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What happened to Kate?

AngelsCordy

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What happened to Kate?

I must confess I really like Kate in the beginning - but at the last I was some bit pissed with her. Up to a point you could still understand her behavier...but after a while it would be a bit ridiculous and boring how she behaved towards Angel.

Despite everything, I would like to know - where she was?

I've read somewhere that Kate should actually play the role of Justine ... I'm just glad that it did not come that way. What is your opinion?
 

AlphaFoxtrot

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Kate went off canvas when her actress got a better job. She left the LAPD after her suicide attempt. Per comic continuity, she hung around LA and opened an antiquities shop. If she had stayed? Well, it's Angel. She would have moved to the Hyperion just like everyone else.
 

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Yes Elizabeth Röhm got a job on Law & Order, where she lasted almost 4 seasons—one of the longest AADAs on the show.

I agree with your assessment of Kate’s character decline. I think she held a lot of resentment towards Angel for what happened with her father, but that resentment lasted too long in her arc. I would have liked to see her stay and work against Wolfram & Hart from the law side of things, fighting from within the department. Had Röhm stayed, we might have seen more come from her character. I think losing Lindsey and Kate at the end of season 2 hurt the story in season 3. Gavin was no Lindsey and Lilah, while entertaining during Wesley’s downslide, didn’t hold up as well without her sparring partner at the firm. I would have liked to see Lilah and Kate go head to head from the law aspect. I don’t see Kate full Angel Investigations. More of a Darryl to the team, assisting when needed.
 

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I had liked the idea that Kate would have been an ally. At first I could understand her grudges to a certain point but eventually it was just too much and it was boring and it just got annoying. It was a pity what they made of her because I liked her in the beginning.
 

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Yes Elizabeth Röhm got a job on Law & Order, where she lasted almost 4 seasons—one of the longest AADAs on the show.

I agree with your assessment of Kate’s character decline. I think she held a lot of resentment towards Angel for what happened with her father, but that resentment lasted too long in her arc. I would have liked to see her stay and work against Wolfram & Hart from the law side of things, fighting from within the department. Had Röhm stayed, we might have seen more come from her character. I think losing Lindsey and Kate at the end of season 2 hurt the story in season 3. Gavin was no Lindsey and Lilah, while entertaining during Wesley’s downslide, didn’t hold up as well without her sparring partner at the firm. I would have liked to see Lilah and Kate go head to head from the law aspect. I don’t see Kate full Angel Investigations. More of a Darryl to the team, assisting when needed.
Who’s Darryl?.
 
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From Charmed. Meant to add that.

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I vaguely recall reading or hearing that the fandom erupted in rage when her character was first introduced. They thought she would "replace Buffy." Once it became clear Kate was going to always be at least somewhat antagonistic to him then the fandom calmed down.

I do vaguely recall hearing or reading (or maybe hearing a rumor) that she was supposed to be in the later arc instead of Justine but the actress had other opportunities to pursue so the writers created Justine to replace Kate for that arc. I'd have personally been fine with Kate in that arc myself, and could see a real connection between Kate and Holtz, once Kate lost everything and blamed the entire world of the supernatural, especially vampires.
 

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I had liked the idea that Kate would have been an ally.
For what it's worth, Kate did return as a demon fighter in the IDW comic series of "Angel." with longer hair and a Black Widow style outfit, and joined Angel's team. Neither she nor any other of Angel's new team, including Connor, were carried over or even mentioned after Dark Horse picked up the title.
 
GreyWalker1958
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Kate didn't dye her hair though. Plus she was mentioned in Angel & Faith when Angel went to see Connor per Gunn giving updates to everyone else (w/ Lorne's fate still intact out of respect for the dearly missed Andy Hallett)

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I would like to say that hooking Kate up with Holtz would have made her irredeemable with the fans, but then again, that didn't save us from Connor. Seriously, what was with that season?
 

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She and DB had good chemistry so I think them hooking up would've worked.

For the rumoured Justine storyline, that just doesn't work after Epiphany.
 
thrasherpix
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I find Kate backsliding more workable than a great many other concepts in either Buffy or Angel

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I actually think that Kate originally was intended to be a love interest for Angel so fans weren't being paranoid about that. It's pretty obvious in the earlier episodes of Season 1 and I remember a fair bit of media hype about it at the time. I'm not sure why they decided to take her in a different direction (it was possibly fan backlash but that didn't stop them pursuing Buffy/Riley?) but I'm glad they did. I actually have really grown to like Kate over the years and I find her relationship with Angel interesting but I don't think Elisabeth and David had romantic chemistry at all.

