9 Irritating Things About Buffy You Only Notice While Rewatching the Show

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by Rachel Simon

But here’s the thing about Buffy: for a great series — and oh, was Buffy great — it sure had a lot of flaws. I’m not just talking about the big stuff all fans know about (the awful idea to make a robot-guy a Big Bad, those cringeworthy “the Internet is evil!” rants, nearly every episode of Season 4 except for “Hush”) but the smaller things, too. They may have been easy to miss when you saw the show back in the ’90s, but trust me, if you give it a re-watch, you’ll definitely see what I mean. For instance:

See the list here: Bustle

I don't agree with them all, but interesting read.
 
The Bronze Let Anyone In Over the Age of Five, and the had a bakery!
Nothing Really Changed When Dawn Appeared
only things I really agree with.. if the others irritate you then you've too much time on your hands.
 
Dawn acting younger? Umm,some people need to go back and check what it's like to be a hormonal teenager. I don't know, I think Dawn acts exactly like a 14yo.

The white thing I agree could have been better, and a more diverse cast could have been chosen. But I won't complain too much because everyone that was chosen was perfect for their role. I wouldn't want to have a black, or asian, or whatever else play Xander just for the sake of diversity if Nick Brendon was the best choice. It does such that TV is still not diverse to this day, but with Joss Whedon it wasn't a case of white washing.

The not getting paid thing I think has been already discussed many times on this board!

Nothing changed after Dawn, wasn't that the point?

And for OMWF, Xander has a history of using magic this way. Might not completely fit his character in s6 though.
 
AnthonyCordova
AnthonyCordova
good post!
No One Had Siblings
There were like, 5 Scoobies, at any one time, it's not that much of a stretch to say that none of them had a brother/sister. (I know seven friends, none of whom have siblings) And who the hell finds that irritating.
Not to mention that Tara- who was a Scoobie- had at least one brother and a cousin.
It's far weirder/more irritational than none of them have decent set of parents imo. Xander's, Willow's and Cordelia's are all wildly disfunctional in different ways.
The only person who we see has nice parents is Fred.

Everyone Was White
This was lampshaded on the show from S3 onwards, so at least it was a little self-aware.
Even so I can think of several major characters who were ethnic: Kendra, Mr. Trick, Forrest, Robin Wood, Kennedy, Rhona...then again half of those characters are really irritating, so maybe that should be the real complaint.
Like 'How come most of the ethnic characters were jerks?' might be a more valid criticism.

Riley Stayed On The Show For Far Too Long.
Honestly, I don't see this, it's just bias.
I'm not a big Riley fan but it seems to me that by the time he became part of the Scoobie gang he already had one foot out the door. The first half of S5 just seemed like a big countdown for his leaving. He was Buffy's love interest for basically a season, compared to two and a half for Angel and two for Spike.

Nothing Really Changed When Dawn Appeared.
Some people on these boards would really disagree with this, and accuse those monks of brain-washing (the term used in 'mind rape') Buffy and her friends and pretty much turning them into different people.

The rest I don't really have issue with, and the only one that actually irritates me is Buffy never getting paid, because it really seems like a logic-fail on behalf of the Watcher's council- just from a practical standpoint.
 
Nothing changed after Dawn, wasn't that the point?
But everything would have changed. Buffy would have fundamentally changed as the mentally of a single child is different from that of a child with siblings. But.. it would be difficult to completely alter everything you knew about a TV character and still expected to maintain an audience.
 
But everything would have changed. Buffy would have fundamentally changed as the mentally of a single child is different from that of a child with siblings. But.. it would be difficult to completely alter everything you knew about a TV character and still expected to maintain an audience.

But Buffy's vision did change. Dawn was not the most important thing in her life. Aside from this, the monks built all the memories. They could have certainly built things as to not alter anything. It wasn't like a real life thing, it was magic. And we all know magic is not always logical.
 
But Buffy's vision did change.
History, yes, but personality no. And I think that would have changed had she had a sibling whilst growing up. But again, I understand why it didnt. Just that it should have.
 
Everyone Was White
This was lampshaded on the show from S3 onwards, so at least it was a little self-aware.
Even so I can think of several major characters who were ethnic: Kendra, Mr. Trick, Forrest, Robin Wood, Kennedy, Rhona...then again half of those characters are really irritating, so maybe that should be the real complaint.
Like 'How come most of the ethnic characters were jerks?' might be a more valid criticism.

Also, don't forget Ashanti 😀 And Sweet. And what's her face - April. And Xin Rong. And Inca Mummy Girl. And Kennedy.
 
thetopher
thetopher
I know a couple of the Potentials were enthnic as well, but I never got their names.
bespangeled
bespangeled
And the doctor who took care of Buffy when she was insane. Candidly, I think the show was way less white than some other *cough*Supernatural*cough*
The sibling thing is something that I've pointed out in the past, but honestly, it's not something that's unique to this show. I got into Teen Wolf this year, and out of the eight (main, in the credits) characters, only two of them had/has siblings.

