a question about Schindler's List
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It was for impact, innocence represented by the little girl surrounded by all the meaningless death which is portrayed in black and white. Also you missed the candle burning that was also in colour during the Friday night prayer.
I missed the candle. Was it a long scene or was I just not paying attention that much? The little girl died, I'm guessing. Because they wheeled a thing full of dead bodies by and there was a red coat in it.
We watched more of the movie today... and i'm just not well after watching it. The scene where they put the people in the showers and you thinkk they're going to get gassed. Like... After seeing that I'm really not feeling well... Not cool... not cool...
We watched more of the movie today... and i'm just not well after watching it. The scene where they put the people in the showers and you thinkk they're going to get gassed. Like... After seeing that I'm really not feeling well... Not cool... not cool...
The candle scene was short so if you watch again you will see it.
As for not feeling well that means your human. It was a dark period of barbarism in the history of man.
I went to the Holocost museum in Israel and it was more then educational it was emotionally draining. Reading the stories, seeing the archived photo's of the ghettos, stories of the experiments done on all ages of people. Experiments on twins, elderly, pregnant women.
But there was two things that really put life into perspective. There is a room with nothing but shelves. About 12 shelves per section each 4 feet wide. There was about 6 or 7 of these sets of shelves and each shelve was full of 3" ring binders with names of people who died in the holocaust.
The second was a room that was circular. In the Jewish society a child is a child until the age of 18. As you walked thru you saw a star on the ceiling and over the pa system names were being read for each star. After walking the circular room and we reached the middle their was a single candle burning and all the stars were from that candle. The flame was reflected by mirrors. As you exited the building there was a huge carving of a man with his arms around a large group of children. He was a non-Jewish scientist who took it upon himself to take care of these orphoned children. When the children were being sent to the gas chamber the German officer told him he did not have to go but he said he had to go to keep his children calm.
As for not feeling well that means your human. It was a dark period of barbarism in the history of man.
I went to the Holocost museum in Israel and it was more then educational it was emotionally draining. Reading the stories, seeing the archived photo's of the ghettos, stories of the experiments done on all ages of people. Experiments on twins, elderly, pregnant women.
But there was two things that really put life into perspective. There is a room with nothing but shelves. About 12 shelves per section each 4 feet wide. There was about 6 or 7 of these sets of shelves and each shelve was full of 3" ring binders with names of people who died in the holocaust.
The second was a room that was circular. In the Jewish society a child is a child until the age of 18. As you walked thru you saw a star on the ceiling and over the pa system names were being read for each star. After walking the circular room and we reached the middle their was a single candle burning and all the stars were from that candle. The flame was reflected by mirrors. As you exited the building there was a huge carving of a man with his arms around a large group of children. He was a non-Jewish scientist who took it upon himself to take care of these orphoned children. When the children were being sent to the gas chamber the German officer told him he did not have to go but he said he had to go to keep his children calm.
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This is a pet peeve of mine, so I have to say something, but I strongly disagree with the "that means your human" statement.
Ever since the holocaust, there's been a great demonization & dehumanization in our perspective of nazis, and its not like I'm going to defend their actions or points of view, but the more we continue seeing them as "a period of barbarism" or "an inhuman time", the more we will forget that their rise wasn't because one or two evil men did evil things, but because millions of essentially -good- people (at least in their own perspective) took measures to get out of a crisis.
I think it's better to remember that in, all likeliness, in a different life and different time, we would've done the same.
To try to demonize it makes it easier to ignore, and then easier for it to happen again.
You're right, Lorne. It wasn't just the Nazi's. The citizens of Germany all knew what was happening, as crematoriams were usually right outside cities. That's why after the camps were liberated the people of Germany were FORCED to walk through the camps to see what they "ignored" or even helped. I remember reading something that psychologists analyzed some of the nazis. One was a doctor, one had children, one was a priest, etc etc etc. And then all at once they just decided to help Hitler. It's pretty strange.
Only thing I don't get about your post is the "took measures to get out of a crisis." What crisis were they trying to get out of? The Jews were the ones who had to worry. Unless you're talking about the depression Germany was in after WWI?
Only thing I don't get about your post is the "took measures to get out of a crisis." What crisis were they trying to get out of? The Jews were the ones who had to worry. Unless you're talking about the depression Germany was in after WWI?
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Yeah, I'm talking about the depression of the Weimar Republic.
The entire middle class pretty much ceased to exist, which naturally caused problems for the rest of the germans and for the many middleclassers made things like "education" a foregone conclusion.
In one class about this, one teacher explained it in a way that's the best to understand. It was something like this:
"How did you get to the school? In your car. But imagine the day when suddenly you're family has to sell it for food and you have to come here by public transportation- except you can't come here anymore because its to expensive for you, and not only that, but since it is a private school and it will be too expensive for pretty much everyone else, it will probably close along with many others like it. What do you do? Probably work, but naturally few people can hire you because most businesses that would hire you, with no education, are also closing. Perhaps, you would try to go to a public school and finish your major. Of course, everyone else is going to try that, so it will be long long lines of people trying to apply and only 1 in thousands will get in.
