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Why the hell don't Willow and Tara get jobs?

Anyanka Bunny Slayer

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A soulless undead penis
The thing that came between us
It had no blood, it caused no strife
Yet Buffy rode it into life

Woeful penis, you jump and dance
Right past Buffy's underpants
Oh noble penis, you give her joy
Thou art her most favourite toy!

 
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What in s6 made it seem unrealistic that she was actually poor?

She scrubbed grass stains off of her jacket. She substituted some of their dinners with free fast food from work. She never went out to do fun expensive things. She went to one of those cheap walk-in salons (like Super Cuts) to fix her hair after she hacked it off. She was never shown buying things. Her only expenses were house maintenance, electricity, and food.
Keeping a house, keeping everything clean (I recall the time and money it took to keep a place clean that was much smaller than Buffy's, and we didn't have multiple people, and worse, a kid, nor did we have to worry about things like bloodstains, and btw, that lawn looks very well maintained as well), Gods, her insurance had to be through the roof (or she paid out of pocket), and even if Xander provided free repairs it still would cost the supplies of those repairs. And then there are the property taxes, whatever they are.

Of course having multiple people living there is going to add significantly to the expense, from all the extra food required (even if Buffy got a free sack of food to take with her it would be for only her--unless she showed a different set of ethics than when she refused to take a bribe to be silent about how a corporation was lying to its customers) to hot water (especially when keeping that bedding clean, as many people having sex in them like to do on a regular basis, but even the extra dishwashing and hot showers are going to add up), and more power and everything else. And they didn't seem to lack for food for all of them (plus guests) and even brought pizza for all of them who knows how often.

A kid not only adds to those expenses, but brings new ones as well, even if she doesn't join any sports teams, marching bands, or the like. And Dawn's stealing didn't seem like it would alleviate expenses, and had to be paid back eventually anyway (good thing there weren't legal expenses on top of that). And if there were security tags on them then those clothes weren't coming from thrift stores, and yet no one seemed surprised that Dawn had money to buy some as a present.

Cosmetics that they all wore also quickly add up, even for one person, especially if one doesn't get the bargain bin cosmetics (which are obvious, and frankly worse than nothing, IMO). And btw, your explanation of clothes, while feasible, is also reaching, particularly when considering how those name brands would fare in the kinds of violence she routinely engaged in, not to mention the blood stains and such. Back when I first saw season 6, I actually was making more money with few expenses than Buffy and still found it difficult even by using thrift stores (and I avoided the name brands as I had no interest in such).

Same for electronics that Willow used. (Back when I first saw season 6, the computer I had was bad enough even after lots of bargaining, and I understood why people called it "Frankenstein.") And this isn't even including the Buffybot which got destroyed at the start of the season (nor am I counting the weird and even unique occult stuff they were buying, though I should since that all probably equaled "hospital bills" if not more). ('Course that's a good source of potential revenue in the hands of Willow, but the writers and many viewers confuse "depressing" for "realistic.")


On top of all of this, there are other expenses still. (I could mention Xander's rent and the dream wedding that should've been out of his price range, and good gods how his family should howl if they helped finance it, or even just for the plane tickets, but I'll skip him.) In season 2, the owner of the Magic Box said the new agers helped put one of his kids through college (another outrageous expense), and given the typical price in new age stores, I'm not surprised. (I still remember a few jokes told by Wiccans about the outrageous prices set by new age speakers, businesses, and the like.)

And Willow was almost certainly getting her witchy supplies from the Magic Box, and one that Anya would not be letting her have for free. Since Willow wasn't using magic by the time Buffy was back (at least not for long) she can't get by using magic to cover the expenses she wasn't paying so that she could have all her herbs, crystals, and more exotic fare (btw, I'm not including candles since they're easy enough to make, though I'm probably assuming too much by assuming Willow made her own). And that's on top of her own personal expenses (but not on the hot water and power she uses, etc) and college.

