5 years of Angel, 8 days... Thoughts...

mrcpu

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Due to a mildly unusual circumstance, I had some time, and so decided to watch all 5 seasons of Angel as close to back-to-back as I could. With a little help from "time-stretching" in Windvd, each ep ran about 28 minutes...

I post all the thoughts here, rather than thread-spamming over 5 different sections...

Season 1. All about the Doyle. I do not know what happened as to why they had to get rid of him, but I liked him, and always thought the season suffered a little bit with the loss... Wes is a wimp, nothing more to say. For me, the bright spot was always Cordy. As a viable character, she really came into her own.

Season 2. You know, I don' thave much to say. Darla is great as always, and I enjoy Lorne, although when he was introduced, I never could figure out what he was going to do long-term. Guess I was wrong...

Season 3. For me, the weakest... Babies make for bad television. However, the transition of Wes as a mensch as opposed to a mouse made things interesting. The romance between Angel and Cordelia was nice, and frankly, those two kids getting together woulnd' tbe the worst thing.

Season 4. Now *this* is television. Angelus, complex plots, some nice distractions, and while the jasmine sequence wasn't my favorite, I thought som eof the dialog discussing the human condition was great.

Season 5. Getting better and better. I admit, I was not sure how the W&H thing was gonna work, and the first few eps, I will be frank, I was very skeptical. It would be easire to say all the eps were good, and just list the few lame ones, rather than the other way around. (Although I did like the number 5 ep, although tv.com it got rated the worst of the season). I thought the Girl in Question was funny, and a nice reminder that Joss can be light and funny, before what was sure to be a hard-hitting finale. I am really starting to have respect for Wes, even though I don't particularly like him, but at least he's becoming more clearly defined.

I actually thought that David/Angel turned in the weakest of his performances in all 5 years, with a couple notable exceptions. But the recap with Cordy was well done, and his expression at the end during the phone call, I think I might've teared up... Spike was great, but then again, when wasn't he?

ep 21 and 22? On one hand, a surprise, and my biggest fear was that the ending was going to be Angel going over to the dark side, and that would be how Joss left it. Nothing that boy does surprises me anymore... I love Angel's double-cross of Lindsey, I thought getting Lorne to do it was quite a surprise, you can see his (Lorne's) distaste for what he's become and been asked to do. I'm a little surprised he didn't offer Angel and the gang the same exit he was going to take to avoid the alley.

I do not understand sending Wes up against the sorcerer. Possibly he was th eonly choice, but Wes wasn't known for his spellcasting ability. HOwever, the Wes death scene was extraordinary. Illyria changing to Fred, what a nice way to send Wes off, thinking the lie tha the's going to be with Fred forever. ANd her "Would you like me to lie to you now?"... Ah, a tug on the old heartstrings...

With that said, in some ways, I wish Wes could've been carried to the ally by Illyria, and then at least died surrounded by his friends. Illyria still could've done Fred, and then wanted to do her violence thing. Wes just spent a lot of time being separated from his friends, sometimes by his own actions, sometimes due to misunderstanding. And while I didn't expect a happy ending, I was hoping that perhaps all of them would be in the alley together (dead or alive), Angel would quote some pithy Doyle-ism as a tribute to him, say "this one's for you cordy", and then boom, curtain closed.

I think what was striking about this ep, was that while Angel tells Spike they'r enot going to make it (although how would the prophecy work out? Unless he (one of them) regained his humanity, and then died inthe ally...), the group never really says goodbye to each other. Angel doles out assignments, and off they go.

I guess all in all, I'd have to say I enjoyed 5 years of Angel more than 7 years of Buffy (just watched buffy back to back a couple months ago), and the loss of joss to TV is a loss that is not easily replaced. I don't currently have any shows on my plate that I find myself enjoying as much as these, with the exception of firefly/serenity, and of course, we all know what happened there.


What's interesting about this whole thing is that I watched angel and buffy when they wereon TV, but for some reason, did not see the last 3 or 4 eps of Angel (the last ep I watched was the one where Angel was a puppet), and I just couldn't bring myself to watch the end. I think I was afraid of how it was going to end. I desparately did not want to be disappointed with a campy ending. So I denied myself the enjoyment for a coupl eyears... 🙂

I have tried the angel/buffy fiction, and it just doesn't do it for me, and so I think for a while, I will be doubly bummed, as I go for a long stretch now, with no characters that I really care about in any TV show I've tried so far. And that makes me sad...
 
Thanks for the memories. 🙂

If you liked Season 4, have you discovered Wonderfalls yet? Same show-runner. If you like that there's Dead Like Me by the same production team, also the same Wonderfalls show-runner - Tim Minear - has another series coming out this year some time called Drive. It's kind of Lost meets Cannonball Run.

