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When does SHIELD “get good”?

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Most series‘ take time to develop and in a lot of shows fans can pinpoint when a show really finds its stride and “gets good”.

When would you tell someone that SHIELD gets good?
 

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Interestingly I found good from the start, there isn't too many episodes that I finish thinking that they were bad
 

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Are we talking about Agents of Shield? If so, Episode one for me. It took me less time to get into AoS Shield than The Wire .
 
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Around 1x11 if I remember correctly. The show was good from the start but around half season it became what is now: 100% action, Jossian formula (self aware characters, witty dialog, family/team feeling, sense of wonder, emotional resonance... But somewhat different cause it's a Jed, Mo and Jeff thing, not Joss himself) and a complete exploration of the genre.

I love it. It's what Joss said sometimes: he wanted a series that 100 people need to see, not a show 1000 people want to see. Yeah.
 

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Like with any series, there are things I like and things I don’t. But SHIELD is one of my favorite shows. One thing I’ve really come to like is that it has constantly reinvented itself every season. I’m not sure that was the original intention but it doesn’t matter to me; it has kept the show fresh and exciting. It’s hard for me to pick a favorite season, there are interesting things about each season!
 
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Agreed!

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I'd say about the mid-part of S1 is when it started to show signs of the show it would become. The last six episodes of that season and the start of the Hydra arc were fantastic. I don't think the show really looked back after that. Nearly finished S4 which I think might be the best season so far.
 

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It doesn't. Marvel Cinematic Universe TV shows are by and large not very good, with some exceptions:
Daredevil seasons 1 and 3
Jessica Jones season 1
Runaways
Cloak and Dagger

Punisher is okay.

Agents of SHIELD, Inhumans, Iron Fist, Luke Cage, Defenders, the other seasons of Daredevil and Jessica Jones, and Agent Carter are just plain boring.

Marvel generally stomps DC at the theaters but on TV DC is king. Doom Patrol, Watchmen, Swamp Thing, Stargirl, Black Lightning, Lucifer, iZombie, etc are all orders of magnitude better than Marvel's output. iZombie is especially good if you're a Buffy fan (it's made by the creator of Veronica Mars).
 
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I thougth S3 of Jessica Jones was very good actually.

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I think Shield is good because it doesn't feel like a typical Marvel series. Sure there are moments where it does. But I think the character depth, and the thriller feel give it that different feeling. Plus it really explores the ideas and the universe. To me a lot of Marvel shows and movies only really scratch the service.
 

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Most series‘ take time to develop and in a lot of shows fans can pinpoint when a show really finds its stride and “gets good”.

When would you tell someone that SHIELD gets good?
For me, "S.H.I.E.L.D." started to really get good around a Season One episode called (1.13) "T.R.A.C.K.S.".
 

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It doesn't. Marvel Cinematic Universe TV shows are by and large not very good, with some exceptions:
Daredevil seasons 1 and 3
Jessica Jones season 1
Runaways
Cloak and Dagger

Punisher is okay.

Agents of SHIELD, Inhumans, Iron Fist, Luke Cage, Defenders, the other seasons of Daredevil and Jessica Jones, and Agent Carter are just plain boring.

Marvel generally stomps DC at the theaters but on TV DC is king. Doom Patrol, Watchmen, Swamp Thing, Stargirl, Black Lightning, Lucifer, iZombie, etc are all orders of magnitude better than Marvel's output. iZombie is especially good if you're a Buffy fan (it's made by the creator of Veronica Mars).
Your argument against Marvel started off strong then fell off a cliff when you mentioned Runaways and Cloak & Dagger.
Ditto with yer DC argument. BTW - if yer curious 'Stargirl, Black Lightnin...' is where the wheels fell off the wagon.
Just saying :oops:
 

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Your argument against Marvel started off strong then fell off a cliff when you mentioned Runaways and Cloak & Dagger.
Ditto with yer DC argument. BTW - if yer curious 'Stargirl, Black Lightnin...' is where the wheels fell off the wagon.
Just saying :oops:
I disagree. All of those shows have a strong idea about what they want to be and strong ties to their source material, and they execute their visions well. Agents of SHIELD is a comic book show that starts out ashamed to be a comic book show at all, and as it goes along it just becomes a generic substitute. Characters nobody cares about masquerading as comic book heroes like store brand cereal.

