Bunnies frighten me 🐰
- Dec 17, 2015
- 9th Circle of Hell
Keeping a house, keeping everything clean (I recall the time and money it took to keep a place clean that was much smaller than Buffy's, and we didn't have multiple people, and worse, a kid, nor did we have to worry about things like bloodstains, and btw, that lawn looks very well maintained as well), Gods, her insurance had to be through the roof (or she paid out of pocket), and even if Xander provided free repairs it still would cost the supplies of those repairs. And then there are the property taxes, whatever they are.What in s6 made it seem unrealistic that she was actually poor?
She scrubbed grass stains off of her jacket. She substituted some of their dinners with free fast food from work. She never went out to do fun expensive things. She went to one of those cheap walk-in salons (like Super Cuts) to fix her hair after she hacked it off. She was never shown buying things. Her only expenses were house maintenance, electricity, and food.
I'm not. They are so OOC (like all the Scoobies) that it doesn't bother me. I know the meta reason why because the anvils are raining hard on my head, Spuffy Spuffy Spuffy.The more I read this thread, the more annoyed I am with Willow and Tara. Seriously.
Willow wasn't using herbs/crystals/candles the entire time she quit magic. That is from December to May. In Gone, Buffy went room to room of the house getting rid of anything remotely magic related to make it easier on her. There were lots of boxes.Keeping a house, keeping everything clean (I recall the time and money it took to keep a place clean that was much smaller than Buffy's, and we didn't have multiple people, and worse, a kid, nor did we have to worry about things like bloodstains, and btw, that lawn looks very well maintained as well), Gods, her insurance had to be through the roof (or she paid out of pocket), and even if Xander provided free repairs it still would cost the supplies of those repairs. And then there are the property taxes, whatever they are.
Of course having multiple people living there is going to add significantly to the expense, from all the extra food required (even if Buffy got a free sack of food to take with her it would be for only her--unless she showed a different set of ethics than when she refused to take a bribe to be silent about how a corporation was lying to its customers) to hot water (especially when keeping that bedding clean, as many people having sex in them like to do on a regular basis, but even the extra dishwashing and hot showers are going to add up), and more power and everything else. And they didn't seem to lack for food for all of them (plus guests) and even brought pizza for all of them who knows how often.
A kid not only adds to those expenses, but brings new ones as well, even if she doesn't join any sports teams, marching bands, or the like. And Dawn's stealing didn't seem like it would alleviate expenses, and had to be paid back eventually anyway (good thing there weren't legal expenses on top of that). And if there were security tags on them then those clothes weren't coming from thrift stores, and yet no one seemed surprised that Dawn had money to buy some as a present.
Cosmetics that they all wore also quickly add up, even for one person, especially if one doesn't get the bargain bin cosmetics (which are obvious, and frankly worse than nothing, IMO). And btw, your explanation of clothes, while feasible, is also reaching, particularly when considering how those name brands would fare in the kinds of violence she routinely engaged in, not to mention the blood stains and such. Back when I first saw season 6, I actually was making more money with few expenses than Buffy and still found it difficult even by using thrift stores (and I avoided the name brands as I had no interest in such).
Same for electronics that Willow used. (Back when I first saw season 6, the computer I had was bad enough even after lots of bargaining, and I understood why people called it "Frankenstein.") And this isn't even including the Buffybot which got destroyed at the start of the season (nor am I counting the weird and even unique occult stuff they were buying, though I should since that all probably equaled "hospital bills" if not more). ('Course that's a good source of potential revenue in the hands of Willow, but the writers and many viewers confuse "depressing" for "realistic.")
On top of all of this, there are other expenses still. (I could mention Xander's rent and the dream wedding that should've been out of his price range, and good gods how his family should howl if they helped finance it, or even just for the plane tickets, but I'll skip him.) In season 2, the owner of the Magic Box said the new agers helped put one of his kids through college (another outrageous expense), and given the typical price in new age stores, I'm not surprised. (I still remember a few jokes told by Wiccans about the outrageous prices set by new age speakers, businesses, and the like.)
And Willow was almost certainly getting her witchy supplies from the Magic Box, and one that Anya would not be letting her have for free. Since Willow wasn't using magic by the time Buffy was back (at least not for long) she can't get by using magic to cover the expenses she wasn't paying so that she could have all her herbs, crystals, and more exotic fare (btw, I'm not including candles since they're easy enough to make, though I'm probably assuming too much by assuming Willow made her own). And that's on top of her own personal expenses (but not on the hot water and power she uses, etc) and college.
And now I'm getting tired. Suffice to say I don't buy that Buffy was only paying cheap utility bills and a tight budget, and it strikes me as unlikely that Willow, Tara, and Xander could alleviate her financial burdens much even if they wanted to, but would just add to her financial burden while indulging themselves.
But it would've been interesting to actually see her in a thrift store, and also getting food at the food bank which could be a source for more angst as well as more demonic encounters, but that's a missed opportunity (the writers probably don't even really know what a food bank is). Tax refunds would help, but not solve it, and there are programs to help single women, especially with dependents, but the writers wouldn't know about that either. Realism would've been interesting, but season 6 didn't give us that.
