Episode Discussion 2.02 "Instinct" - Aired 10/2/09 (FOX-US)

I'm so excited that the Senator (Denisof) is on to the Dollhouse! This should be interesting. And what was that illusion to his mother, something about believing in the Dollhouse because of something that happened to her?

I think he said that it was something with the Rossum coporation, which I think is the company that created the Dollhouse, and that they deliberately didn't cure her or something.

- What's the deal with Madeline? Nice place she's got there. And why isn't she working? Is Adelle paying for her place? Wasn't sure about that whole thing. Do you think Madeline is faking being so happy? It seemed forced when she was talking to Paul.

I'm pretty sure if was the money she received as payment for her time at the Dollhouse. Like it was her job or something.


What do you guys think about Madeline? I get this feeling that she might still be a sleeper active for them, just in case. November-attack mode was pretty interesting. Do you think they'd do that to her or keep their contract and let her go?

Speaking of which, what happened with Echo in this episode? I mean I thought that at least above all else she should trust her watcher, Paul. Even when she still had the baby, she just took one look at him and ran.
 
I thought this was a very good episode, and I liked Eliza's performance in this one than in most of the others. I especially appreciated the discussion of how maternal instinct is so strong and subconscious (and also rooted in female biology) that Topher can't wipe it from Echo's memories. Madeline's appearance in this episode was very intriguing, and Adele's non-committal response to the former's query about Dollhouse supervision leaves the door open for a recurring role. I also liked Madeline's reaction to a crazed Echo, specifically what it said about her dislike of the Dollhouse's imprinting practices. And overall, I'm glad that Echo is more self-aware, since I enjoy her commentaries on her experiences as other personas. Still, "Did I fall asleep?" is becoming a bit annoying, though understandably unavoidable.
 
Eliza is kind of hit or miss. She gets more credit than she deserves sometimes; I mean the way Joss talks about her, you'd think she was (well, pick whoever you think is the best actress of all time. I was going to use Meryl Streep as a cliche but I don't really like her, and I was going to say Liz Taylor but I've never seen her acting). I do like her though.

The story about that father though was pretty sad. I felt really bad for him. Amy Acker--woooooooow. I think I'm a little biased maybe, seeing that I love Amy Acker, but she was great in this episode.
 
I agree with shooks too. I mean yeah, it was okay to learn about Echo's character because she's the main character, but at the sametime I'm interested in the other characters. Like my sister said, it's not called Eliza's dollhouse or Echo's dollhouse, it's called the Dollhouse.
 
One thing I should have mentioned is the great cover for Dollhouse S2 DVDs, as Fred says in Angel there's just something about a beautiful woman cradling a big gun, especially if she's in spiked thigh boots!

INSTINCT

The good;
Very clever concept, that the maternal instinct between a mother and her child is so great that it can overcome virtually anything (anyone else read Stephen King's short story The Breathing Method?) Echo breaking into the house is so sinister she might as well be wearing a Michael Myers mask. Contrast that to the awwww factor of Echo with the baby. Lovely to see Mellie back.
The bad;
Nothing really bad, just not that remarkable.

Best line;
Ballard; (to Topher)"You're a genius"
Topher ; "I'm not as comfortable with you saying that as I thought I'd be"
plus
Echo; (baby in one hand, carving knife in the other) "MOMMY'S HOME!"

Packing heat; no but Echo with a great big carving knife.
Echo;8
Boyd; 8
Dominic; 9
Sierra; 4
Victor; 3
Ballard; 10
November; 1

Echo kissage; 4 her 'husband' Nate

Kinky dinky;
Nursing mother Echo looks noticeably more buxom, the wardrobe department obviously breaking out the wonderbras and padding for this role.
Capt subtext;
Topher repeats to Echo that he is a good man, trying to convince himself. Echo says that feeling nothing would be worse than before, possibly alluding to Mellie and her grief.
Notches on the Dollhouse bedpost; almost certain Echo has sex with her client, naked in bed together and Topher speaks of 'romance protocols'.
Echo; 4 definite, 2 possible
November; 1
Ballard; 1
Victor; 1
Adele; 1
Sierra 1 possible
Topher; 1 possible

How'd they get away with that?
Upsetting to watch Echo so distressed about being seperated from her child, also not good if you don't like needles.