Oh and best of all, Joss is coming out with a canon Season 8 of Buffy in Comic book form.

So see all is not lost. If you want to check the secret places you can even find stuff like Tim Minear's The Inside, or Smile Time penner (Ben Edlund), and Normal Again's (Diego Guiterrez) Global Frequency pilot.
 
I'm surprised by the comments you make. You seem to really enjoy Angel but you picked it apart and told us a lot of what you dont like as opposed to the other way around.
 
Heh, yeah, I guess it might seem that way. In reality, I guess I was picking out the few things that I really had exception with. Didn'tfigure people would want to read 30 pages of "totally awesome", "fabulous", "way cool"... 🙂

However, I will point out some things I thought were exceptionally great...

I think the things that make Whedon stuff so great is that even though characters can be at times "unsavory" and "unsanitary", they are people you can relate to. The struggle of Good vs Evil, Black vs White, those are complex issues, and angel and crew (esp in s5) having to deal with shades of grey whas a great parallel to daily life.

I think that the on the whole, Angel was a much "tighter" show than Buffy (probably because of the lack of involvement of noxon). I also thought the characters matured "better". Meaning that these people were seeing the darkest dark, the most evil evil, hence they were going to get schooled in "the real life" and have to "grow up" much faster, and I thought that as a rule, with "willing suspension of disbelief", the choices characters made to do what they did were choices that I would like to think I would've made.

I had to watch 21 and 22 again today, because I read some commentary on tv.com about some "things to watch for" that I hadn't noticed. And I realized after I watched it that I was just as mentally affected (saddened maybe) by the episode after the second time, almost as much as the first. And that is unusual for me.

I like that life at Angel Inc was not all beer and skittles, and everything did not come up rosy and peaches and cream. I liked how people were pushed past their comfort zone, and placed in complex situations with sometimes seemingly no good choices or ways out.

Specific scenes? Wes's death was great. Doyle's death was great. Faith turning herself in was great. Darla staking herself was a real grabber. Any scene with Cordy not being vain was great, especially any scene with her laying the smack down on Angel. It's too hard to pick out the absolute fave...

Hope that clarified how I felt...

Thanks for the memories. 🙂

If you liked Season 4, have you discovered Wonderfalls yet? Same show-runner. If you like that there's Dead Like Me by the same production team, also the same Wonderfalls show-runner - Tim Minear - has another series coming out this year some time called Drive. It's kind of Lost meets Cannonball Run.

Oh and best of all, Joss is coming out with a canon Season 8 of Buffy in Comic book form.

So see all is not lost. If you want to check the secret places you can even find stuff like Tim Minear's The Inside, or Smile Time penner (Ben Edlund), and Normal Again's (Diego Guiterrez) Global Frequency pilot.

I have not tried wonderfalls, I will check it out. I did watch Dead Like Me, and Mandy Patinkin demonstrates why he is so great. But I couldn't get into the storyline too much. I enjoyed s1, but couldn't get the vibe back for s2, I think partly because not a lot of action. A lot of philosophizing, and such, and some of the ?'s raised were tough questions, ethically, spiritually, morally, etc. But I just couldn't get jazzed.

I will check out some of the others. I think part of the problem is that with Buffy, Angel, and Firefly, the bar is pretty darn high. A show has to have a lot going for it for me to "get into it", because I've seen how good they can be...

Although I still watch "According to Jim", so how deep can I be? 🙂
 
I thought Dead Like Me picked up again towards the end of the Second Season. The final scene had that jaw-dropping Ahhh moment. I know what you mean about the dead spot in the second season though. Actually, Dead Like Me has no connection to the Whedonverse. I just mention it because Wonderfalls is connected by Tim Minear, and Dead Like Me is connected to Wonderfalls.

Wonderfalls doesn't start to really excel until about the 4th episode when the characters become more fully realized. It's only 13 episodes though, so it's worth a shot. Doesn't take a lot of commitment.

If you follow the careers of the Angel writers you can get connected to a lot of worthwhile stuff, I think. After Angel, the writing tandem of Craft and Fain were hired by Angel alumn Shawn Ryan, and they all did what I think is the best season of The Shield (Season 4). I refer to it as the Glen Close season.

David Fury went from Angel to the first season of Lost, then to the last 6 episodes of the Fox-murdered The Inside. Last season he was at what many consider the best season of 24.

Jane Espenson (more Buffy than Angel) is going to be writing for Battlestar Gallactica. Drew Goddard (Buffy Season 7, and Angel Season 5) is going over to Lost as Producer/writer.
 
Your comments make much more sense now. You're probably right, I wouldn't have read your mountain of comments if everything said was, "I loved this, and I loved that, and this was good, and this was great!"
 
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