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Why don't Willow and Tara get jobs?

caitaintdead

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Xander had just a high school diploma (bad grades at that) yet by 18-19 he was:
* construction worker
* ice cream truck driver
* phone sex operator
* health bar seller
* dishwasher in strip club
* Hot Dog on a Stick employee
* pizza deliveryman
* bartender
Agree. If Xander was able to find all those jobs easily I see no reason why Tara and Willow would have struggled to find casual work.

I have spoken at length over the years about the lack of financial sense throughout the series but will sum it up quite simply - I think the writers were all too financially stable to ever really consider what it means to be earning minimum wage or unemployed.

Buffy demanded that Giles is paid in Checkpoint, why didn't she demand that (at the very least) her accommodation, food, and miscellaneous slayer costs were taken care of? Why didn't they sell the house and move to a 2 bedroom apartment? Why wasn't Hank paying child support? Why was Buffy not accepted back to college? Where was Tara getting money from? Ugh.
 

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Agree. If Xander was able to find all those jobs easily I see no reason why Tara and Willow would have struggled to find casual work.

I have spoken at length over the years about the lack of financial sense throughout the series but will sum it up quite simply - I think the writers were all too financially stable to ever really consider what it means to be earning minimum wage or unemployed.

Buffy demanded that Giles is paid in Checkpoint, why didn't she demand that (at the very least) her accommodation, food, and miscellaneous slayer costs were taken care of? Why didn't they sell the house and move to a 2 bedroom apartment? Why wasn't Hank paying child support? Why was Buffy not accepted back to college? Where was Tara getting money from? Ugh.
Exactly. When you look at it logically none of the day-to-day makes sense. You have to suspend disbelief about so much already it would have been nice if the attitude wasn't 'eh, who cares, it's not a show about reality' by the writers.
 

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Not to mention that in Doublemeat Palace, Willow is the one who found out that their burgers were processed vegetable matter with beef fat mixed in and Buffy went to Doublemeat Palace just to get her job back. Both of them could have lived high off the hog by blackmailing Doublemeat Palace.
 
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Agree. If Xander was able to find all those jobs easily I see no reason why Tara and Willow would have struggled to find casual work.

I have spoken at length over the years about the lack of financial sense throughout the series but will sum it up quite simply - I think the writers were all too financially stable to ever really consider what it means to be earning minimum wage or unemployed.

Buffy demanded that Giles is paid in Checkpoint, why didn't she demand that (at the very least) her accommodation, food, and miscellaneous slayer costs were taken care of? Why didn't they sell the house and move to a 2 bedroom apartment? Why wasn't Hank paying child support? Why was Buffy not accepted back to college? Where was Tara getting money from? Ugh.
As someone who has bad credit and lived mostly in apartments & mobile homes, I would NOT sell a house that has a probable 20% down payment & 4 years of mortgage paid off already. It was a two story house with a front & backyard, separate room for dining, large living room, large kitchen, and a basement. The only bad feature was it had only one bathroom which I still find weird.

If the house was say $200k then I bet Joyce put up $40k down payment + got a 15 year mortgage which would equal $888 a month. So Joyce probably paid $85k of the $200k. Add in the months between Joyce's death & Buffy's resurrection, it's up to $91k of $200k. So at 20 years old Buffy would be nearly halfway there into owning her own house in suburbia. By 30 she would only have to pay state tax & utilities.

For Hank to pay child support, you have to demand it. My mom never made my biological father pay.

Buffy wasn't accepted back in college because she missed the deadline for re-enrollment. That's what the letter in As You Were said. She had to apply by January 15th if she wanted to return in the fall.

Is it a strike against Giles that he only coughed for Buffy to add retroactively to his pay and not for her to be paid too? Kinda selfish of him. Especially acting all put out later in the year when she accepted his one check to not be living in a house with severe water damage.
 
