Episode Discussion 1.06 "Man On The Street" - Aired 3/20/09 (FOX-USA)

I will get pissy when your the only one that seems to have a big problem with it. perhaps you need to rethink things 😛
 
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Edmund Blackadder
No, I'm the only one who mentions it - there is an actual difference. What is it that Cordelia says about tact? Well tact on BB is not saying anything at all!
What shows AREN'T about a "hero" over coming a "big bad" exactly?

It seems like it would be impossible to come up with a story that didn't have that. At least at this point, we can't be totally sure who the heros are....or even entirely who the bad guys are.

We can't even say that Echo is a "hero" because we don't really know what she did to end up in this place to begin with.

In fact, at this point, I'd say it's far different from ANY show I've watched. Other than the "house" seems to look a lot like WR&H and the ever looming "senior partners" that run the place. It certainly doesn't remind me of Buffy, and only a teeny bit of Angel and mostly because of the set.

I think it smells like Joss, but certainly isn't a "regurgitated" story. Not unless EVERY story that has a plot is. But, perhaps I watch TV for a story and not for a life changing experience.
 
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Blondie Bear
So it doesn't smell like Joss puke? ;)
Relic disagrees: Wow an unconfirmable observation made in an insulting manner. One trick pony much? I've had enough good conversations here to know I'm not itellectually challenged. Build yourself up off of someone else. It won't work with me.

Unconfirmable observation?
I've already given evidence to back up my claims in this thread when I quoted you a couple of posts ago.

I guarantee if people here weren't so nice (or more peoples bias didn't stop them from saying something that they want to - that they agree with me), for the most part, that I would be getting a ton of rep simply saying 'I agree' because alot of times your posts lack the coherence it takes to take a conversation to the next level.

Heck, we've had conversations where your inability to express yourself clearly has caused absolute misunderstandings which have resulted in you getting pissy.
 
Ok EB and Relic lets nip this in the bud before it begins. You already have been warned about snipping at each other in another thread tonight. Drop it.

You both know the drill...you don't like each other then stay away, stop instigating and goading each other. You don't have to like each other but you have to be civil.

Carry on the discussion folks.

🙂
 
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Edmund Blackadder
Before it begins?!?!?! :p Wuv you
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Relic
One of the few things Ed and I agree on. It's really not worth my time defending myself against warantless claims. and I wuv you too.
Man on the street

The good;
Wow! Mellie is a Doll! Did ANYONE see that coming? Excellent ep with loads of character development, first meeting of Ballard and Caroline (excepting 'Echo') and a heck of a dust up. The subplot with an abused Sierra is horrible but very well written and acted, you just knew that this would be a problem sometime as Herne says (CHEERED when Boyd punched him through the glass, great stunt from Mike Massa). And Echo has paid sex with her first realistic and sympathetic client.

The bad;
Not much, very good ep. You do think that Adele takes a hell of chance with November by not activating her about 30 seconds earlier?

Best line;
"Perhaps I need to give it to you" Adele gives Boyd a bonus, not because he wants it but because she needs to give it to him to salve her conscience.
also like
"PORN!" (all in the delivery)

Packing heat; Echo takes Ballard's gun off him, Dominic pistol-whips Herne
Echo;4
Boyd; 6
Dominic; 5
Sierra; 1

Kinky dinky;
According to Joss when they asked casting for extras to play the Dolls they were inundated with pictures of porn stars. Must have been hell. Why do we all bother to pay for porn? Why don't we just phone up a casting agency and pretend we need attractive background players for our TV show? Echo's personality thinks her fiancee has suddenly become rich through internet porn.

Notches on the Dollhouse bedpost; November beds Ballard (and she's a heck of a screamer) and presumably Echo returns to finish her romantic engagement with her client
Echo; 3
November; 1

How'd they get away with that?
The funny "What a rick!" and the indescribably horrible, Herne abusing Sierra. He's a son of a bitch but November killing Herne makes me wince every time.

