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Would Buffy Season 2 had been perfect if Darla was in it?

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I would have loved to have seen a modern day version of Angelus/Darla, and Drusilla/Spike massacring the citizens of Sunnydale in Buffy Season 2. They shouldn't had killed her in Season 1 of Buffy
 

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I think they already had enough characters and of course, it was a great setup for Angel where she comes back to life. Also, Buffy had enough to do and if there had been continuous massacres, it wouldn't have reflected well on Buffy.
 

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If they could have avoided Darla being staked in Season 1, instead letting her be the one who let the vampires in Season 2 instead of the Anointed One, who was a totally useless character, anyhow, it would have made more sense. Spike would never have tried to burn her, and pretty much nothing in that scenario would have changed either Angel losing his soul or much, if any of Spike's activities for that Season.

Maybe the finale could have been Angel trying to close the dimensional portal by throwing her in, and gotten dragged in by her for her troubles.
 

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I think S2 is perfect the way it is. It's my second favorite season and I think the Darla we saw in S1 of BtVS - the one who had regressed in the presence and employ of The Master - wouldn't have fit in S2. The Darla we saw in AtS was different, she was away from The Master and she grew and changed and adapted to the environment she found herself in.

I like S2 as it is. I don't think Darla would have made it any better.
 

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No, I can't picture and wouldn't want Darla in season 2. I don't think there was space for her, and the style of the show then I don't think would have allowed her character the same kind of portrayal that it got when she later returned on Angel and in flashbacks. I much prefer her later on.
 

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I think she was wasted in S1. Like someone else said she should have been more central to the whole Master plot and opposed the Scoobies right until the end of the season, they still could have had Angel kill her off.

I don't see a place for her in S2, but if there was a way then I would say it would actually be battling on Buffy's side against Angelus (maybe as revenge?). Just sticking her on the bad team with Angelus/Spike/Dru would be overkill.
 

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I think alot of the wanting more of Darla in season one is simply revisionist history. If Greenwalt did not bring her back in Angel, she would have never appeared again on Buffy, and for the most part all but forgotten. Not many people mention Luke and he was much more important in the first season.
 

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I think alot of the wanting more of Darla in season one is simply revisionist history. If Greenwalt did not bring her back in Angel, she would have never appeared again on Buffy, and for the most part all but forgotten. Not many people mention Luke and he was much more important in the first season.

Wait, but they didn't even know at that point than there was going to be an Angel spin-off? Or are you saying that the importance of her character in Angel or to the Angel character is what makes people think she was wasted in Buffy?

I'm not even thinking like that, pure and simple I think she should have stuck around longer, even then you could see the threat and what Benz bought to the character. Maybe Luke should have had a bigger role too, but then I think you needed Buffy to get a big kill somewhere in the pilot.
 

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are you saying that the importance of her character in Angel or to the Angel character is what makes people think she was wasted in Buffy?
Exactly, because
what Benz bought to the character.
I didn't think she brought anything.. I thought she was rather forgettable. Though she was the smartest vampire, but I just didn't find the character or the actor that appealing at all. She was just an afterthought.
 

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Season 2 is perfectly balanced the way it is. One of the best seasons.

You know the anecdote about the IT specialist and his son?
"Dad, why does the sun rise in the east and set in the west?" The dad, scared: "Hands off son, it works, don't touch it!"
 

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The only thing that could have improved season two maybe would be to lose terrible episodes like Some Assembly Required or Inca Mommy Girl. But then that would kill some of the fun I guess;)
 

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I love love love Darla, but I wouldn't have wanted her in s2 of Buffy (my fav season of the whole Buffyverse). Part of the reason Angelus is so deliciously scary in that season is his sick and twisted obsession with Buffy. If Darla had been around I think it would have demeaned his obsession with Buffy because he would be too busy gettin' busy with Darla. Obviously he could still be obsessed with Buffy like he was with Dru back in the day, but his obsession with Buffy was different than Dru's. Buffy made him feel human, even Angelus loved her on some level which is why he wanted to make her suffer. Darla's presence would have ruined this.
 

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I would've liked to see the Whirlwind in modern day Sunnydale or in LA. I do agree though that Darla wouldn't have much purpose in season 2 and would actually derail it eg Angelus wouldn't be messing around with Drusilla which takes away Spike's reason to go against him. Spike's assistance is the only reason Buffy won in the finale, if she'd had to take on all three vampires she would be dead.
 
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If Darla would be around, Buffy would be fighting 4 vampires instead of 3, but I agree with you nonetheless.

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I would've liked to see the Whirlwind in modern day Sunnydale or in LA. I do agree though that Darla wouldn't have much purpose in season 2 and would actually derail it eg Angelus wouldn't be messing around with Drusilla which takes away Spike's reason to go against him. Spike's assistance is the only reason Buffy won in the finale, if she'd had to take on all three vampires she would be dead.