Runaways, Cloak and Dagger, and Stargirl are angsty teen dramas but that's what they should be because that's who those characters are. And Black Lightning is simply fantastic.
 

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Ah yes, the first half of the first season had a Hydra embargo, due to "Winter Soldier," and a Mutant embargo, due to Fox's rights issues. So, if you start from the beginning, they are literally treading water, fighting fake mutants, until they can get to the actual storylines. Frankly, making a show about Shield when you intended to destroy shield in the films seems unsporting.
 

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Black Lightning is amazing. Stargirl is disappointing. If we want to compare DC shows, Arrow is the one that’s inconsistent season to season and has a main character who is so OTT broody that I had to stop watching during season 7.
 
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I made it to season 7 of Arrow too until I gave up. :)

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Agents of SHIELD is a comic book show that starts out ashamed to be a comic book show at all, and as it goes along it just becomes a generic substitute.
"Agents of SHIELD" is supposed to be a series about agents of a secret intelligence agency and not about a group of costumed heroes. Sometimes, I wonder if people understood this when the series first began or if they still understand this. It's a comic book television series as far as I'm concerned. There is no doubt about this in my eyes. But it's not called "The Avengers" or "The Inhumans".

Ah yes, the first half of the first season had a Hydra embargo, due to "Winter Soldier," and a Mutant embargo, due to Fox's rights issues. So, if you start from the beginning, they are literally treading water, fighting fake mutants, until they can get to the actual storylines. Frankly, making a show about Shield when you intended to destroy shield in the films seems unsporting.
I had read somewhere that Kevin Feige and many others at Marvel Films had dismissed the idea of "Agents of SHIELD" as a television series that would interact with the MCU films. I also heard that one of the reasons "Captain America: The Winter Soldier" was made in the first place was to ensure the series would not last beyond one season. Well . . . the series is finally ending after seven seasons. So Feige had failed. Not only had he failed, he is now pushing the idea through the media that the series had failed to adhere to the MCU main narrative. I think this is a load of crock. "Agents of SHIELD" had referred to the movies numerous times over the years, until Season Six, when it failed to mention Thanos' Snap. Feige and Marvel Films were so busy accusing the show of not adhering to the franchise that they failed to mention that the films never mentioned the show or featured any characters in the show, aside from Coulson's appearance in "Captain Marvel". And that was set in 1995.

As for "getting to the actual storylines", the first half of Season One was setting up the Clairvoyant and Fall of SHIELD story line. As someone who has watched "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and "Angel", I know how it works. Mutant Enemy usually takes it time in setting up the year long arc until it finally manifests before the halfway point. Joss Whedon had been doing this since 1997. Which is why I found it ironic that many began complaining about this careful set up of Season One's arc. Then again, I don't think very few people really appreciate good storytelling these days - especially with the serial format in television. Everyone these days want the story arc to be rushed ASAP. I think this might be due to a lack of an attention span in today's society.
 

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Your argument against Marvel started off strong then fell off a cliff when you mentioned Runaways and Cloak & Dagger.
Ditto with yer DC argument. BTW - if yer curious 'Stargirl, Black Lightnin...' is where the wheels fell off the wagon.
Just saying :oops:
Really? I heard good things about Stargirl and decent things about Black Lightning too. Not seen either Runaways or C&D but heard decent things about them too. But I disagree with the poster over Shield.
 

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I love Season 1, but it's kind of slow and weird and focuses on characters, rather than plot.

That said, Season 4 imo, is when it really starts to "get good." I found S2-3 to be meandering and even boring at times.
 
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