And now I'm getting tired. Suffice to say I don't buy that Buffy was only paying cheap utility bills and a tight budget, and it strikes me as unlikely that Willow, Tara, and Xander could alleviate her financial burdens much even if they wanted to, but would just add to her financial burden while indulging themselves.


But it would've been interesting to actually see her in a thrift store, and also getting food at the food bank which could be a source for more angst as well as more demonic encounters, but that's a missed opportunity (the writers probably don't even really know what a food bank is). Tax refunds would help, but not solve it, and there are programs to help single women, especially with dependents, but the writers wouldn't know about that either. Realism would've been interesting, but season 6 didn't give us that.
 
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I still think s6 does have realistic aspects of short term poverty, stress and adult responsibilities with zero family support. Buffy and Xander bring the only ones who experience it. Some parts you mention @thrasherpix only come into play with long term poverty. I know for me, it took a year before I even found a food bank that was running - and then it was only running because I worked in it. It was a surprise to find out that I had been eligible for it for 12 years, but you need a government low income card to be able to access it. I dont know about the US but they dont make this stuff common knowledge. Plus, what is available in food bank here is probably worse for you to live off than the doublemeat palace food was!

Once Buffy got her jobs and Giles cheque , she would have had more leeway with credit and the bank. Things like cleaning products are not expensive if you make your own. I dont wear make up often myself, so mine does last many years haha. Utilities can be put off for months, if not years, and she wasnt in poverty that long. She didnt have car expenses, the bank isnt going to repossess a house in such a short time, and I am doubtful Giles would ever had let Buffy sell the house. A secure home is the HARDEST thing to get when living on nothing. Willow and Tara were nothing more than unashamed freeloaders.

I am more concerned that Willow and Tara did not start to budget a long time before Buffy got back. If they hadnt succeeded in getting her back, who would have paid the bills? Is this the real reason Willow was so blindly desperate to bring her back? They didnt have a plan for Dawns future or Buffy's home, they were not seen to be trying to reduce costs or bring income in anywhere. We saw Buffy do both - and while at her weakest.
 

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I didn't have a problem with it until they talked about how realistic it was. It's no worse than any other season, just different, but it's not better in terms of realism, either, so creating a headcanon to explain it can be done, but going by the general bad writing I'm not going to believe that the writers knew what they were writing about. People late on payments or making partial payments are better than no payments, and in Sunnydale one has to take what they can get. Plus, bill collectors and such are likely getting killed with everyone else. Vampires living in old homes probably do target those who might try to take their home. Spike found it useful to kill one person and use her home to breed new vampires (season 7), and other vampires doing something similar could target the same people that would give Buffy problems.

I'd have loved to seen food banks and other services incorporated. They could've done some good stuff with that. OTOH, perhaps it's best that they didn't as they wouldn't know anything about it, and couldn't be bothered to learn anything about it before writing about it.

Food banks vary in quality. The one I used to volunteer at even had farm goods, my primary job was to go through and get rid of what wasn't good for human consumption. All one needed was ID and a social security number (and be of legal age), and one could actually lose government benefits if they gained too much from the food bank and other private charities. There was also a difference between the homeless and those in Buffy's position, and depending on what you needed and were after. Some people had case files (Buffy likely would've had one) while others got less. Unfortunately, a scummy preacher embezzled from them causing the place to shut down but that is neither here nor there. Others stepped in.

Another trick that Tara at least should know is crashing art shows and the like for free food. It's a lot better and ironically less guarded than free samples at mall food courts. ;)
 

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Keeping a house, keeping everything clean (I recall the time and money it took to keep a place clean that was much smaller than Buffy's, and we didn't have multiple people, and worse, a kid, nor did we have to worry about things like bloodstains, and btw, that lawn looks very well maintained as well), Gods, her insurance had to be through the roof (or she paid out of pocket), and even if Xander provided free repairs it still would cost the supplies of those repairs. And then there are the property taxes, whatever they are.

