Episode Discussion 1.02 "The Target" - Aired 2/20/09 (FOX-US)

For the record...the more this show reminds me of Buffy and Angel, the happier I'll be. I can't help it. They are my two very favorite shows followed by Firefly and so, to me, if this show can have that same amazing affect and feel to me, let it be. 🙂

Things I want...more witty banter...that's all for now.
 
Yeah, I kinda of wish it reminded me more of Buffy (or Firefly and Angel). There's Topher, he certainly has an Andrew/Xander/Wash thing to him. But, not all the time. And Echo and Langdon's relationship is a tad bit Buffy/Giles, but not as close since Echo doesn't really know why she trusts him and is that trust even REAL yet? Hard to say.

So far, there aren't any real connections to anyone. Although, I'm kinda hoping for a time when Paul, Echo, Langdon and Alpha take down the dollhouse with a great shot to use for the opening credits.

I did laugh a little when the DeWitt was saying how to "her bosses" the extra fee was small. Maybe it was the WR&H appearance of the place, but it just kinda screamed "Senior Partners" are back.

I also gotta wonder about the FBI guys making fun of Ballard. It was one thing to make fun of Kate, since she kinda went on her own from normal cases to "spooky" ones. But, he doesn't APPEAR to have a choice. Someone put him on the case at some point and whether the other people feel it's a worthwhile thing to chase and whether he believes it exists or not isn't really as important as he's supposed to investigate it.
It doesn't really make a lot of since to make fun of him THAT much for it.
Now maybe the guys in the house had a reason to not want him popping into all their crime scenes screaming, "This is the work of the Dollhouse" but the guys in the office kidding him was over the top.
We either need a whole episode JUST on Paul and what the heck is going on with him or less kidding him. Because it just doesn't make a lot of sense for grown adults to be THAT childish over an assigned case.
 
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I think with thie buffy giles for L. and Echo, it's actually more important to see Langdon's growth. She has gone from an empty hat to someone he trusts with his life because deep down he trusts her innocence/ caroline?
i dont think it feels like buffy/angel at all, and im glad. i mean, i think i was expecting it, and when it wasnt, i was kind of like, well good. I want something new and different, and its good whedon can do so.
 
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Lou
GREAT first Banner!
I liked this episode better than the first one, as it explained a lot more and it gave a great push to the Echo is remembering things. Also, Alpha is an intriguing villain.

I must say that I don't really see Echo as the main character yet. Mostly because she barely is one character. Langton instead serves as the real hero, at least for now.

All in all, I am eagerly awaiting next saturday.
 
I did laugh a little when the DeWitt was saying how to "her bosses" the extra fee was small. Maybe it was the WR&H appearance of the place, but it just kinda screamed "Senior Partners" are back.

I sincerely hope her "employers" don't become this faceless, undefeatable force like the Senior Partners. I really hated that on Angel.

We either need a whole episode JUST on Paul and what the heck is going on with him or less kidding him. Because it just doesn't make a lot of sense for grown adults to be THAT childish over an assigned case.

I didn't really think much of it, it just seemed the same kind of banter as Kate got in Angel. Adults can be pretty childish occasionally. 😉

Also, Alpha is an intriguing villain.

Very intriguing since we don't even really know if he is a villain! He's certainly done some pretty villainous stuff but he could be trying to help Echo in a twisted way. I like to think of him as the big bad though.
 
November
November
*Mature Aussie slaps Lurkie with an old trout*
Very intriguing since we don't even really know if he is a villain! He's certainly done some pretty villainous stuff but he could be trying to help Echo in a twisted way. I like to think of him as the big bad though.
Yea, Alpha seems to be the rouge who became self-away first.

Im guessing, Alpha slowly began to become self aware then 'snapped' while imprinted with nija skills and left. Now, a few months on, alpha still has the ninja skills but is under complete control and wants to help Echo get to the same place.

The connection between Alpha and Echo and why Echo was spared in the destruction Alpha caused...well that's the intriguing bit.
 
