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Why do you love season 2 of BTVS?

DeadlyDuo

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I enjoyed the Spike and Buffy dynamics of s2. 'The reluctant allies who really don't like each other but must find a way to get along for their mutual benefit.'

Agreed. The frenemy chemistry was great. The watching the video wasn't Spike fancying Buffy, especially since he invited Dru over to stand next to him as he was watching it. Also he wanted the Judge to zap Buffy. The only interest Spike had for Buffy in Season 2 was one that a predator had for its prey. In Season 2, Spike was to Buffy what Wile E Coyote was to Roadrunner.
 

WillowFromBuffy

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S2 has the best structured plot. S1 hardly has a plot. S3 and 4 meander about. S3, especially, uses a lot of macguffins. S5 and 6 are on a level with S2. S7 really wants to have a plot, but it can't quite get there.

Take "Passion" for example. The episode really needs to be there. The stakes are Angel's soul and Jenny's life. These are things that the audience care about. "Choices" from S3 is also a great episode, but it is centred around a box that we've never heard about before.

As a rule of thumb, if it is easy to remember the order of episodes in a season, it usually means that the season has a nice linear plot, where each episode moves the plot forward. I find the timeline of S2 very easy to visualise. S4 is great season, but it is much harder to remember when the important beats occur.
 

DeadlyDuo

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S5 and 6 are on a level with S2. S7 really wants to have a plot, but it can't quite get there.

Whilst I agree with most of what you said, I have to disagree about Season 5 and 6 being on a level with Season 2. Don't get me wrong, there are some great moments in those seasons and Season 6 has the best season opener with Bargaining parts 1&2 but the over arching story of those seasons sucks. Season 5 revolves around Dawn, a character that was never seen or heard of before but is suddenly soooooo important to Buffy that the slayer is willing to sacrifice herself for her, whilst season 6 is essentially all about making Buffy as miserable as possible because "life is the big bad".
 

WillowFromBuffy

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Season 5 revolves around Dawn, a character that was never seen or heard of before but is suddenly soooooo important to Buffy that the slayer is willing to sacrifice herself for her, whilst season 6 is essentially all about making Buffy as miserable as possible because "life is the big bad".
But I am talking about the eternal structure of each season, so it doesn't really matter that Dawn hasn't been seen before. She's there the entire season, and she is central to the plot. And her story has a clear progression. It doesn't ramble back and forth ... and they don't bring in new unnecessary elements just to stall for time.

And I think S3 and 4 are truly great seasons, even though the plot is a little messy. The most important thing for a TV show is that the individual episodes work.

The biggest flaw in the S2 plot is that the whole Jenny-is-a-gypsy-spy thing is so obviously ad hoc. You easily forget that the season was kinda written as they went along.
 
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darkspook

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The storyline is strong, the interaction between the characters is never better and nicely balanced with everyone getting their moment in the sun (season featured little Xander for example compared to Willow), the twists were shocking (for me the Angel twist isn't he goes back its that he stays that way for the rest of the season! Something like Star Trek would have had him become good by the end of the episode.) The show has a good mix of dark episodes and light episodes. It is for me the best season of Buffy.
 

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The gothic horror and gothic romance vibe of the entire season. No other season quite matched the specific energy of Season 2, and I loved it. Dru's strengthening ritual in the church? Dru carrying Spike from the rubble? The entire Angelus/Spike/Dru dynamic in their creepy hideout? Angelus in general? The set design and character dynamics for this season were so so good.

Plus, Buffy with a rocket launcher. That's all.
 
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I really love the look of the first two seasons. The show was still being shot on 16mm for budgetary reasons and it shows, with the softness of the image and the grain. Sometimes--especially for horror--sharpness isn't always paramount.

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I also think that Junior Year is the goldilocks year of High School. At least for telling stories.
 

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Definitely Spike and Dru. Juliet and James just knocked it out of the park. Best character introduction in Buffyverse (other than Illyria).