I don't really agree with the rest of this. The Giles thing, maybe they have a point, but it's not like they were flanuting it. They weren't hanging out at the Bronze or the Espresso Pump every night of the week were anyone could see them.

No, just at cemeteries, lol.
 
Skanky Vamp
Skanky Vamp
Is Teen Wolf worth getting into? I just see its on MTV so I never really thought it would be worth investing my time
OK, let's take the objections one by one:

1. Dawn was 14 but she acted way younger.

The backstory for the famous "Get out, get out, get out" scene was that everyone she knew was lying to her and keeping things from her, and not just little things - she was not a real human and she was the target of a god who was pursuing her relentlessly. If I was surrounded by a bunch of liars like that, I would have said the same thing. BTW I recall my high school years and there were girls who were just like her.

2. No one had siblings.

I would have missed this because neither my wife nor I have siblings. But I would have written the story the same way because siblings would be a distraction to the storytelling except where they were part of the story like Tara and her brother, Donny. If they don't participate in the plot, they are superfluous and siblings would tend to turn the storytelling into either "The Waltons" or "Married with Children". There is enough relationship angst in BtVS without them.

3. Everyone was white.

The exceptions have been noted and blacks are about 10% of the US population which is maybe a little more than their representation on the show, but more surprising than the scarcity of blacks is that you have a show set in California with no Hispanics. Really? I guess the author of this comment never watched "Friends".

4. No one questioned why a middle-aged librarian hung out with teenagers for several years.

He works in a school. Schools have clubs led by teachers and no one objects to coaches hanging out with athletes or students taking an interest in the library. Also, parents are dysfunctional and the whole town is oblivious to the goings-on at the hellmouth. Why would a teacher with students who were willing to stay with him draw suspicion?

5. Riley stayed on the show far too long.

The way he was written, I agree. A psych graduate student should have been more like Holden Webster than corny corn-fed Iowa farm boy. Also the idea that he was an elite soldier in his twenties who never completed even a simple mission, disobeyed the chain of command and was still recruited back into special ops is just ludicrous. It's not that he stayed too long, he stayed too wrong.

6. The Bronze let anyone in over the age of five.

They refused Anya a drink because she had no ID even though she was 1100 years old. We never actually see anyone five in there - they were mostly students. But damn, I wish we had something like the Bronze near our school!

7. Buffy never got paid for being a slayer.

Good point, but you could never sell the idea that Joyce didn't know about Buffy being a slayer if there was a cheque in the mail every month. And our military doesn't get princely sums for the hazards they face (until they quit the military and become private contractors getting paid for kills, which Buffy tried to do unsuccessfully in Season 6). And the writers loved the idea of Buffy taking an entry-level food services job because a lot of people, including them, remember doing just that.

8. Nothing really changed when Dawn appeared.

Everything changed. Buffy was willing to sacrifice her life for someone who she knew was not real. She ended up being the guardian for Dawn and sacrificed a lot, even when she returned from the dead.

9. Once more with feeling just doesn't make sense.

The only part that doesn't make sense is that klepto Dawn has Sweet's talisman but Xander takes the rap for invoking him. The rest of the episode moves the story along tremendously: Buffy reveals she was in heaven, not hell, the split between Willow and Tara becomes both visible and viable, the prospect of Giles leaving is raised, Spike sings of his obsession with Buffy, the romance with Spike begins with a kiss from Buffy, Xander and Anya show their misgivings about marriage, the disconnection the scoobies feel with each other and most importantly, THEY GOT THE MUSTARD OUT!
 
Dawn Acted Way Younger
I agree that Dawn acted immature in S5 and that it was slightly annoying (immaturity always is to a mature person), but Dawn grew up a lot throughout seasons 6 & 7. I think they actually made her character grow up a lot in a short period of time in order to suit the shifting situation.

Riley Stayed On The Show For Far Too Long

I think that he was on the show for too long acting as he did. His portrayal was kind of boring, bleak, and tedious. If he had been portrayed better, then his length of stay would have been more acceptable. However, Riley's character was needed to be dependable and bland in order to be a convenience for Buffy; ultimately resulting in his departure.

The Bronze Let Anyone In
The early seasons set the stage of the Bronze as an under-21 type club (never actually stated) that existed as a place for high-schoolers. This doesn't make it a far stretch that the scoobies still attended the Bronze after high school since they were still around the same age. But if you notice, the attendees of the Bronze are typically the same age as the scoobies as the series goes on, or even older (such as the women Spike lures from the Bronze in S7).

Buffy Never Got Paid
I understand why the writers chose not to have Buffy get paid (which was never really addressed until later seasons), but I think it would have been more practical.