Of course having multiple people living there is going to add significantly to the expense, from all the extra food required (even if Buffy got a free sack of food to take with her it would be for only her--unless she showed a different set of ethics than when she refused to take a bribe to be silent about how a corporation was lying to its customers) to hot water (especially when keeping that bedding clean, as many people having sex in them like to do on a regular basis, but even the extra dishwashing and hot showers are going to add up), and more power and everything else. And they didn't seem to lack for food for all of them (plus guests) and even brought pizza for all of them who knows how often.

A kid not only adds to those expenses, but brings new ones as well, even if she doesn't join any sports teams, marching bands, or the like. And Dawn's stealing didn't seem like it would alleviate expenses, and had to be paid back eventually anyway (good thing there weren't legal expenses on top of that). And if there were security tags on them then those clothes weren't coming from thrift stores, and yet no one seemed surprised that Dawn had money to buy some as a present.

Cosmetics that they all wore also quickly add up, even for one person, especially if one doesn't get the bargain bin cosmetics (which are obvious, and frankly worse than nothing, IMO). And btw, your explanation of clothes, while feasible, is also reaching, particularly when considering how those name brands would fare in the kinds of violence she routinely engaged in, not to mention the blood stains and such. Back when I first saw season 6, I actually was making more money with few expenses than Buffy and still found it difficult even by using thrift stores (and I avoided the name brands as I had no interest in such).

Same for electronics that Willow used. (Back when I first saw season 6, the computer I had was bad enough even after lots of bargaining, and I understood why people called it "Frankenstein.") And this isn't even including the Buffybot which got destroyed at the start of the season (nor am I counting the weird and even unique occult stuff they were buying, though I should since that all probably equaled "hospital bills" if not more). ('Course that's a good source of potential revenue in the hands of Willow, but the writers and many viewers confuse "depressing" for "realistic.")


On top of all of this, there are other expenses still. (I could mention Xander's rent and the dream wedding that should've been out of his price range, and good gods how his family should howl if they helped finance it, or even just for the plane tickets, but I'll skip him.) In season 2, the owner of the Magic Box said the new agers helped put one of his kids through college (another outrageous expense), and given the typical price in new age stores, I'm not surprised. (I still remember a few jokes told by Wiccans about the outrageous prices set by new age speakers, businesses, and the like.)

And Willow was almost certainly getting her witchy supplies from the Magic Box, and one that Anya would not be letting her have for free. Since Willow wasn't using magic by the time Buffy was back (at least not for long) she can't get by using magic to cover the expenses she wasn't paying so that she could have all her herbs, crystals, and more exotic fare (btw, I'm not including candles since they're easy enough to make, though I'm probably assuming too much by assuming Willow made her own). And that's on top of her own personal expenses (but not on the hot water and power she uses, etc) and college.

And now I'm getting tired. Suffice to say I don't buy that Buffy was only paying cheap utility bills and a tight budget, and it strikes me as unlikely that Willow, Tara, and Xander could alleviate her financial burdens much even if they wanted to, but would just add to her financial burden while indulging themselves.


But it would've been interesting to actually see her in a thrift store, and also getting food at the food bank which could be a source for more angst as well as more demonic encounters, but that's a missed opportunity (the writers probably don't even really know what a food bank is). Tax refunds would help, but not solve it, and there are programs to help single women, especially with dependents, but the writers wouldn't know about that either. Realism would've been interesting, but season 6 didn't give us that.
Willow wasn't using herbs/crystals/candles the entire time she quit magic. That is from December to May. In Gone, Buffy went room to room of the house getting rid of anything remotely magic related to make it easier on her. There were lots of boxes.

Willow already had the laptop. She's had one since high school.

Buffy was surprised by the leather jacket but probably figured one of her friends gave her the money. Xander & Anya both had steady jobs, moving up in construction and running a successful store.

My late grandparents lived in a house with a big front and backyard. There were roses and bushes and a lemon tree and the grass (in the front at least) looked nice. They did it themselves on limited income.

Who was having sex? The closest to the house Buffy had sex with Spike was the front yard. Tara moved out one month after the resurrection and Willow stayed single. Dawn had one kiss.