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Exactly. When you look at it logically none of the day-to-day makes sense. You have to suspend disbelief about so much already it would have been nice if the attitude wasn't 'eh, who cares, it's not a show about reality' by the writers.
I agree, I have no problem with suspending disbelief when it comes to the boring day-to-day stuff either, but when they deliberately make it a seasons focus it should be done correctly.

Not to mention that in Doublemeat Palace, Willow is the one who found out that their burgers were processed vegetable matter with beef fat mixed in and Buffy went to Doublemeat Palace just to get her job back. Both of them could have lived high off the hog by blackmailing Doublemeat Palace.
I just can't see Buffy ever blackmailing anyone. You can tell by her expression that it isn't even something that she considered.

As someone who has bad credit and lived mostly in apartments & mobile homes, I would NOT sell a house that has a probable 20% down payment & 4 years of mortgage paid off already. It was a two story house with a front & backyard, separate room for dining, large living room, large kitchen, and a basement. The only bad feature was it had only one bathroom which I still find weird.

If the house was say $200k then I bet Joyce put up $40k down payment + got a 15 year mortgage which would equal $888 a month. So Joyce probably paid $85k of the $200k. Add in the months between Joyce's death & Buffy's resurrection, it's up to $91k of $200k. So at 20 years old Buffy would be nearly halfway there into owning her own house in suburbia. By 30 she would only have to pay state tax & utilities.
I can understand where you are coming from, but the financial strain that a mortgage had on her was quite large. If she had 91k in her pocket, a job, and was paying minimal rent she would be in a far better situation.

For Hank to pay child support, you have to demand it. My mom never made my biological father pay.
I don't see any reason why Buffy wouldn't have expected Hank to pay child support. He very obviously had quite a bit of money.

Buffy wasn't accepted back in college because she missed the deadline for re-enrollment. That's what the letter in As You Were said. She had to apply by January 15th if she wanted to return in the fall.
To be fair, I don't really know how late admissions work in America, and just assumed that it wouldn't have factored too highly into her re-enrollment. Over here you can enrol into courses the day before they start. I know, because I am lazy and often forget to do so until the day before haha.

Is it a strike against Giles that he only coughed for Buffy to add retroactively to his pay and not for her to be paid too? Kinda selfish of him. Especially acting all put out later in the year when she accepted his one check to not be living in a house with severe water damage.
Yes, I think it was out of character for Giles to be so strange about providing Buffy with money. Giles in Season 6 onwards is kind of a selfish jerk in general really. Classic Joss Whedon move of punishing characters for actors decisions.
 

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I thought this all the time. This season pisses me off so much. Willow is probably on Scholarship to crappy UC Sunnyvale after being accepted to HARVARD. WHY is she not getting a job? Also WHY is Willow not using magic to repair the house? Like she can decorate the house for a party with a snap.... or how about BRINGING SOMEONE BACK FROM THE DEAD..... and she can’t fix a broken window/coffee table/dry out the basement!

how about in the Riley episode where buffy comes home after work then patrolling (and Spike Sex) to a kitchen OVERFLOWING with dirty dishes. Like wtf Willow and Dawn live there too!
 
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I haven't read this entire thread yet, but something just occurred to me, and I want to ask before I forget.

Has the possibility been suggested that Giles might actually be paying the Scoobies to keep track of, and protect Dawn while Buffy was gone, or at least handled all the bills? He and the girls most likely moved in for pretty much that reason. That certainly doesn't explain why all of Joyce's savings was just about gone, but her exorbitant medical bills, plus possibly a failed business might. Just the expense of Joyce's funeral alone would be several thousand dollars for the most modest of ceremonies. If Joyce had had no life insurance (maybe she thought that the joint account that she no doubt shared with Hank was still in effect) and inadequate medical insurance.

Just a thought, and I'll check back later.
 

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What a fantastic post.......People praising Buffy, loving Buffy, posting what a hard time she had what a hero she is.......Sorry I must be on the wrong board
No ... saying a person made mistakes isn't the same as saying they're horrible. That said I get sick of hearing that a person coping with a lot of responsibility and continually plate spinning in season seven is horrible because she snapped and told everyone she was fed up with doing all the work or that she deserved to have everyone turn on her because she said someone needed to be in charge. I felt some people had points but so did she.