*finally set down and watched it...how funny one of the sponsors was computer TV and its revolution....but that is for another thread.*

^^^^ to posts above.....The FBI guy being made fun of I think is a head nod to Mulder and what he went through with skeptics/other field agents on x-files.

The fella is starting to grow on me; kinda as an everyday fellow who lives in an apartment with a nice stalker neighbor who's not a top class/ elite/ mansion dwelling super agent. His illogicalness is sort Xanderesque (what I bitched about in the first thread about him pulling a gun in a bathroom) it makes him real. I think I like that, even if overall he has a very small part of the overall show thus far. He's much like xander but in his cause the Dollhouse (or better said shutting it down) is his Buffy....will he be the heart of this show too, eventually? I'll have to watch!

I definitely got a Buffy/Giles vibe from Echo and L. It has an interesting spin on it though, to make it kinda fresh...and I appreciate this. Buffy had a hard time compartmentalizing who she was, but Giles ended up as a father figure. here we see the father figure in L. represented as a growing I dare say love for Echo, who in some states is child like. Despite her imprint he see what she comes home as, and just as a dad might not like their kids young adult life choices, he does not like the way she behaves with some imprints/roles....I think thats why deep down he's such a control freak about satellite bounced back vital stats/etc! It is a different spin, but the good stepfather/daughter relationship is certainly there and as this episode shows, she's not an empty hat to him anymore just as Buffy was more than the slayer for Giles...eventually 🙂

The more this show progresses the more I am wowed, and I absolutely love a big message wrapped up in an end segment, like the shoulder pat.

If it continues as it has thus far, this is the show I've been looking for since Buffy ended.

I can't wait till next week.

Strengths: keeps you guessing and thinking about plot....I think alpha is out to make echo his mate by stress and drug induced templating. I think his pre-dollhouse self got echo involved with it from the get go and his goal is to make her as him and shut the place down.

A big bad with an agenda that is gray (though activities advancing that agenda are certainly black) The guy is striking me as The Mayor and he hasn't even spoken yet.
I could go on and on and on.....I very much am loving this show. (Its actually much easier to follow...for me anyway..than My Own Worst Enemy..another show I enjoyed. this show also has the added benefit of more variance and mystery to it.)

I love it! I'll stop now and may I add....I hope the next one doesn't suck. The better the early genius and anticipation, the more mediocrity or even minor greatness is seen as failure.
 
Yeah the end was great, and yet there was still a roboticness to it, and i liked that. Like, to prove she isn't fully aware of whats going on in her state, but that somehow, her brain retained this action, even if it couldn't at the time figure out the reasoning behind it. She did it because it was learned, but doesn't have the consciousness yet to remember what it means... and it makes it really interesting.
 
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I would imagine this stuff would be like dope to a pschologist. To the merrick cave, we must consult mr. bear. (and for those in other house that don't know....don't worry. I'll share info.)
Now that you mentioned roboticness all i can see is a dance routine where i guy does the robot and follows it with a "go and brush your shoulder off."

Not a solid gold dance match, but close enough 😉
 
Unlike others, I'm trying NOT to compare this to Buffy/Angel/Firefly. This is an entirely new show. It doesn't HAVE to be like we're used to in order to be good. Also, I really liked the hunter/prey part of the episode. It showed Echo had balls, even when she wasn't imprinted with them.

Oh, and the drug showing her some of her old personas (including her old self) was cool. Unfortunately, all that was erased when she got "treated". But, this stuff is guaranteed to turn up again.
 
Sorry, allready karmed you. ^^^^^I'd actually prefer it be unlike what I'm use to. I just see some familiar elements with a new spin, espescially in this episode.
 
Kean
Kean
I kept getting flashes of Homecoming and The Yoko Factor when I was watching it.
I just got done watching it, and I enjoyed it more than the first episode. I did get a Wrong Turn vibe from it, but Eliza was pretty great. When she spears that guy, it's pretty much gold.
 
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Lou
THANK YOU! I was trying to remember the name of that stupid movie!
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I was getting a slayerfest like vibe from it, when Cordy gets her mean on. It was a distant kinda relation. made me think of a Buffy ep. though. :)
Love it.