I can't think of many expenses 15-16 year old Dawn would have had that'd be different than 20-21 year old Buffy. Hygiene products such as pads, tweezers, lotion, razors, etc. It'd be expensive if it were a baby (diapers alone really set you back).

I've lived in everything from houses to mobile homes to apartments. It never cost much to clean. The only expensive part was steam cleaning the carpet ($100) because the dogs peed too much on it. Other than that it's just paper towels, febreeze, dusting, mopping the kitchen & bathrooms, laundry, and throwing out old food.

Yeah, there were a lot of things I've done as a poor person that weren't shown. But that's not the same as just being unrealistic. It's just not delving as far as they could have with the story. I would've loved to see more of Buffy's 3-4 months living as a waitress in that pay-by-the-month studio. It was more interesting than Faith in the motel (we never see how she paid for it and it looked like she didn't get a job until being Mayor Wilkins' wetworks girl).

Buffy purposely chooses food industry jobs so that she'll never lack food. Diner waitress, fast food worker, barista. Community funded high school counselor is the exception but in the Lessons script she told Wood she just started temping. A lot of offices have tons of free food. Heck, I work in a public library and there is food (cake, donuts, cupcakes) in the breakroom every shift. My dad used to bring home free pizza when he was a porter (like a janitor) in a casino.

It would've been cool if they showed Buffy in s7 temping as her second job since the counselor gig was only 3 days a week. And bringing home all the freebies she could.

Xander's dad paid for the wedding. It says it in the episode. Giles paid for the flowers.
 

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It's pretty difficult to keep a lawn like that in Southern California, and it takes more than excessive watering. While I did keep one with many flowers pretty cheap, not needing a bunch of fertilizers or repellents and the like (and I expect once I left that the new owners will pay a lot of money to have them removed as it won't be easy to get rid of it all, at least if they want a more traditional yard).

I also consider you lucky on cleaning. Back when I first saw season 6 Buffy we had a serious problem with black mold in the basement, and home remedies like vinegar, baking soda, and the like were worthless, and working with those chemicals required plenty of extra gloves, fresh masks, and the like (none expensive in of themselves, but it built up). That would spread to the rest of the house. It was a constant battle (mainly because it got in through the basement and then spread). And being a book lover, I spent time and money keeping the bookshelves clean, and the books free of it. All by itself was not a financial burden. It's how it stacks up (like a thousand paper cuts with a few deep cuts thrown in), especially on top of everything else (much like how hot water for one or two people isn't a big deal, but the more people and more washing it builds up). Sometimes the cheap stuff worked (ironically, I found black pepper the best deterrent to ants and won't buy ant traps anymore--and no, there weren't crumbs all over the place), more often than not it won't.

There were quite a few other problems, and talking with others they weren't unique...well, the time that some wasps managed to build a nest in the walls and found a hole in which to come through was pretty unique, and you should've seen how many dead wasps there were after we bug bombed the place. That one is a story that freaks out most of our friends and I've only heard (friend of a friend) of similar cases.

We've been hit for all sorts of expenses for kids in school even without counting the extracurricular activities, and thrift stores wouldn't likely count for all the required clothing in addition to other expenses. Granted, Buffy could've said "no" to a lot of it, in which case Dawn was unusual graceful about it.


You've softened me somewhat on this (mainly because I'm counting stuff from early on, which in my experience will follow you for a long while, and I find it doubtful that "medical expenses" is why the money ran out), but I'm just not seeing a lot of it. For example, I certainly don't see how Buffy purposely chose the food industry so she'd never lack food, and I don't know of any fast food place that gives free food (save maybe as a meal for a single person), and the McDonald's someone I knew worked at had strict policies about giving food even to employees (beyond maybe a sack lunch for the one person) as they feared it would turn into a lot of theft by employees. 'Course one can take food on the sly but that doesn't sound like the actions of someone who refused to blackmail or even take a bribe to stay silent, and even if she did, I doubt it would be enough to make much of a difference as the place isn't looking to throw a lot of food away by making more than they need. And my impression is that the writers thought about the only job available to someone without college was fast food and construction with some retail, not that Buffy was being clever.