Xander's dad raged at him since he was a little kid. He was literally his bogeyman in the basement in Restless (a version of the Ugly Man) and he didn't marry Anya because he didn't want to become his dad and hurt her like his dad hurt his mom. I'm glad we didn't see his reaction.It's pretty difficult to keep a lawn like that in Southern California, and it takes more than excessive watering. While I did keep one with many flowers pretty cheap, not needing a bunch of fertilizers or repellents and the like (and I expect once I left that the new owners will pay a lot of money to have them removed as it won't be easy to get rid of it all, at least if they want a more traditional yard).
I also consider you lucky on cleaning. Back when I first saw season 6 Buffy we had a serious problem with black mold in the basement, and home remedies like vinegar, baking soda, and the like were worthless, and working with those chemicals required plenty of extra gloves, fresh masks, and the like (none expensive in of themselves, but it built up). That would spread to the rest of the house. It was a constant battle (mainly because it got in through the basement and then spread). And being a book lover, I spent time and money keeping the bookshelves clean, and the books free of it. All by itself was not a financial burden. It's how it stacks up (like a thousand paper cuts with a few deep cuts thrown in), especially on top of everything else (much like how hot water for one or two people isn't a big deal, but the more people and more washing it builds up). Sometimes the cheap stuff worked (ironically, I found black pepper the best deterrent to ants and won't buy ant traps anymore--and no, there weren't crumbs all over the place), more often than not it won't.
There were quite a few other problems, and talking with others they weren't unique...well, the time that some wasps managed to build a nest in the walls and found a hole in which to come through was pretty unique, and you should've seen how many dead wasps there were after we bug bombed the place. That one is a story that freaks out most of our friends and I've only heard (friend of a friend) of similar cases.
We've been hit for all sorts of expenses for kids in school even without counting the extracurricular activities, and thrift stores wouldn't likely count for all the required clothing in addition to other expenses. Granted, Buffy could've said "no" to a lot of it, in which case Dawn was unusual graceful about it.
You've softened me somewhat on this (mainly because I'm counting stuff from early on, which in my experience will follow you for a long while, and I find it doubtful that "medical expenses" is why the money ran out), but I'm just not seeing a lot of it. For example, I certainly don't see how Buffy purposely chose the food industry so she'd never lack food, and I don't know of any fast food place that gives free food (save maybe as a meal for a single person), and the McDonald's someone I knew worked at had strict policies about giving food even to employees (beyond maybe a sack lunch for the one person) as they feared it would turn into a lot of theft by employees. 'Course one can take food on the sly but that doesn't sound like the actions of someone who refused to blackmail or even take a bribe to stay silent, and even if she did, I doubt it would be enough to make much of a difference as the place isn't looking to throw a lot of food away by making more than they need. And my impression is that the writers thought about the only job available to someone without college was fast food and construction with some retail, not that Buffy was being clever.
Perhaps ironically, I don't think money would've been a problem if it were more realistic, at least not if they're clever and can think outside the box even a little bit. And technically Buffy is not responsible for her mother's medical bills. It's POSSIBLE (not sure on this) that the hospital could seize the Summers home and sell it if "Buffy" didn't pay off the rest, though if Joyce really had set things up well then that seems very unlikely to me. Laws in California are pretty good about protecting people from medical debt, and medical professionals can, at least sometimes, find governmental sources in the case of someone dying. But, no, Buffy's gotta suffer.
Though all in all it's a minor point. It's other stuff that I consider much less realistic, but that's another topic. Suffice to say that on this front I did not relate to season 6 though I was living on a limited budget with plenty of expenses at the time, including for home repairs, many of which I had to figure out on my own and juryrig solutions. I get the impression that what you and I consider expensive are different.
And Xander's dad paid for that wedding? I consider that a silver lining since he got screwed over. But given what jacked up prices dream weddings cost, which was piled on top of air fair and lots of alcohol, he could probably afford it given that he didn't sem to care about it (maybe he lit up a cigar with a burning hundred dollar bill while he was at it). The show missed some angst by not showing his rage and demanding Xander pay him back, but then I don't doubt the writers can't help but think money grows on trees so wouldn't see it as a big deal, not on a gut level.
Why don't they get jobs? Because then Buffy would have one less thing to be depressed about which means one less reason to jump unto soulless, undead penises.
I didn't know penises had souls.That's one hell of a visual. lol
Tara did not have a family as anyone who saw family the hated her so she had on one to support her.Might be different in the US. But here you live off a grant. But then here you don't pay the fees back till later anyway. I know that Willow's parents were quite well off so could probably support her.
Sure, but then who knows maybe she got a grant for living on while in higher education. Or maybe she previously had a job and money saved up. Maybe Willow was happy to support the two of them until the day Tara found full-time employment.Tara did not have a family as anyone who saw family the hated her so she had on one to support her.
LOL i loved this.. but when you think about it.. the Scoobies were left to raise DawnI've been watching Buffy and Angel again recently, and this has always bugged me about Buffy season 6.
Buffy comes back from the dead and Willow and Tara are like, "We've been living in your house and we spent all your money while you were dead. So now that you're back, you have to get a job or we'll all be homeless."
I mean, what would Willow, Tara, and Dawn have done if Buffy hadn't been brought back? Used up all the rest of Buffy's money and then moved onto Xander's couch?