I agree. Perhaps Darla could have been killed off at a certain point in season two of Buffy after Angelus returns so that Angelus can start messing with Spike by going after Drusilla and then Spike can team up with Buffy and the rest of the season would still play out the same. That way we could have had at least a few episodes of the four of them together. Plus it would have been even more difficult for Buffy to see Angel with his former lover; it could have been part of Angel's torment of her. Take out a few of the bad season two episodes and there could be enough length in the season for this storyline to work. If not this though, the whirlwind in season two of Angel in L.A. would have been fantastic and would have made for an excellent story arc for that season.
 

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I agree. Perhaps Darla could have been killed off at a certain point in season two of Buffy after Angelus returns so that Angelus can start messing with Spike by going after Drusilla and then Spike can team up with Buffy and the rest of the season would still play out the same. That way we could have had at least a few episodes of the four of them together. Plus it would have been even more difficult for Buffy to see Angel with his former lover; it could have been part of Angel's torment of her. Take out a few of the bad season two episodes and there could be enough length in the season for this storyline to work. If not this though, the whirlwind in season two of Angel in L.A. would have been fantastic and would have made for an excellent story arc for that season.

In some ways I think Angel would want to try and redeem his former companions especially if Darla had her soul. He'd want to save Dru because she is his victim and if he can redeem her then it would alleviate his guilt over what he did to her.
 

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I think Season 2 is great, and Darla would have added nothing to the story. Her death in S1 served a purpose, it fleshed out Angel's backstory and made Angel a more compelling character, that was all she was needed for. When Angel got his own show, Darla was more central to his story, so it was understandable that she was bought back.
 

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In some ways I think Angel would want to try and redeem his former companions especially if Darla had her soul. He'd want to save Dru because she is his victim and if he can redeem her then it would alleviate his guilt over what he did to her.

Yes I agree, especially since Darla is the one who sired him and taught him a lot about what it means to be evil. And Spike was like his protege since Spike learned a lot from him about how to be evil and he sees Angelus as a big reason for why he became a monster. As he said in"School Hard" Spike thought of Angelus as his Yoda. So he would feel obligated to try to help them as they are a big part of who he was and who he became as Angelus. And yes they should have had some more focus on Angel's guilt over what he did to Dru and him trying to help her and make up for it since he considers her to be the worst thing he did as Angelus and since one of the main points of Angel's show is his struggle to attain redemption. It also would have allowed for Drusilla's character to be explored more. I always felt that there should have been more moments of Angel feeling guilty over what he did to Dru since he considers her to be the worst thing he ever did. Whenever he confronts her he kind of acts like she's just a crazy vampire that he has to deal with instead of the victim that she was except for the first time he talks to her in Season two and when she is torturing him in "What's my Line Part Two." He does exhibit some guilt and empathy for her when he talks to her in those scenes and when he tells Buffy about what he did to Drusilla.
 
If they could have avoided Darla being staked in Season 1, instead letting her be the one who let the vampires in Season 2 instead of the Anointed One, who was a totally useless character, anyhow, it would have made more sense. Spike would never have tried to burn her, and pretty much nothing in that scenario would have changed either Angel losing his soul or much, if any of Spike's activities for that Season.

Maybe the finale could have been Angel trying to close the dimensional portal by throwing her in, and gotten dragged in by her for her troubles.

I agree. Also, Angel becoming Angelus again for the first time in 100 years could be even more impactful as a storyline in season two of Buffy with Darla there to experience it and give her feedback about how she feels about seeing him as Angelus again. That would have been interesting as well to have Angel become Angelus again on the seasons of Angel when Darla was around to see her reaction to it.

I do enjoy the scene where Spike kills the Annointed One so I wouldn't mind if they kept that part in but still had Darla there :D That's probably one of Spike's top moments in the show for me.
 

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I love love love Darla, but I wouldn't have wanted her in s2 of Buffy (my fav season of the whole Buffyverse). Part of the reason Angelus is so deliciously scary in that season is his sick and twisted obsession with Buffy. If Darla had been around I think it would have demeaned his obsession with Buffy because he would be too busy gettin' busy with Darla. Obviously he could still be obsessed with Buffy like he was with Dru back in the day, but his obsession with Buffy was different than Dru's. Buffy made him feel human, even Angelus loved her on some level which is why he wanted to make her suffer. Darla's presence would have ruined this.


I agree with this.

I do like the way Angelus doesn't mention Darla once in S2 of Buffy. It just goes to show how little he gives a shit. He's not regretful that his souled counterpart killed Darla at all. (Imagine if Spike's souled counterpart killed Dru and he then lost his soul. He'd probably feel a bit guilty, well pre his obsession with Buffy anyway.)

Angelus meanwhile nope, it's not even on his mind. Shows what an uncaring bastard he is. :)
 
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