This weeks fantasy;
Echo plays the dead fiancee of the Internet mogul and then a hit chick. November plays Mellie and death-in-Laura-Ashley

Total number personalitites; 2 for Echo
Echo; 13
Sierra; 4
Victor; 1
November; 2

Total dolls;4, here's November!
Echo, Sierra, November and Victor

Addy is a bit British;

Topher is a bit geeky;

Subverting the Hollywood cliche;
The client is actually a sympathectic figure and is even concerned about the security guards Ballard knocked out. For once we have a fat client rather than a male model although Mellie actually thinks him kinda cute.

Bondage;
Sierra tied up; 1

Knocked out;

Kills; November kills Herne with her bare hands (never talk flower arranging with HER!)
Sierra; 2 kills
Echo; 1
November;1

Dolls injured;
November badly roughed up by Herne

Capt subtext;
The redneck guy thinks the Dollhouse is a great idea because it allows a guy to be with another guy but means that there's 'Nothing queeny' going on (his wife/girlfriend's expression when he says this makes me laugh out loud every time, just like Echo's 'Porn' line). Dominic punches Herne when he hints that there was something between him and Adele. Jealousy?

Happy hookers
Takana describes Echo as a 'whore with a heart of gold'. Herne makes a good point about Adele hiring out the Dolls to be sweating under 'some Emir' (the difference being they'd signed up for that, they hadn't signed up to be sexually abused whilst in their non-programmed state, Sierra actually saying she doesn't want to). Joss refers to Miracle Laurie as 'Being a pro' but rapidly rethinks his phrasing.
Just idly watching '2 and a Half Men' whilst I'm writing this and Charlie and Alan are being treated to a pair of hookers by their future stepfather in Vegas. It strike me how attitudes to prostitution in TV and movies have changed in recent years, Pretty Woman, Belle Du Jour, Patty the daytime hooker in My Name is Earl, Hung etc. In a recent ep of The Big Bang Theory to cheer Howard up Raj and Leonard hire him a working girl. Times have certainly changed, used to be the only time you ever saw prostitutes on screen was when they were murdered or were informants.

Know the face?
5 Whedon alumni-Mark Shepherd, Amy Acker, walking action figure, Eliza Dushku, Jim Piddock
Whenever I see Herne I can never help but think 'Is that Dennis Quaid?"

Guantanamo;
The Afro-American woman likens the Dollhouse to slavery. Ballard is pretty damn rough with Takana.

Fanfic;

Missing scenes;
According to Joss plenty of spare material left over

Reminds me off;
The Vulcan grip from Star Trek is mentioned. The internet mogul is very reminiscent of David Nabbit from Angel who also frequents ladies of the night (but likes his a bit more demony). According to Joss' commentary Eliza didn't care much for her housewife look but I think she looks great, reminds me of when The Mayor gave Faith that dress in Graduation Day pt1

Questions and observations;
Interestingly according to the reporter the rumours of the Dollhouse have been circulating since the late 80s? Ballard and Mellie actually make a lovely couple, very sweet. For a moment I wondered if Echo's message was some sort of double bluff but to judge by Joss' commentary the message was real. From whom? We learn there are 20 Dollhouses all over the world. What is the greater, X-files style, conspiracy? Echo demonstrates genuine affection for her client, even after she's meant to have been wiped. Adele knows this but still keeps her in the field.
Absolutely love the scene where Echo thinks her fiancee made his money through internet porn, she may be a Doll but she's no brainwashed sex slave, she reacts in exactly the same way the real woman would have done. The interviews on the street are also interesting, not to stereotype but you look at the blonde girl and kinda wonder if she is a Doll?
Again, this almost feels like the 3rd pilot for the show.
Marks out of 10; 9/10 best ep so far
 
Great episode is here, finally. It's the first episode you saw what Dollhouse is really about. 🙂 The idea of interviews on the streets was WOW.

And yeah, I could guess Mellie is a Doll a big while before this episode was aired. Her kung-fu scene was really awesome. I just feel bad that they killed people again. 😱

Joel is a nice guy. Great scenes when he has a talk with Ballard.

Ballard vs Echo is great too. Message from who? You'll find out in next 3 eps. 😉

9/10
 
Ooh i love this ep too, it's sad when Paul finds out she's a doll. ;(
Oh and the fight scene between Ballard and Echo is awesome.
9/10
 
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