Now imagine yourself there, in that line, and one man in a great uniform comes to you and gives you a pamphlet: "Let's return Germany to its former glory". He's from the Nazi Party.
Could you tell me you wouldn't be interested?"
The entire middle class pretty much ceased to exist, which naturally caused problems for the rest of the germans and for the many middleclassers made things like "education" a foregone conclusion.
In one class about this, one teacher explained it in a way that's the best to understand. It was something like this:
"How did you get to the school? In your car. But imagine the day when suddenly you're family has to sell it for food and you have to come here by public transportation- except you can't come here anymore because its to expensive for you, and not only that, but since it is a private school and it will be too expensive for pretty much everyone else, it will probably close along with many others like it. What do you do? Probably work, but naturally few people can hire you because most businesses that would hire you, with no education, are also closing. Perhaps, you would try to go to a public school and finish your major. Of course, everyone else is going to try that, so it will be long long lines of people trying to apply and only 1 in thousands will get in.
Now imagine yourself there, in that line, and one man in a great uniform comes to you and gives you a pamphlet: "Let's return Germany to its former glory". He's from the Nazi Party.
Could you tell me you wouldn't be interested?"
Yeah, I can understand why people would be interested. The Nazi part was really smart. They used a lot of propoganda and stuff to influence their people. Was the Holocaust really that great for Germany tho? Don't we make them pay for like... everything? Or was that WWI? My teacher said something like 60,000,000 people died during WWII. Wouldn't a HUGE part of that be the Germans/people in Germany?
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i remember this movie, i loved it.. alot. and your question has defff been answered.. it was definetly a big metaphorical meaning of innocence.
=[ makes me sad thinking about it.
=[ makes me sad thinking about it.
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Was the Holocaust really the best thing for Germans is a misguided questions.
WW1 left them in complete crisis and the Nazi party was not only a smart party which used propaganda, it was the only possible way Germany had if they wanted to be a power again.
Now, the Holocaust wasn't "the plan". The plan was to expand Germany according to their Lebensraum(sp?) idea of the German land, and they also needed to have an military complex to fuel the economy, kinda like the US needs new wars now because their military complex is too big and too many jobs depend directly or indirectly on it.
The jews were used as a viable scapegoat because it was needed to unite the German people against something in order to take the necessary measures, which would limit certain freedoms. After centuries of anti-semitism in Germany, it was viable. The way they were pointed out first with the armbands and then in the ghettos dehumanized them enough so that the average German could stop seeing them as one-of-them.
Now, during the nazi rise to power and the first years of the war, German economy definitely improved. Enough for them to accept everything that was going on and for people like Hitler to go (more) megalomaniacal and start making mistakes at the war.
The holocaust really wasn't the supernazievil plan. It's actually worst, it was the most "cost-effective" decision possible. They tried to see other possibilites including shipping them all off to Israel, though by that time it was still a Brittish Colony), but those proved to be to expensive in comparison with genocide. A simple, yet horrible, cost-cutting choice.
Besides, many of those jews had, oh the cliche, good amounts of money, which was impounded by the Reich and when those jews were no more, there was a first boom to the economy.
WW1 left them in complete crisis and the Nazi party was not only a smart party which used propaganda, it was the only possible way Germany had if they wanted to be a power again.
Now, the Holocaust wasn't "the plan". The plan was to expand Germany according to their Lebensraum(sp?) idea of the German land, and they also needed to have an military complex to fuel the economy, kinda like the US needs new wars now because their military complex is too big and too many jobs depend directly or indirectly on it.
The jews were used as a viable scapegoat because it was needed to unite the German people against something in order to take the necessary measures, which would limit certain freedoms. After centuries of anti-semitism in Germany, it was viable. The way they were pointed out first with the armbands and then in the ghettos dehumanized them enough so that the average German could stop seeing them as one-of-them.
Now, during the nazi rise to power and the first years of the war, German economy definitely improved. Enough for them to accept everything that was going on and for people like Hitler to go (more) megalomaniacal and start making mistakes at the war.
The holocaust really wasn't the supernazievil plan. It's actually worst, it was the most "cost-effective" decision possible. They tried to see other possibilites including shipping them all off to Israel, though by that time it was still a Brittish Colony), but those proved to be to expensive in comparison with genocide. A simple, yet horrible, cost-cutting choice.
Besides, many of those jews had, oh the cliche, good amounts of money, which was impounded by the Reich and when those jews were no more, there was a first boom to the economy.
So were all the medical experiments on twins, elderly, how long it takes a man to bleed to death who looses an arm or leg, experimenting on pregnant women, seeing the effects of g-force on the human body, the women who were used to give birth to the perfect German and doing live autopsies on people part of these "cost effective" decisions?
How about using their bones for corsets, hair for hairbrushes and toothbrushes, ashes of the cremated bodies for soap, rendered body fat for lamp oil, removing gold teeth from the dead was this just a way to build that economy base you refer to?