Also, Angelus was amazing. The Mayor was hilarious, and this is where Buffy's hair became seriously beautiful. Epic hair.

I think this is probably the best season of the show. Everything just clicked for me.
 

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I just finished watching S2 for the second time and Becoming Part 2 is my favourite episode of the season, if not the whole series. It has a bit of everything.
 

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The central arc's really strong some of the standalones not so much but still the arc being so strong is great plus Oz appears.
 

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Two things stand out for me in this season. Angel's arc is fantastic, from moony, romantic boyfriend to the best psychological villain. And you really do think that's it for Angel at the end, such a daring move for the show after already keeping him the villain through several episodes.

The other thing is that Buffy learns the real costs of being the slayer. She died at the end of S1, but has to cope with the trauma of it here, as well as losing Angel, and being kicked out of her house and school at the end. She even physically no longer looks like a child.

I loved things others mentioned - Spike and Dru, the Scoobies dynamics - but these two things are what really make the season, I think.
 
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Season 2 hits the emotional peaks and valleys better than any other. I'm not really a Bangel shipper, but their love for each other--emotionally immature as it is--feels true to high school feelings and works as tragedy.

Also, I think the season does a really good job believably keeping the Big Bad at bay until he's needed for the season finale. In other seasons (most notably seasons 5 and 7) the Big Bads do a lot of waiting around when they ought to be taking the offensive. In season 2, Angelus keeps trying to strike but is continuously foiled in creative ways--Wentworth Miller's fishblood in Go Fish, a lovestruck Drusilla in BB&B, Xander standing up to him in Killed By Death, etc. Angelus almost comes across as hapless, but he's so cocky and smarmy that even these setbacks don't really rattle him; he just retreats to a corner and decides to be amused.
 
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I think part of the torture is the waiting, and he knows that. As a vampire, time is on his side, not that of his current "art project." The trick is to keep the horror and despair high without it becoming numb.

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Season 2 is just classic Buffy. The storyline is a little more planned. The monster of the weeks are better written. It just works on a better level than the first season. The back half of the season is just epic, and really defined what the show could become. I don’t think there’s a better arc on the show. Most shows go through a “sophomore slump” in their second seasons, but Buffy excelled.
 

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Season 2 ended on a really high note. Lots of reasons to love it:
(Contains Spoilers for Season 2 & Later Seasons)

1) Spike as the Big Bad when he was actually cool before he became a bit of a punching bag for jokes later on
2) Boreanaz at the top of his game, Angel goes from star-crossed lover and heroic anti-vampire to full-on evil incarnate villain. Since he was a former good guy and lover it makes the betrayal all the more meaningful.
3) Angel for a long time was the only villain to actually kill one of the main scoob’s, letting you know he’s not all bark.
4) THE SEASON FINALE. It one-up’s Shakespeare. Really. Blew my mind and it’s what made me a die-hard fan.
5) Principal Snyder (& the occasional reference/foreshadowing to the Mayor). This guy was just hilarious every time he’s on screen. Great writing, and the delivery is dead on every time. Yes he was introduced in S1, but only near the end. He has a lot of great moments in this season.
6) Introduction of Seth Green’s Oz (and also Jonathon in a very minor role). Gotta love Oz. (“Yeah, I think he just goes by Brandon now.”)
7) Fleshing out the other characters—Cordelia, Giles, Angel, and Jenny. Cordelia is no longer just a one-dimensional clique brat intended to stand in for ”the other students at the school.” She is this really interesting, complex character who is actually quite lonely on the inside, despite having lots of vacuous “friends,” because hey, it’s better to be surrounded by people and lonely than being lonely by yourself. A really great deep theme that is true to life, exhibiting that complexity in character dynamics that makes Buffy such a compelling show.