Perhaps ironically, I don't think money would've been a problem if it were more realistic, at least not if they're clever and can think outside the box even a little bit. And technically Buffy is not responsible for her mother's medical bills. It's POSSIBLE (not sure on this) that the hospital could seize the Summers home and sell it if "Buffy" didn't pay off the rest, though if Joyce really had set things up well then that seems very unlikely to me. Laws in California are pretty good about protecting people from medical debt, and medical professionals can, at least sometimes, find governmental sources in the case of someone dying. But, no, Buffy's gotta suffer.

Though all in all it's a minor point. It's other stuff that I consider much less realistic, but that's another topic. Suffice to say that on this front I did not relate to season 6 though I was living on a limited budget with plenty of expenses at the time, including for home repairs, many of which I had to figure out on my own and juryrig solutions. I get the impression that what you and I consider expensive are different.


And Xander's dad paid for that wedding? I consider that a silver lining since he got screwed over. But given what jacked up prices dream weddings cost, which was piled on top of air fair and lots of alcohol, he could probably afford it given that he didn't sem to care about it (maybe he lit up a cigar with a burning hundred dollar bill while he was at it). The show missed some angst by not showing his rage and demanding Xander pay him back, but then I don't doubt the writers can't help but think money grows on trees so wouldn't see it as a big deal, not on a gut level.
 

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Buffy should have had the trappings of a real well-to-do households in a poor neighbourhood: two cars up on blocks on the front lawn.
 

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Look, whatever happened with the money issue, it was over by season 7, as it never gets mentioned again. Which doesn't make any sense, as both Tara and Willow were out of the house, neither Buffy nor Dawn were working, and there was no explanation of why they are keeping this house at all, or why they aren't living with Hank. So, it was clearly an poorly thought out idea the show had that was never committed to and was latter dropped. Just like why Anya wasn't homeless for two years, or where was Cordie's family living after their impoverishment, or Xander's Homer Simpson poverty. Besides, this is Buffy, not Rosanne. This was never going to be a realistic show about poor white people. If you need an answer, Buffy had plenty of money, but simply went into a panic attack after having a lot of up front expenses and seeing the full cost of having to run a household. She got her bills paid, and now savings and Hank's child support is enough to live on. And treasure chests.
 

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It's pretty difficult to keep a lawn like that in Southern California, and it takes more than excessive watering. While I did keep one with many flowers pretty cheap, not needing a bunch of fertilizers or repellents and the like (and I expect once I left that the new owners will pay a lot of money to have them removed as it won't be easy to get rid of it all, at least if they want a more traditional yard).

I also consider you lucky on cleaning. Back when I first saw season 6 Buffy we had a serious problem with black mold in the basement, and home remedies like vinegar, baking soda, and the like were worthless, and working with those chemicals required plenty of extra gloves, fresh masks, and the like (none expensive in of themselves, but it built up). That would spread to the rest of the house. It was a constant battle (mainly because it got in through the basement and then spread). And being a book lover, I spent time and money keeping the bookshelves clean, and the books free of it. All by itself was not a financial burden. It's how it stacks up (like a thousand paper cuts with a few deep cuts thrown in), especially on top of everything else (much like how hot water for one or two people isn't a big deal, but the more people and more washing it builds up). Sometimes the cheap stuff worked (ironically, I found black pepper the best deterrent to ants and won't buy ant traps anymore--and no, there weren't crumbs all over the place), more often than not it won't.

There were quite a few other problems, and talking with others they weren't unique...well, the time that some wasps managed to build a nest in the walls and found a hole in which to come through was pretty unique, and you should've seen how many dead wasps there were after we bug bombed the place. That one is a story that freaks out most of our friends and I've only heard (friend of a friend) of similar cases.