Nothing Changed After Dawn
This has never bothered me. In fact, I am quite glad that the character of Dawn didn't change much of the show that I came to know and love. I'm glad that most of the show remained the same after Dawn's appearance. I think this was important for the show to keep its fanbase.
 
I disagree with each one of these overall, but they do have some valid points here and there. I feel those are mostly just biases that I agree with though and not necessarily sound.

The one that I disagree with the most out of this list is Nothing really changed when Dawn appeared.
This isn't a mistake or a flaw in the show; it stays true to who Dawn is. Dawn was sent to Buffy as a teenager, not from childhood. The episode where she finds this out Buffy confirms she's about 6 months old in real life. The monks created Dawn at the age we see her. Everything before that are memories fabricated into everybody's minds and so Dawn would not have altered the past in any literal sense. She was just kind of around for all of it but in reality made no impact up until she was sent to Buffy.
 
The ending to once more with feeling did irritate me a bit, in agreement with this list, otherwise, don't think those other things irritated me. Dawn was irritating, precisely because she did act how a 14 year old girl may have done in that situation. She could have just moulded into line with the other characters so the show could carry on as it was, but that would have been unrealistic.
 
There's a lot of other things that bug me in the series, these are just kind of whatevers to me.

Dawn acting younger didn't bother me too much. She does come off really immature and whiny even before she finds out about being the key. The scene in 'Real Me' when she's smiling or really drooling, over Xander and has chocolate ice cream all over her face, pretty much showed that she was intended to be a ten year old rather than fourteen. Are there bratty 14 yr olds out there? Sure, but it wouldn't fit the way that Dawn would have been raised I don't think.

I didn't actually even notice that no one had siblings. In Tara's case her brother and family didn't live in Sunnydale so that works out. Until I thought about it, I would have assumed Xander had a brother, just by the way his parents treat him, he feels like he would be a middle child. I don't think if he had siblings it would change anything. Just write them, the way they write off the parents. IT makes sense for Willow and Cordelia's characters to be an only child, so I guess it doesn't bother me.

The fact that the main Scoobies are all white doesn't really bother me. In high school my core friends were all white. I was cool with some black and mexican people but we didn't really hang out outside of classes and sports. I think the students in the school should have been more racially diverse. But it doesn't really bother me and a lot of shows are like that. Are we going to complain about shows were the cast is all black and like one white person, or none.

Giles hanging out with teenage students seems a little bit weird. Joyce just thinks he takes his librarian duties seriously and really cares about the students. Should joyce be a little bit more skeptical and ask Buffy more questions about what shes doing with Giles all the times, yes. But I also don't think Joyce knows Buffy is with Giles. I'm sure Buffy could just say that she needs to do research at the library a lot or that her, Xander and Willow are in some sort of club that Mr. Giles runs. It's a bit odd, but I ways always more bothered by the fact that they can just roam the high school at all hours. I guess Sunnydale does not have any security on campus. I know my school got locked up after 5 I think.

Riley staying too long doesn't bother me, I like that hes not a quick boyfriend like Scott Hope or a one nighter like Parker. It's what they do with his character that is terrible and he starts off being terrible and does not get much better.

I think the fact that they call The Bronze a club and sell alcohol is what is confusing. But I think that it is just supposed to be an all ages hangout. And they do mention that its the only club in Sunnydale so it makes sense that all ages would be there. Sometimes we see a bouncer, sometimes we don't. Normally 18 yr old and under get a stamp or bracelet that tells the bartender no to serve them, but they can always check ID if they don't have a bouncer to do that, like we saw with Anya. So that doesn't bother me. Is it weird 22 yr olds are partying with 16 yr olds? Yes. but where else are they going to go? We saw that the frat parties never seem to go well. And we do see some older people in the early seasons at The Bronze so it doesn't bother me the Scoobies still go there.

As far as Buffy getting paid, I think that she should have but I can see that the writers don't want that to be a reason why Buffy is the slayer. Buffy always does the right thing because it's the right thing to do. If she were getting paid it might diminish that to some people. Plus Joyce would be questioning where Buffy is getting all this money from.

I think we had a discussion about Dawn showing up and the monks changing people memories. I say that the monks can't change the past so they have to insert Dawn around everything that happened. The experiences that Buffy has had is what makes her the character that we love, so you can't change that without changing the character. If you change their memories to where they think everything has happened a different way, or didn't happen they you have to start changing the memories of everyone that Buffy saved or the students the were in the graduation battle. The monks just did the simplest thing they could do, and to me it's find.

The thing in OMWF is just a whatever. I don't like that Xander pretends to investigate what happened like he knows nothing. He may have said he didn't know what was going to happen but once it started happening he should have fessed up like he did in 'Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered'.
 