Giles is not just the watcher, doting father figure, and stiff librarian but also has a colored history. He was once a rebellious youth with a sordid past. Again, there’s a sense of irony here since you wouldn’t expect this kind of dichotomy, and yet it works perfectly because people change over time in real life, and it makes a lot of sense that someone who lived too closely to the edge and nearly fell over would later decide to stay as far away from it as possible. It gives Giles some interesting depth and complexity. I always find it a bit ridiculous when tv characters are supposedly the same people they were 10, 20, 30 years ago in a flashback, because in real life nobody’s like that. Whedon avoided that pitfall, for sure. Jenny also becomes a bit more relevant to the plot being related to that gypsy curse.

And of course, Angel‘s past is revealed early in the season, in the fantastic episode Lie to Me. Like Giles and Cordelia, his dark past reveals an ironic dichotomy, a complexity in the character. He was not only a brutal murderer, but also a sadistic demon who took deep pleasure in psychological manipulation. It gives him a real reason to need redemption, a reason to be the anti-villain/hero he has become, and it gives him a past relationship with Jenny’s people, Spike, and Drusilla, which sets up the big plot events later on.


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All that said, despite how great the second season is, there is a lot of set up going on early on in the season, and personally for me a lot of the teen drama romance didn’t really appeal to me that much at first. I was more into the gothic/demonic stuff the first season had going for it (not that the teen drama wasn’t there from the beginning).

Also the episode where there’s a big scary ‘end of the world’ type demon, and she just blows it up with a rocket launcher that Xander conveniently steals because he was kind of a soldier that one time and an army guy is really easily fooled—yeah that was pretty stupid. But other than that, stellar season.
 

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The reason Season 2 Cemented Buffy as one of the all time greatest tv shows in it’s genre is because it improved upon every negative part of season 1. The monster of the week high school episodes had stronger writing and thematic meaning. Spike, Dru & Angelus were stronger and more dramatic antagonist then the master. Kendra’s introduction build up the slayer mythos. Innocence and the season finale are the most important episodes of the entire series arguably. The acting also was insane for a WB teen show. The show took itself more seriously, but retain the humor and highschool charm. Also the scoobys were at thier most likable and relatable during this season.
 

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'Why do I love game changing BTVS s2'?!


Well as someone who adored s1, the first episode of s2 to the finale was just mind blowing.
Watching this live with no real knowledge of what going to happen throughout the series was amazing given there wasn't the kind of social media there is today where you can go and look up spoilers if you wish so.

The build up to Surpise and Innocence was so good even if there was a few less successful or well like episodes along the way but with the shocking emergence of Angelus well I was on the edge of my seat waiting every week until the bitter end.
That it could turn into something like this was so fantastic to see and that when the show truly became special for me.

Even many, many, MANY years later, it still is my favourite series/season of BTVS because of how this became a show I would never miss watching even if I had to fight with anyone in my family to be able to watch the show as soon as it was coming on!

Sure there is ONE episode episode I'll never be able to FULLY watch 🥴 but I still have big love for s2 which had me committed to the show for all time that I brought the DVDs. (S1-3)

I've watched it countless times and have never found less enjoyment or pleasure from it. Also like others, Oz coming into the show was so great.

The only downside is the death of Jenny Calendar. That still hurts and always will.
 

Dora

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What we know now about Whedon behaviour maybe it was not happening for the first 3 seasons, maybe Egos had not taken control by then
Lets face it the original cast line up was great and all being fresh/new working together they got along better and fan pressure had little influence. Season 1 was shaky sometimes but it was a replacement show in the middle of a run , Whedon has said he had no idea how to produce a show and it was Sarah who taught him about light etc , in season 2 I think as in 3 it was all Whedon , his love, his baby , after season 3 the cast was split , Buffy never recovered, whether it was Whedon had 2 shows hence his time was split , whether fan pressure made Buffy changed to much to accommodate one Character , hence no initiative, no chip, no Spike. S5 saw Whedons real story of Buffy summers finish from then on I believe it was a cash cow, Whedon's mind was on firefly , new cast new beginning as Buffy had really been in season 2
No S2 closely followed by S3 are the best because I think had Whedons undivided attention with little or non external influences
 
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