We've been hit for all sorts of expenses for kids in school even without counting the extracurricular activities, and thrift stores wouldn't likely count for all the required clothing in addition to other expenses. Granted, Buffy could've said "no" to a lot of it, in which case Dawn was unusual graceful about it.


You've softened me somewhat on this (mainly because I'm counting stuff from early on, which in my experience will follow you for a long while, and I find it doubtful that "medical expenses" is why the money ran out), but I'm just not seeing a lot of it. For example, I certainly don't see how Buffy purposely chose the food industry so she'd never lack food, and I don't know of any fast food place that gives free food (save maybe as a meal for a single person), and the McDonald's someone I knew worked at had strict policies about giving food even to employees (beyond maybe a sack lunch for the one person) as they feared it would turn into a lot of theft by employees. 'Course one can take food on the sly but that doesn't sound like the actions of someone who refused to blackmail or even take a bribe to stay silent, and even if she did, I doubt it would be enough to make much of a difference as the place isn't looking to throw a lot of food away by making more than they need. And my impression is that the writers thought about the only job available to someone without college was fast food and construction with some retail, not that Buffy was being clever.

Perhaps ironically, I don't think money would've been a problem if it were more realistic, at least not if they're clever and can think outside the box even a little bit. And technically Buffy is not responsible for her mother's medical bills. It's POSSIBLE (not sure on this) that the hospital could seize the Summers home and sell it if "Buffy" didn't pay off the rest, though if Joyce really had set things up well then that seems very unlikely to me. Laws in California are pretty good about protecting people from medical debt, and medical professionals can, at least sometimes, find governmental sources in the case of someone dying. But, no, Buffy's gotta suffer.

Though all in all it's a minor point. It's other stuff that I consider much less realistic, but that's another topic. Suffice to say that on this front I did not relate to season 6 though I was living on a limited budget with plenty of expenses at the time, including for home repairs, many of which I had to figure out on my own and juryrig solutions. I get the impression that what you and I consider expensive are different.


And Xander's dad paid for that wedding? I consider that a silver lining since he got screwed over. But given what jacked up prices dream weddings cost, which was piled on top of air fair and lots of alcohol, he could probably afford it given that he didn't sem to care about it (maybe he lit up a cigar with a burning hundred dollar bill while he was at it). The show missed some angst by not showing his rage and demanding Xander pay him back, but then I don't doubt the writers can't help but think money grows on trees so wouldn't see it as a big deal, not on a gut level.
Xander's dad raged at him since he was a little kid. He was literally his bogeyman in the basement in Restless (a version of the Ugly Man) and he didn't marry Anya because he didn't want to become his dad and hurt her like his dad hurt his mom. I'm glad we didn't see his reaction.

What required clothing would Dawn have? She attended public school and wasn't in any groups. Though she sometimes spent the night at friend's houses. She was a dork and keeping a big secret from her peers.

My grandparents' house was in Southern California. I've lived in San Bernardino, Colton, San Jacinto, Riverside. I live in Las Vegas and this is literally a desert with some of the country's worst water (excluding places like Flint of course) but there are still some people who forgo rocks and cacti for green grass and flowers. One of my coworkers is growing his own vegetable garden.

Don't get me wrong, I've lived in plenty of places that channeled the murderous inbred killer house from Wrong Turn. Cockroaches, water bugs, mice coming out of the sink, fire & water damage on the ceiling, etc. And lots of dangerous neighborhoods. One place I lived a guy was shot to death in our parking space, in another a girl was sexually assaulted in the laundry room, in another a guy was removed in a Hannibal Lector type chair with face mask, and where I live right now I've been out walking my dog and seen helicopter searchlights directly overhead at least half a dozen times. Not that it stops me from walking in the middle of the night.

And yet in other places, I can have dirty dishes on the floor for a week and no bugs, not even ants.

No matter where I go, I bring my books with me. I have maybe a thousand. And they are almost exclusively secondhand so I get the worry over mold. I got rid of one that looked like it had it.