This weeks fantasy;
Grieving widower wants his dead wife back to care for their newborn baby. Cleverer still Sierra is inserted as a supportive best friend for her.
What do we think of the client?
Undoubteldy the most sympathetic yet, a guy devestated by the loss of his wife and unable to accept his own child because of the memories that stirs. In the end almost losing his baby finally makes him appreciate what he has in his son.

Total number personalitites; Echo as the mother and Sierra as her best friend Kelly
Echo; 25
Sierra; 12
Victor; 7
November; 3

Total dolls;
8-Echo, Sierra, November, Victor, Mike, Tango, Alpha, Whiskey

Addy is a bit British;
In response to a crisis Adele sits down and has tea. Keep calm and carry on!

Topher is a bit geeky;
He has developed an 'app' for ventriliquism. What next, barbershop quartets?

Subverting the Hollywood cliche;
The panicked woman fleeing the bad guys actually has the good fortune to walk around the corner and stumble across a police car.

Bondage;
Sierra tied up; 1
Ballard; 1

Knocked out; Topher KO' again
Echo; 2
November; 1
Sierra; 1
Victor; 1
Topher; 2

Kills;
Sierra; 2 kills
Echo; 3
November;1

Dolls injured;
Poor Mellie, not even a Doll anymore and she still gets cracked on the head.

Happy hookers;
Perrin refers to Rossum being involved in prostitution.

Know the face? Kristoffer Pohala seems to make a habit of appearing with Whedon alumni, guest starring in the Angel ep Billy, in Tru Calling with ED, in Mad Men with Vincent Unspellablesurname and in Life Unexpected with Emma Caulfield. Stacey Scowley who plays the senator's wife is also a Buffy Alumni, the girl whom Spike picks up and sires in the bar in Conversations with Dead People.
9 Whedon alumni-Mark Shepherd-2 (Dollhouse/Firefly), Amy Acker-2 (Dollhouse/Angel), walking action figure-2 (Buffy/Dollhouse), Eliza Dushku-3 (Buffy/Angel/Dollhouse), Jim Piddock-2 (Angel/Dollhouse), Gregg Henry-2 (Dollhouse/Firefly), Alan Tudyk-2 (Dollhouse/Firefly), Felicia Day-2(Dollhouse/Buffy), Alexis Denisoff-3 (Buffy, Angel and Dollhouse), Kristoffer Pohala-2 (Dollhouse/Angel), Stacey Scowley-2 (Buffy/Dollhouse)

Guantanamo;
Kinda scary the way panicking mother Echo has no place to go, the police can't help her against Rossum.

Fanfic;

Missing scenes;.


Reminds me off;
Echo can now just walk out of the Dollhouse at will. Much like The Initiative and Wolfram and Hart organisations with impenetrable security never live up to their hype.
Whedon cliches;
Top security installations which aren't secure at all. Loving self-sacrificing mothers who risk all for their children (Joyce, Darla)

Breaking the programming;
. Echo's desire for her baby is strong enough to overcome anything Topher can do to her.

Questions and observations;
This time Topher has not only changed Echo's mind but was able to actually alter her body. Ballard and Topher spar but seem to be developing a workable relationship much as he and Boyd did. For the second time in 2 eps Echo plays a wife rifling her way through her husband's desk. Was Perrin's source at the NSA actually Dominic? We finally find out what happened to Mellie and her daughter. No Victor at all this ep.

Marks out of 10; 6/10-ok, very much a standalone, surprising that Joss bothers with eps like this knowing that he has a short time to play with.
 
Honestly there are parts about this episode that is okay - but the ending? C'mon! The cheesy shot of Echo standing outside in the garden? The crappy horror movie "ooh no the lights went out" effect, and the really really unthreatening knife Echo's wielding. It never seems like she's going to use it and why would she? It would have been far more chilling if she would have just crept in, taken the baby and run away with it again... what was the point of the face-off (except to explain to the viewers why the father of a child why do such a thing)? Beyond ridiculous.
 
Honestly there are parts about this episode that is okay - but the ending? C'mon! The cheesy shot of Echo standing outside in the garden? The crappy horror movie "ooh no the lights went out" effect, and the really really unthreatening knife Echo's wielding. It never seems like she's going to use it and why would she? It would have been far more chilling if she would have just crept in, taken the baby and run away with it again... what was the point of the face-off (except to explain to the viewers why the father of a child why do such a thing)? Beyond ridiculous.

I think it was ok, the metpahor of Echo staring at the playground works for me and there wouldn't have been much drama in her just running off again
 
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