AnthonyCordova
AnthonyCordova
whatevers, exactly
I remember Xander mentioning in OMWF at the end that his reasoning for summoning the demon was because he wanted to know if he an Anya were going to work out; this explains why he waited until things started to get bad (i.e. the demon taking Dawn) to fess up. If he had spoken up earlier then summoning the demon would have been completely pointless.

After remembering this fact, the OMWF thing doesn't bother me at all.
 
Haha, the OMWF thing actually bugs me the most. It makes me mad whenever I re-watch that episode and makes zero sense to me so I completely agree with the author on that one.

The Bronze thing never bugged me, in fact up until we see Anya trying to order a beer I actually thought that the Bronze didn't serve alcohol at all considering that minors were allowed (and could sneak drinks from their older friends in such a case) but in general, nope didn't bug me. As someone else mentioned it just made me wish we had a hang out like that where I was a teen.

I never really felt that Riley stayed too long. Like someone else said maybe he staid too wrong but not too long. Considering that it takes a while for them to start dating and that break ups can be slow and painful I think he was on the show just long enough really. Plenty of things about Riley could have been done differently but to me this one is not one of them.

Dawn acting way younger. Yes, this annoys me greatly. Not just the "get out, get out, get out" scene, temper tantrums aren't for the youngens only 😉 but Dawn in general to me did not seem like a 14 year old. She seemed more like a, 11-12 year old and it would have made more sense to have her at that young, or younger, because she would have been more limited to the care (read protection from outside Glorificus forces) of her mother and sister if she had been a younger child. Basically I think Michelle Trachtenberg was a poor casting choice because she was so grown.
 
Fuffy Baith
Fuffy Baith
The easy solution would have been to write Dawn older not as an 11 year old once they cast MT.
Well the author here is obviously a fan and this is the kind of stuff we discuss on here. So if this stuff annoys them that's fine but I don't agree with most of these and think they might be missing the point with a few of them.

Dawn acting younger
Teenager's all mature at their own pace. My cousin is a late developer and still quite immature at 16. There's nothing really implausible here. The irritation at Dawn being annoying is understandable but she is realistically annoying.

Siblings
What are we looking at here? Three core scoobies plus Cordelia and Oz? Hardly beyond the realms of reason to have no siblings attached to the group. A bit unusual maybe but it hardly stands out to me.

White people
This irritates me a lot. Not the numbers of white people but the fact people complain about it. Why would you watch a show and think to yourself this would be great if the skin colours were more to my taste? Like I'm going to re-watch the Fresh Prince and be like it's OK but there's a lot of black people in it. Or stick a Bruce Lee movie on and go well I used to like it but there's too many Asian people. Also how is it implausible to have a fictional small town in a parallel version of California have a majority white population but it makes complete sense for there to be vampires in it?

Giles & teenagers
Joyce is pretty hopeless and oblivious as a parent. Ditto most of the others. Giles with the kids would be right near the bottom of the list of things she should be concerned with.

Riley
Personal preference here. Fair enough if you think he stayed to long. I wasn't a big fan but I didn't think his presence was a big issue either.

Bronze
It was always depicted as being a all ages sort of places. Probably from 14 or so upwards. They seemed to have fairly tight ID control though.

Slayer money
That's been discussed here a few times at length. There are plenty of theories as to why they didn't pay Buffy and they make good sense. I get annoyed at The Council being an unpleasant bunch but not at the show for making them that way.

Dawn changing the world
She altered memories affecting behaviour going forward. The past remained unchanged it was just peoples perception of it that was different. I find the introduction of Dawn to be probably the biggest problem with the show because it artificially changed Buffy and affected everything about her going forward.

OMWF
I find this jarring as well. I'm looking forward to a re-watch and trying to figure out what was going on with Xander.
 
I don't see the problem with The Bronze so long as they're IDing people, which we saw in "Dopelgangland" they were. There were a few places I went to when I was around 16 that were safe for under 18s, so I never really thought it was that unusual in Buffy.

I'm an only child, so the sibling thing never really bothered me. Plus there are quite a few characters who never really mentioned their families, so it's possible that they may have had siblings and it just wasn't mentioned. If we're just talking about the main Scoobies, I hardly think it's as unrealistic as the author is making out.

The white thing doesn't irritate me... and I like how the writer just shrugs off Kendra and Wood as if they were really insignificant, when one was a slayer and the other was quite a focus of the last season (and the son of another black slayer).
In fact if you look at the slayers before Willow's spell, we have: Sineya from Africa, Nikki who is African-American, Kendra from Jamaica and Xin from China. So prior to Chosen, the white slayers were actually in the minority.
 
Honestly, for as little as we saw of the Scoobies' families, they *could* have siblings that we just don't know about.

I was thinking that too. The families are for the most part conveniently absent and seldom mentioned at all unless absolutely necessary. I wouldn't be surprised if the comics introduced an older sister or something to Xander or Willow.
 
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