Oh, I'm cheap. I once was mistaken for a homeless person. Very hippy chic. I spent my last birthday at the Goodwill. The only really expensive thing I own is my laptop and excessive amounts of tv shows on DVD. But I will occasionally get something that's $20 or $30 because it's fan related and I'm too big a geek to pass it up.
 

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I'm getting worn out on this topic...though I think it might be worth talking about (in another thread) prices at the Bronze, a place with little competition and needing regular repairs.

Long story short, I consider season 2 and 5 darker than season 6, and I consider seasons 4 and 5 closer to realistic than season 6. Don't tell me I dislike season because it's too realistic or dark and I'll be happy.
 

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Why don't they get jobs? Because then Buffy would have one less thing to be depressed about which means one less reason to jump unto soulless, undead penises.
That's one hell of a visual. lol
I didn't know penises had souls.
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why can't you give karma to karma? :cool:o_O
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what the heck?
 
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A fast food industry that only employed brain dead white morons, ( apart from Buffy ) no other races ? mixed races ? in fact Buffy was lacking in that area full stop
Buffy is still working there at the start of seven , one thing I dislike about the S6 is that it showed Buffy having to be degraded at every turn ( pretense of growing up ) just to pile on the agony so our hero went to Spike
I find the implication that working in a fast food industry as degrading I find not very palatable it is mentioned by Snider at Buffy interview when she try's to get into School ( sausage on a stick )
At the end of S6 Whedon was told that if Double meat palace raised its ugly head again the sponsors would pull the funding hence only mention once by Buffy to Woods in S7
The writers on S6 and 7 had obviously never watched BTVS they did not know who and what she was
 

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It's possible that Joyce's life insurance (Tara says she had it) paid off the mortgage on the house on her death. With both Willow & Tara as students it's also possible they had student loans. Regardless of no mortgage or rent payments you'd still have electricity, gas, water, taxes and food. I expect they couldn't have carried on living the way they did forever; supporting themselves and a teenage girl. Perhaps this is also a reason for Willow to bring Buffy back? I mean it's totally selfish, but we already know Willow can be totally selfish in getting what she wants.

It no doubt contributed to Buffy's state of mind; she's resurrected from the dead and they aren't even trying to support the family financially. I would have much preferred to see Willow & Tara actually trying to support themselves and Dawn, to at least show Buffy they were trying in her absence. :rolleyes:
 

Scooby Corps

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Right. They resurrected Buffy for the money... this is just ... I can't even...


Why not just reprogram the Buffybot? I mean, she's the perfect money-spinning slave.

 

thenewbuzwuzz

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A soulless undead penis
The thing that came between us
It had no blood, it caused no strife
Yet Buffy rode it into life

Woeful penis, you jump and dance
Right past Buffy's underpants
Oh noble penis, you give her joy
Thou art her most favourite toy!

I registered at the site just to applaud this work of art. A sincere thank you for enriching the world with it.
 
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joseph

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Might be different in the US. But here you live off a grant. But then here you don't pay the fees back till later anyway. I know that Willow's parents were quite well off so could probably support her.
Tara did not have a family as anyone who saw family the hated her so she had on one to support her.
 

Mr Trick

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Tara did not have a family as anyone who saw family the hated her so she had on one to support her.
Sure, but then who knows maybe she got a grant for living on while in higher education. Or maybe she previously had a job and money saved up. Maybe Willow was happy to support the two of them until the day Tara found full-time employment.
 

buffyfan86

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I've been watching Buffy and Angel again recently, and this has always bugged me about Buffy season 6.

Buffy comes back from the dead and Willow and Tara are like, "We've been living in your house and we spent all your money while you were dead. So now that you're back, you have to get a job or we'll all be homeless."

I mean, what would Willow, Tara, and Dawn have done if Buffy hadn't been brought back? Used up all the rest of Buffy's money and then moved onto Xander's couch?
LOL i loved this.. but when you think about it.. the Scoobies were left to raise Dawn
 
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