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Wes and Lilah

thrasherpix

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Not sure how to put this. I liked it better than most ships, but that doesn't mean it was healthy or anything. There was a complexity there that felt more true rather than blind, passionate love. Sometimes the simple ways they'd do favors for each other in surprising ways made the stories more interesting and got me to think more on their characters. One of the few genuine "awww" moments I had in the entire Jossverse was when Wes tried to burn her contract with Wolfram & Hart, actually making it a top priority despite the potentially eternal dangers he was putting himself in. (I wondered then if he then realized why Oz settled the question on whether to trade the box for Willow in s3 Buffy.)

Even so, you won't find me looking for Weslah fics, let alone writing it. And I see it as more of a "seasoning" for the story rather than integral to it as say Bangel and Spuffy was in Angel, or even Fred's love triangle thing.
 

Octavia

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There was a complexity there that felt more true rather than blind, passionate love.

Yeah, They filled a different sort of need within one another, which resulted in deep mutual care. But I wouldnt call it love.
 

Ethan Reigns

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Wesley and Lilah were in bed together while Justine was locked in a closet behind them with nothing more than a chamber pot and Wesley threatened to take it away. This is dark stuff with Wesley being a badass. But seriously what else was going to happen to Lilah? Her own people at the company did not trust her (for good reason), so she was unlikely to find anyone receptive there. Where did she have left to go for sex? With a man in the organization that was trying to bring her down, of course. It was a constant tug-of-war to see whether Lilah would corrupt Wesley or whether Wesley would "save" Lilah, but the difference was, this pairing was entertaining.
 

telperion66

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Underappreciated ship! What did you think of their dynamic?
I loved Wes and Lilah together. Their chemistry was tangible. She brought something out of Wesley that only she could. In season four, you can tell that Stephanie is really enjoying performing their scenes together.

In storyline terms, its a shame that the series went downhill after they slayed the beast in Angel's fantasy, and of course, Lilah ends up dead thanks to "evil" Cordy. I for one was sad to see Lilah go and feel it was a loss to the series.

Maybe the writers felt there was nowhere else to go in her relationship with Wes. But she always gave an edge to the Wolfram & Hart narrative, much like Lindsey had done before her.
 

AlphaFoxtrot

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Relationship Goals.

My guess is this, the Actress who played her crossed the 30 mark, and the agreement to renew included a younger female cast, which is why Harmony and Eve were added, and Cordie and Lilah were dropped. Which is a pity, Lilah would have been at her best in Season 5.
 
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I like Wesley and Lilah together - they are two broken and lonely people finding comfort in each other. There are real feelings there, even if they both pretend there isn't and they have some very sweet moments, although mostly after she is dead. I think it's only once she's gone that Wesley really feels the full weight of what she was beginning to mean to him. You don't know what you've got 'til it's gone.

I think his feelings for Lilah were far more real than his feelings for Fred though. Fred was always a fantasy, his courtly love put on a pedestal. It wasn't the real Fred he loved, it was the idea of her. With Lilah he had the reality and he was so complex and morally grey, willing to do whatever it took for the greater good, that he fit far better with Lilah - who was willing to do whatever it took for the greater bad, than he did with Fred who wouldn't kidnap babies, or keep slave girls chained up in closets no matter what the stakes. But Wesley wants to be a champion and Fred wants to be with a champion, so he wants to be with Fred - because in his eyes that would mean he must be a champion. Being with Lilah means facing the greyness in his soul, admitting he is this dark person and not this champion of light. So even though he is much better suited with Lilah, has something meaningful with her, he can't want or accept it ... until it's too late, and she's gone and he knows what he has lost.

My guess is this, the Actress who played her crossed the 30 mark, and the agreement to renew included a younger female cast, which is why Harmony and Eve were added, and Cordie and Lilah were dropped. Which is a pity, Lilah would have been at her best in Season 5.
I heard ... (though I cannot prove this to be true) that she passed a threshold in the number of episodes she appeared in according to SAG rules - like from the guest starring to also starring category, or something - and therefore they would have to pay her more if she continued to appear ... so they killed her. Not much better than sacking her for age, I'm afraid. Maybe a step up from sacking her for getting pregnant.
 

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It was extremely unhealthy but so good to watch. Gave a very different dynamic to both characters and made me actually feel sorry for Lilah in the end. I found it made her a little more human.
 

LeeJones41

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Underappreciated ship! What did you think of their dynamic?
One of the best aspects from the Buffyverse.


I like Wesley and Lilah together - they are two broken and lonely people finding comfort in each other. There are real feelings there, even if they both pretend there isn't and they have some very sweet moments, although mostly after she is dead. I think it's only once she's gone that Wesley really feels the full weight of what she was beginning to mean to him. You don't know what you've got 'til it's gone.

I think his feelings for Lilah were far more real than his feelings for Fred though. Fred was always a fantasy, his courtly love put on a pedestal. It wasn't the real Fred he loved, it was the idea of her. With Lilah he had the reality and he was so complex and morally grey, willing to do whatever it took for the greater good, that he fit far better with Lilah - who was willing to do whatever it took for the greater bad, than he did with Fred who wouldn't kidnap babies, or keep slave girls chained up in closets no matter what the stakes. But Wesley wants to be a champion and Fred wants to be with a champion, so he wants to be with Fred - because in his eyes that would mean he must be a champion. Being with Lilah means facing the greyness in his soul, admitting he is this dark person and not this champion of light. So even though he is much better suited with Lilah, has something meaningful with her, he can't want or accept it ... until it's too late, and she's gone and he knows what he has lost.

I think you perfectly explained why I found their relationship so interesting and why I was never a fan of Wes' relationship with Fred.
 
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