate worse than death.
Wow. I read your open letter, and I'm so, so sorry that you had such a horrible experience. I can't imagine what hell that was for you. But (and you must have known there was a "but" coming), I would have been dead years ago without psychiatric drugs. I have a major mood disorder, and antidepressants keep it relatively under control. I also use Ativan to break out of a cycle of churning on suicidal thoughts. I wouldn't willingly die in battle for psychiatric drugs, but I'd be dead without them.
 
Ayko
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I disagree that you would have died without (psychiatric) drugs.
thrasherpix
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I was just reading about Ativan (I know someone who takes it for anxiety) and read it could increase the chance of suicide (possibly due to disinhibition), not prevent it. I'm posting here to not shine a spotlight on you in case you want to drop it.

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@Ayko I should not have posted here about my experience. I imagine it felt very invalidating, and I’m sorry.
 
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You are free to post here.
ILLYRIAN
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Oh I disagree with brinkster130, you have to pay us although the payment is virtual as this is online. Hmm, maybe brinsker130 was right! I Guess you shouldn't read this.
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I'm skeptical of psyche meds--and anything controlled by Wall Street--and can think you might be wrong, I know it could be me who is wrong--and likely so in specific situations even if I'm generally correct--and don't want anyone to silence you.

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Ayko I disagree that you would have died without (psychiatric) drugs.

Maybe you shouldn't judge others' experiences this way? You have no idea how anyone else feels/what they're going through/how close they came to ending their life and if they feel/know that psychiatric drugs prevented them from dying, who are you to judge/tell them that their experiences are invalid/that you don't believe them?

Some people do fine without the assist of pharmaceutical or psychiatric drugs. Others need them in order to function, recover and/or save their own lives. You don't get to tell them that you don't believe in their experiences or invalidate their experience just because your experiences differed to theirs.
 
ILLYRIAN
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I disagreed with your first line the realised he had not actually died without the drugs. The second paragraph is what should be said to doctors.

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I quit the medication the doctors gave me, I used to take painkillers for the pain of pins and needles permanently. I still get that pain and often I cry when it gets to much but most the time I control what I feel by power of the mind, magic, call it what you will. I kept changing the painkillers used as I didn't want to get hooked on any one specific kind.
It has been said that I want to marry the medical profession, then those folk see that I am holding up the finger next to the one for my wedding band.
 

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@Ayko I should not have posted here about my experience. I imagine it felt very invalidating, and I’m sorry.
Ayko I disagree that you would have died without (psychiatric) drugs.

Maybe you shouldn't judge others' experiences this way? You have no idea how anyone else feels/what they're going through/how close they came to ending their life and if they feel/know that psychiatric drugs prevented them from dying, who are you to judge/tell them that their experiences are invalid/that you don't believe them?

Some people do fine without the assist of pharmaceutical or psychiatric drugs. Others need them in order to function, recover and/or save their own lives. You don't get to tell them that you don't believe in their experiences or invalidate their experience just because your experiences differed to theirs.
Slow down, please. I said that I disagree and meant in a general way without knowing the particulars which means I could be wrong and I am in no way judging anyone's experiences. I disagree but you could easily prove me wrong in a mature discussion without attempting to provoke a fight. All I meant is that there are so many alternative therapies to such medication that Society, in general, ignores. I would never pretend to know the ins and outs of any individual case or play doctor. I apologize if you felt I was making a diagnosis. I should have expanded on my point but, my PC is sick and I have little time online right now. Sorry, no insult or 'I-know-it-all-better' intended there at all.

@dstaraster Please feel free to express yourself naturally at anytime (repectfully of course) :)
 

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All these experiences and beliefs can be true at the same time, even if they are very different.

People abuse drugs. Doctors abuse the drugs they give. Alternatives are often overlooked. Drugs can help people. Doctors can help people.

Obviously it's much harder said than done, but people need to find whats best for them. What actually helps and works for their mind and body. No one way is going to work for everyone.
 
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