Buffy should have had the trappings of a real well-to-do households in a poor neighbourhood: two cars up on blocks on the front lawn.
Isn't Xander the main driver of the Scoobies and he doesn't live there. Joyce's car had probably already been sold. I don't think Buffy ever learns to drive does she?
 

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I feel like xander was basically everyone handy man and sugar daddy he was the only one bringing in big bucks
 

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I haven't read this entire thread yet, but something just occurred to me, and I want to ask before I forget.

Has the possibility been suggested that Giles might actually be paying the Scoobies to keep track of, and protect Dawn while Buffy was gone, or at least handled all the bills? He and the girls most likely moved in for pretty much that reason. That certainly doesn't explain why all of Joyce's savings was just about gone, but her exorbitant medical bills, plus possibly a failed business might. Just the expense of Joyce's funeral alone would be several thousand dollars for the most modest of ceremonies. If Joyce had had no life insurance (maybe she thought that the joint account that she no doubt shared with Hank was still in effect) and inadequate medical insurance.

Just a thought, and I'll check back later.
there was nothing to protect with Dawn anymore. She is not a key anymore just a normal human. Not to mention Glory is now dead.

Giles was not living with them.

I feel like xander was basically everyone handy man and sugar daddy he was the only one bringing in big bucks
Xander and Anya has to be rich as hell.
Xander a foreman and specialist carpenter had to be making easily $150k+ a year. And Giles said when he bought the Magic shop just how profitable it was and they turned it into a super busy store. Anya also must have been making BANK.
 

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there was nothing to protect with Dawn anymore.
They couldn't be sure of that. Ben was dead, but they couldn't be 100% certain that Glory might not pop up in some other human form at any moment, and Spike, at least, was adamant about seeing that Dawn was never left alone, at least during the dark hours. (I know, that is somewhat contradicted by the opening scene, when he was shown patroling with the Slayers, so there is an inconsistency there) As for Dawn no longer being the Key, it was established in Season 11 of the Dark Horse series that she was, indeed, still the Key, and always would be. Gilse would have been suspicious of such being true, even if he didn't know for a certainty.

Xander and Anya has to be rich as hell.
Xander a foreman and specialist carpenter had to be making easily $150k+ a year.
Xander was shown working with a heavy construction company, which is basically short term work. When one project is finished, the crew is laid off until the next job comes up, at which time a new crew is hired, based on seniority in rate according to their Union contract. Xander had only been working for the construction company had hired him, and given that he had only been working with them for a few months, (remember, in Season 5, he delivered pizzas, a minimum pay job at best) could not be drawing much more than Helper pay, which is the lowest Union covered rate, so his pay would be nowhere near $150k+ a year, and he was only made foreman, (a non Union job, therefore not requiring seniority) of his own crew later, well into Season 6.

Granted, he demonstrated skill as a specialist carpenter, but his actual paying job was shown to be heavy construction worker on a large building in what would have had to be in the early to mid stage of construction. Carpenters wouldn't be called in until the final stage of construction, when the actual rooms were under construction, and, again, those are specialty jobe, requiring years, if not decades of apprenticeship.

Finally, as for Giles not living in Buffy's house during the summer, we never saw him living anywhere else during that time, and he did apparently live there after she returned, so I think that it is a fair bet that he lived there all summer as well. Of course, that's just an assumption on my part.
 

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They couldn't be sure of that. Ben was dead, but they couldn't be 100% certain that Glory might not pop up in some other human form at any moment, and Spike, at least, was adamant about seeing that Dawn was never left alone, at least during the dark hours. (I know, that is somewhat contradicted by the opening scene, when he was shown patroling with the Slayers, so there is an inconsistency there) As for Dawn no longer being the Key, it was established in Season 11 of the Dark Horse series that she was, indeed, still the Key, and always would be. Gilse would have been suspicious of such being true, even if he didn't know for a certainty.