I also love how ECHO is beginning to become self-aware. It would have been lesser, I think, if only her personality imprints had flashbacks, etc. I like how Echo herself is beginning to retain some of the missions.
 
Dollhouse ep by ep; THE TARGET

THE TARGET

The good;
Lots of it, exciting story and some great background. This may be the pivotal ep of Dollhouse as it's the first to suggest Echo is really moving beyond her programming and Alpha is set up as this big bad bogeyman.

The bad;
?

Best line;
Boyd (handing Echo a gun)" Know how to use that?"
Echo (handling it confidently) "4 brothers, none democrats"
Very cheeky for trendy lefty Joss

Packing heat;
Echo with a S&W 9mm. Boyd has exchanged his automatic for a .357 revolver perhaps in keeping with his backstory as an ex-cop.

Kinky dinky;
Echo and client play the naughty Girl Scout together.

Notches on the Dollhouse bedpost;
Echo; 2

How'd they get away with that?
Echo being hunted is horrible but nothing compared to Alpha slaughtering everyone in the pool! Amazing how much blood they got away with.

This weeks fantasy;
Echo is a fun loving outdoor girl and a sweet girl who loves fat guys in flashback

Total number personalitites;
2 for Echo making a total of; 8
Sierra; 2
Victor; 1

Total dolls;3
Echo, Sierra and Victor

Addy is a bit British;

Topher is a bit geeky;
He asks for a gun but no one trusts him with one

Subverting the Hollywood cliche
Hello Mellie, proving that women of a fuller figure can be attractive on US tv. Her real first name is Miracle? Were her parents hippies? Speaking of which in the flashback Echo is hired to be the girlfriend for an obese man as you would expect dolls to be but we never see him.

Bondage;

Knocked out

Kills; Boyd's driver and the Ranger killed.
Sierra; 2 kills
Echo kills the psycho; 1

Dolls injured;
Echo and Boyd badly injured

Capt subtext
Topher expresses 'Big, big man love' for Boyd and describes his eyes as 'dreamy'. Boyd is protective of the actives from the start and Topher tells him it's all about trust.

Happy hookers

Know the face?
4th Whedon alumni-Mark Shepherd was Badger in Firefly (and the 2nd BSG star for Jane Espenson to bring with her)

Guantanamo;
Boyd tortures the fake Forest Ranger to save Echo (Jack Bauer/Dick Cheney would be proud)

Fanfic

Missing scenes

Reminds me off;
Joss bascially reuses this storyline from the 3rd season Buffy ep Homecoming, it's derived from the famous short story 'The Most Dangerous Game' which in turn inspired real life serial killer Robert Hansen who hunted and murdered over twenty people after kidnapping them, releasing them into the Alaskan wilderness and giving them a head start. Also reminiscent of ED's horror movie Wrong Turn. Addy uses the term Tabula Rusa which was the name of a 6th season ep of Buffy.

Questions and observations;
Got to admit when Dominic walks away from Echo at the end I thought she just gave him a 'screw you' gesture. It wasn't until I rewatched that I realised she gives him the psycho's 'shoulder to the wheel' action. Is the drug in the canteen the catalyst for Echo's specialness or was there something before? I think if they'd have kept stories at this level Dollhouse would have been much more successful than it was.

8/10 MUCH BETTER
 
This has always been my favourite episode of season 1. Plus it shows that some of the clients can be mental.com
ha

10/10
 
A good ep. But I heard other people(like Tasha) said it's a great ep. Maybe I was confused and I'm not a big fan of switching between flashbacks and present days.

The Boyd and Echo scene in the woods was touching. And yeah, I found Mellie attractive too. 🙂

That guy is really psycho, but I always cringe when they kill people on the show. In BtVS, you hardly see Buffy killing people. I can think of only the Knights of Byzanthium and the German twins in Homecoming.

Lol, you should add the statistic about how many guys Eliza got to kiss on the show too. 😀
 
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LOL at how many guys Eliza got to kiss! I wonder how many..
Washburne
Washburne
It's great that we never saw Faith kill a human. ;) But maybe that doesn''t count since it was an accident.
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