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Who should have died in S7 Jonathan or Andrew?

AlphaFoxtrot

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It's a trap, if they kill Andrew than the series would of guilty of "Burying your closeted gays, maybe?" It's where a series kills a character whose is strongly suggested to be gay, just like in the 1898 film, "Un voyage de rêve dans des fermes fermées*" is killed for reasons completely unrelated to their suspected gayness, but they know. They know. Don't question it.

*"A Dream of Voyage to Shrute Farms," it's about a male dancer in the Civil War who dreams of life on an Amish Plantation, before getting shot. Truly tragic.
 

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To be fair the only reason Jonathan told Buffy was because he realized the other two weren’t loyal to him. It wasn’t out of attempting to be good, it was out of revenge.
Really, I never got that sense at all.
He seemed very surprised when Warren and Andrew turned out to be wearing...*sigh* rocket-packs to make their escape with. He was shocked that they were going to leave him behind, as he bitterly complains to Andrew in their shared jail cell. Andrew and Warren were going to betray him, not the other way around.

It's more likely that he saw what power was doing to Warren; quickly turning into a psychotic bully. Also Jonathan doesn't want Buffy to die, he likes her for the most part.

Meanwhile Andrew is screaming at Warren to kill her. Yeesh.
 

FaithLehane16

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Andrew because he didn't really show that much remorse. We've seen more remorse from Jonathan. Jonathan has been with the gang longer, so the choice should've been Andrew. Andrew was suffering residual feelings for Warren in the 7th season. Jonathan disowned Warren that season.
 

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Don't forget Gone. Jonathan was not on board with the killing Buffy thing and even wanted to save her. To a lesser extent this seemed true of Andrew as well. Jonathan even said he wasn't killing anyone, "Especially Buffy." He did get over his head later on, but I always saw him as internally conflicted rather than just a bad guy who always had an ulterior motive. Rather than power, I think Jonathan wanted accolades and what mistook as respect, but he wasn't a genuine sociopath. Self-preservation kept him with Warren for awhile, but I wasn't surprised that he helped Buffy, or that he'd later seek redemption.
 

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Rather than power, I think Jonathan wanted accolades and what mistook as respect, but he wasn't a genuine sociopath. Self-preservation kept him with Warren for awhile, but I wasn't surprised that he helped Buffy, or that he'd later seek redemption.
I think Jonathan wanted friendship and he thought he found that with Warren and Andrew. He felt an element of peer pressure to follow them but eventually he started getting uncomfortable with what they were doing. Jonathan gave Buffy her class protector award so he had the closest relationship with her out of the trio.
 

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To be fair the only reason Jonathan told Buffy was because he realized the other two weren’t loyal to him. It wasn’t out of attempting to be good, it was out of revenge.
I disagree with think it's more Jonathan had doubts since Dead Things and Warren was going to screw him over because of that and because he saw Jonathan was the week one he couldn't control. Andrew was going to follow Warren.
 

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Kill Andrew, at least Johnathan could have been useful to the Scoobies.
 

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Andrew kinda sucked. He wasn't funny. He was just lame. I was very fond of Jonathon.

I didn't understand all that stuff they talked about all the time, though. I think I got one reference out of all of them. So maybe if I knew wth they were talking about, I'd have a different opinion.
 

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Jonathon should have died and this thread is a perfect example of why. The majority of people prefer Jonathon to Andrew and would gladly cheer at Andrew's demise. For that very reason, Jonathan had to die because his death is the only one that would illicit any kind of shock or sadness from the audience. It was meant to be a shocking moment and the writers knew very well that Jonathon was the only member of the Trio that the audience had even a morsel of attachment to or affection for.
 

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Jonathon should have died and this thread is a perfect example of why. The majority of people prefer Jonathon to Andrew and would gladly cheer at Andrew's demise. For that very reason, Jonathan had to die because his death is the only one that would illicit any kind of shock or sadness from the audience. It was meant to be a shocking moment and the writers knew very well that Jonathon was the only member of the Trio that the audience had even a morsel of attachment to or affection for.
Pretty much this
 

GreyWalker1958

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Andrew. It wasn't right to kill off Jonathan who was hardly that evil. Though he really didn't need to be around Warren to begin with.

Andrew was just there and nothing of value and remained such well into the Dark Horse seasons
 
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Jonathan should have stayed alive and Andrew did not deserve death. I warmed up to Andrew. Andrew is funny and talkative and I appreciate these traits in people. I love Jonathan but Andrew is the kind of person I would be best friend with and Jonathan would be a close friend.
 
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I don’t mind either character much but I’m happy the way it went. I actually think for a minorish character Jonathon gets one of the best arcs on the show. Jonathan’s entire being from all of his appearances has been his bitterness that people don’t like him and that he doesn’t have friends. His speech in CWDP rounds his journey perfectly, he’s realised that actually it doesn’t matter if they don’t care about him he cares about them and that’s finally enough for him. It’s the perfect ending for Jonathon, he dies finally at peace with himself
 

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To be fair the only reason Jonathan told Buffy was because he realized the other two weren’t loyal to him. It wasn’t out of attempting to be good, it was out of revenge.
I disagree I think Jonathan wanted to help before but didn't have the courage to, he was too scared of both Warren and Buffy and didn't know where to go, he didn't want Buffy to die and saw his chance to actually do something.
 

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I don't really like Jonathan or Andrew, I think they're both pretty weasly and shouldn't be trusted. I do like that right at the end Jonathan showed some remorse, which had more of an impact than Andrew showing remorse as we'd followed Jonathan over seven seasons.
 
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