Kate became far more interesting to me when she became an antagonist to Angel. I understand that fans felt it went on too long but I thought the Angel/Kate dynamic was far more captivating when they were at each other's throats. I particularly love their scene in "The Shroud of Rahom" when Angel hurls Kate's cross into the wall and grabs her violently. The moment Kate batters Angel off her is brilliant and you can tell she's really shaken by Angel's aggression despite trying not to show it. Elisabeth does a fantastic job in that scene and it gives me goosebumps.

And, honestly, I really can't blame Kate for being angry towards Angel by the end there. I side with her in particular when she learns that he locked the lawyers in with Darla and Dru after Kate trusted him enough to illegally free him from arrest. That cost Kate her job and Angel was really selfish not to think about the consequences of that.

I thought it was a real shame she was written off the series. Their final scene together in "Epiphany" was amazing and one of the best scenes of the entire series. However, it wasn't clear at all from that scene that it would be her final appearance so her sudden disappearance from the show was always a little disappointing. It's a pity she couldn't have stuck around.
 

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For what it's worth, Kate did return as a demon fighter in the IDW comic series of "Angel." with longer hair and a Black Widow style outfit, and joined Angel's team. Neither she nor any other of Angel's new team, including Connor, were carried over or even mentioned after Dark Horse picked up the title.
Actually Connor appears and has his own mini arc in season nine as does Ilyria.
 

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They should've brought Kate back for even just 1 episode imo just for closure if nothing else. Hell Angel getting into her apartment without being invited is incredibly interesting. Then its just dropped 🤷‍♂️
 

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I never took to the character. She always felt out of place, as though Rohm were acting in a straight police procedural while the others understood their genre remit. She didn't fit and I was glad when she disappeared. I thought Lilah was the perfect antagonist for Angel and Kate might have got in the way of that.
 

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As per IDW: left LA, came back to fight demons and (per Dark Horse) returned to the force* under their paranormal division. Status unknown wotht he current Boom canon so far

*Shouldn't be a thing as I don't see how any police department would take back an former cop they terminated or retired. I didn't even like such a thing when DC did Infinite Crisis to reinstate a happily retired Jim Gordon for the sake of iconography
 

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There has been a long history of noir private detective stories that the detective had to have a source of information on the police force whose cooperation was explained by the P. I. having done a favour for someone on the force. This was a departure from the standard story. Kate was never that kind of character. She was suspicious of Angel and had vampire vs. daddy issues. I didn't miss her when she left.

I thought Lilah was a better character for Angel to work against - after all, if he was going up against Satan's law firm, why not have him develop a relationship with its most successful rising star? The concept of "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" works well here.
 

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In TV many characters start off purposely intolerable, mean, a joke, or inept but they eventually turn out to be beloved, as was the plan all along. See Cordy, Wes, Dawn, etc.
I was surprised Gunn was only antagonistic for 1-2 episodes before being a team player and a hero.

But with Kate, she reeks of a failed experiment who never got over with the fans.

She was clearly supposed to be Angel's romantic interest from Day 1, no matter what anyone in production says. And when that failed, she was going to be his not-to-happy partner on certain cases, but we knew one day they would be friends or lovers. And then that failed. She didn't have an open mind accepting Angel even before her dad died, which means we as viewers saw her as a bigot against our vampire with a soul. Characters like that (see Dr. Pulaski's treatment of Data for being an android on Star Trek TNG) lose the bulk of mainstream fan support.

Also didn't help that she was an occasional recurring guest star as opposed to being the the main credits.

That said, she did not offend me and I thought their relationship was unique. But there's a reason why people always want to know, "What happened to Kate?"- she got phased out and dropped and was never mentioned on the show again.
 

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In TV many characters start off purposely intolerable, mean, a joke, or inept but they eventually turn out to be beloved, as was the plan all along. See Cordy, Wes, Dawn, etc.
I was surprised Gunn was only antagonistic for 1-2 episodes before being a team player and a hero.

But with Kate, she reeks of a failed experiment who never got over with the fans.

She was clearly supposed to be Angel's romantic interest from Day 1, no matter what anyone in production says. And when that failed, she was going to be his not-to-happy partner on certain cases, but we knew one day they would be friends or lovers. And then that failed. She didn't have an open mind accepting Angel even before her dad died, which means we as viewers saw her as a bigot against our vampire with a soul. Characters like that (see Dr. Pulaski's treatment of Data for being an android on Star Trek TNG) lose the bulk of mainstream fan support.

Also didn't help that she was an occasional recurring guest star as opposed to being the the main credits.

That said, she did not offend me and I thought their relationship was unique. But there's a reason why people always want to know, "What happened to Kate?"- she got phased out and dropped and was never mentioned on the show again.
i get the feeling she was supposed to be a ‘foe yay’ and we were supposed to see even when they were arguing as them brimming with sexual tension but they just didn’t have the chemistry to pull that off
 
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