Xander was shown working with a heavy construction company, which is basically short term work. When one project is finished, the crew is laid off until the next job comes up, at which time a new crew is hired, based on seniority in rate according to their Union contract. Xander had only been working for the construction company had hired him, and given that he had only been working with them for a few months, (remember, in Season 5, he delivered pizzas, a minimum pay job at best) could not be drawing much more than Helper pay, which is the lowest Union covered rate, so his pay would be nowhere near $150k+ a year, and he was only made foreman, (a non Union job, therefore not requiring seniority) of his own crew later, well into Season 6.

Granted, he demonstrated skill as a specialist carpenter, but his actual paying job was shown to be heavy construction worker on a large building in what would have had to be in the early to mid stage of construction. Carpenters wouldn't be called in until the final stage of construction, when the actual rooms were under construction, and, again, those are specialty jobe, requiring years, if not decades of apprenticeship.

Finally, as for Giles not living in Buffy's house during the summer, we never saw him living anywhere else during that time, and he did apparently live there after she returned, so I think that it is a fair bet that he lived there all summer as well. Of course, that's just an assumption on my part.
Pretty sure Xander was brought on full time in The Replacement episode season 5, “Good” Xander gets brought into the trailer and given a promotion. And we established during Once More With Feeling that he is running his own crew.

assuming Giles was living in his own home at beginning of season 6, he moved to England so obviously he sold the place/didn’t renew rental.
he was then livingat buffys during season 7 as he was not permanently move back to Subnydale his primary residence was still England
 
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Financial Aid. Though Willow, might've dropped out given the breakup and de-ratting Amy/Rack but Tara may have been the only person in the gang to still been enrolled.

Xander and Anya chipped in a bit (Xander more given Construction Salary to cover both their place and the Revello utilities at times). Though temping ain't easy.

Giles- cruk knows how much money he had let alone what his grams and dad left him with they went or if Watchers even get paid
 

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I do believe that Buffy gets help, but we were not shown that, because if she really was broke, I don't see how she was able to still live in that house with new wardrobe from October to the end of January without a job.
Thus, I truly think both this year really showed how real life stuff got handled poorly. The paradigm shift from slaying and real life troubles of a college age person to what we were presented was much evident the moment Dawn and Glory came into play, same here and more blatant the moment the Potentials got introduced the following year. I mean, shit, we've not gotten enough time to see Buffy take in her guidance counselor role for the newly rebuilt Sunnydale High.
 

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Pretty sure Xander was brought on full time in The Replacement episode season 5, “Good” Xander gets brought into the trailer and given a promotion
Believe me when I say that this is how it would work, since I worked this sort of job for 40 years before retiring. Running a crew simply means that there were several guys working on a job that he was for some reason put in charge of. In union jargon, that's called a "lead journeyman," which is also not very likely unless the other crew members were non-union workers, temporary workers who are hired on a daily or weekly basis, which is likely, since he was able to hire Buffy, obviously a non-union worker. Either that, or the job was offered to all of the others, and they turned it down. A lot of people simply don't want the responsibly of running a crew, especially if the monetary increase wasn't all that much, which is sometimes the case. Such things happen occasionally in heavy construction work, where temporary workers are not registered as actual employees and are paid cash either daily or weekly, so there's no record of them and no tax deductions taken out on them. Illegal, certainly, but more common than you might think. Usually, but not always, they are undocumented aliens, underage, or drawing disability insurance and don't want to lose that money by having any sort of record that they are back at work.

(Okay, granted, this is the Buffyverse, not he real world, but disbelief can be suspended only so much, and this goe beyond those limits for me. I also count how many times the cowboys in the movies shoot their supposedly six shot revolvers before reloading)

Xander wasn't shown wearing a suit and actually managing a construction site on hs own until Season 7, at which time he actually could have given Buffy financial assistance, assuming tat Anya would allow it.
 
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