"Mist... cemetery... Halloween. Should end well."
- Apr 12, 2019
I'm with Buffy here. It's not a minor transgression and initially Anya didn't show remorse publicly.
I agree and disagree. In regards to Spike, he was so much better when he was evil and with Dru. He wasn't Buffy's lap dog. With, Angel, his soul makes the redemption storyline work and he should be the ONLY souled vampire in the Buffyverse.Seeking redemption is for pussies. It doesn't automatically make someone noble and wonderful. Combined, Spike and Angel killed far more people than Anya ever did. Either way, she didn't kill for pleasure, like Spike and Angel. She tormented men who had wronged women, which I support wholehearted.
Anya was a vengence demon for 1000 years. Her body count is going to be higher simply because of that.I agree and disagree. In regards to Spike, he was so much better when he was evil and with Dru. He wasn't Buffy's lap dog. With, Angel, his soul makes the redemption storyline work and he should be the ONLY souled vampire in the Buffyverse.
In regards to Anya, I don't think she was picky over who her clients were. A man could've left a woman because she was a batshit crazy bunny boiler, yet Anya would carry out the woman's vengeance on the man for daring to leave her. It's all a matter of perspective.
Totally agree but I still give a point to @Athene, maybe it would have been better to have Buffy warning/having an intervention with Anya after Beneath You, you know, as a courtesy. I very much doubt that it would have changed anything because Anya wasn't ready to understand that she was still hurting and grieving her lost engagement and not really wanting to be a vengeance demon again. But at least we could claim that she had a fair warning - although I totally see your point about Buffy mentioning the trust issue to Anya in the last episodes of S6.I'm with Buffy.
A lot of people accuse Buffy of "rushing into things" with Anya, or not giving "Anya a chance" for rehabilitation like she did Angel/Spike, or being hypocritical as it took her "much longer" to kill Angelus etc. However, this is all factually untrue. At the beginning of "Selfless" Buffy tells Xander that "there's definitely a vengeance vibe worth worrying about" which is evidence that Buffy was indeed expressing concern about Anya's work prior to the fraternity massacre and that she had been worrying about it. This is later confirmed by Buffy herself when she tells Xander that "the thought it might come to this has crossed [her] mind before." In fact, when she tells him it's "crossed [his] mind too", he doesn't even deny it. Furthermore, Buffy has known that Anya was a vengeance demon again since "Villains" and she had already expressed a distrust for Anya and her intentions in "Two to Go" when she asked Anya pointblank as to whether or not she could be trusted ("Anya I need to know what side of this you're gonna be on"). Since then, not only did Buffy let Anya operate both locally and globally as a vengeance demon again for at least 3 months, but she did nothing to stop Anya in "Beneath You" when it's revealed that Anya turned Ronnie into the monstrous worm demon. Ronnie killed an innocent dog and almost killed Xander and Nancy; not to mention nearly dying himself. Anya also expressed in this episode a clear and worrying disdain for humans and devoted loyalty to the vengeance cause.
So, no, Buffy didn't "rush into things" with Anya. Buffy allowed Anya free reign whilst her spells continued to escalate and the only reason Buffy did that is because Buffy was trying to avoid an inevitable confrontation. Buffy stakes vampires for much less.
I also think Buffy was pretty spot on in nailing the fundamental difference between Anya and Angel/Spike. Anya chose to become a demon twice. Whilst Angel and Spike were victims too "once upon a time" ("Damage".) Whilst both vampires are capable of some terrible atrocities, neither of them chose to be monsters knowingly and both of them were severely handicapped by the lack of a soul. Not only did Anya display a consistent lack of remorse for her victims throughout her time as a human but Anya clearly demonstrated in this episode that as a demon she was perfectly capable of not just remorse ("What have I done?") but also the ability to do the right thing ("I take it back"). Whilst this ultimately ends with Anya offering up her own life in exchange and doing the right thing, it also demonstrates that Anya committed her atrocities and bloodshed all the while having the capability to distinguish from right and wrong and choose a more moral and heroic path. That makes her crimes far worse than Angel or Spike's, IMO, and it makes her choice to be a demon again much worse too.
So I don't blame Buffy at all for believing that she needed to slay Anya. Anya just slaughtered 12 young men. Buffy would be horribly irresponsible if she didn't go after Anya. And leaving aside the fact that I don't think there's much difference between how Buffy behaved with Angel/us and how she behaved here with Anya, even if there were, is this a sign of hypocrisy on Buffy's behalf or just a sign of growth? Buffy learnt the hard way in Season 2 that her inability to kill Angelus cost a lot of lives (including Jenny's -- "I'm sorry I couldn't kill him for you. For her. When I had the chance...") and after "Passion" Buffy made a real, proactive effort to hunt down and stop Angelus even at the cost of her own health (she literally faints in "Killed By Death" because she's so sick and won't rest). It's not hypocrisy if Buffy has learnt from that tragedy and has vowed to stop Anya before history repeats itself and things escalate even further. In her eyes, her hesitance to stop Anya earlier, despite clearly expressing concern about Anya's activities earlier in the episode, just cost 12 young people their lives. I'm not so quick to accuse characters of being "hypocrites" just because they change their behaviour and learn from their behaviour 5 years after behaving differently.
IMO, Xander was being a hypocrite, albeit a very understandable one. Buffy was absolutely justified to throw the Angelus saga back in his face after his cold, ruthless and insensitive cheerleading of Angel's demise.