Or the theft of their jewels, silverware, family heirlooms, business, money, fraudulent war insurance policies was just a way to create a work force that was so poor because they never had to pay them but they housed them like animals in a small barn and fed them next to nothing a way to expand the German empire?
Oh and in case you were wondering when it was decided to kill all these people it was called The Final Solution.
They wanted to take over the world, didn't they? I know they did a great deal of concurring in Europe during WWII. Uh... I don't understand your last post. lol. Sorry, but it may be to smart for me to understand right now. lol
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I usually avoid these threads, but this seems to be all about post your half-baked theories of what led to the Nazi agenda punking Germany into perpetrating the atrocities of WWII. So, oh well...here's mine.
Yes, World War One left Germany in a bad way. Times were tough, and the German people wanted a way out.
About this time a pseudo-scientific movement was becoming popular throughout the world called Eugenics. Scientists, writers, nobel prize winners, movers and shakers of the world were all jumping on board. There was no real scientific proof for it, but the world's power structure had the world's masses convinced there was. It was kind of like the global warming movement of today in that respect.
What Eugenics said was the world was breeding itself into inferiority by allowing inferior people to propagate, while the gene pool of the more desired was being stifled. This, it said, was causing all the world's problems, leading cultures, and civilization to destruction.
Into this environment came Hitler and his Nazi party. He convinced the German people all Germany's problems were being caused by the dilution, and perversion of the Aryan race. He had a solution. He laid it out before he was ever elected in his book Mein Kampf. The solution was what he wound up actually attempting. The mass extinction of any race, or people he deemed inferior.
The rest, as they say, is history.
Yes, World War One left Germany in a bad way. Times were tough, and the German people wanted a way out.
About this time a pseudo-scientific movement was becoming popular throughout the world called Eugenics. Scientists, writers, nobel prize winners, movers and shakers of the world were all jumping on board. There was no real scientific proof for it, but the world's power structure had the world's masses convinced there was. It was kind of like the global warming movement of today in that respect.
What Eugenics said was the world was breeding itself into inferiority by allowing inferior people to propagate, while the gene pool of the more desired was being stifled. This, it said, was causing all the world's problems, leading cultures, and civilization to destruction.
Into this environment came Hitler and his Nazi party. He convinced the German people all Germany's problems were being caused by the dilution, and perversion of the Aryan race. He had a solution. He laid it out before he was ever elected in his book Mein Kampf. The solution was what he wound up actually attempting. The mass extinction of any race, or people he deemed inferior.
The rest, as they say, is history.
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Well said! And I love the way you managed to get global warming in there.....clever!
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Oh well, I'll let this rest.
However those are not my "half-baked theories".
I had to study half a semester worth of perspectives into the rise of nazism and its impact to be able to study & properly understand the main texts of the Frankfurt School of Critical Thought and half of that had to do with understanding german mindset, the most possible accurate versions of the events and the like. But like I said, "oh well".
However those are not my "half-baked theories".
I had to study half a semester worth of perspectives into the rise of nazism and its impact to be able to study & properly understand the main texts of the Frankfurt School of Critical Thought and half of that had to do with understanding german mindset, the most possible accurate versions of the events and the like. But like I said, "oh well".
OK, I have no idea what just happened... lol Did people start getting mad at our conversation?
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Are you talking about that chart? It was like white people at the top, and Irish towards the top. Then Hispanic, Jewish, and others way at the bottom? I don't know if what I just said is 100% accurate, but you get the idea. lol My teacher mentioned somewhere along her lesson that they had a chart ranking the different "gene pools."
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Are you talking about that chart? It was like white people at the top, and Irish towards the top. Then Hispanic, Jewish, and others way at the bottom? I don't know if what I just said is 100% accurate, but you get the idea. lol My teacher mentioned somewhere along her lesson that they had a chart ranking the different "gene pools."
No I did not get mad.
Lorne was trying to pass on what he has learned from school and I was speaking of my experiences of going to the holocaust museum in Israel. I spent 20 years in the military and I have sat thru many lectures required for overseas deployments. Plus I have researched and studied history on most countries that think eradicating a race is the answer to their problems like Rawanda, Uganda, Viet Nam, Iraq etc.
I have never been able to wrap my head around the reasoning and theory of these events when as a military man I saw, smelt and helped clean up some of these attrocities.
My intent was to show the other side and if I came across as mad that was not my intent. When you see it upclose it never comes close to watching a movie or reading about it all your senses are overloaded and you tend not to forget it.
If I offended you Lorne or anyone else participating in this thread I apologize.
Lorne was trying to pass on what he has learned from school and I was speaking of my experiences of going to the holocaust museum in Israel. I spent 20 years in the military and I have sat thru many lectures required for overseas deployments. Plus I have researched and studied history on most countries that think eradicating a race is the answer to their problems like Rawanda, Uganda, Viet Nam, Iraq etc.
I have never been able to wrap my head around the reasoning and theory of these events when as a military man I saw, smelt and helped clean up some of these attrocities.
My intent was to show the other side and if I came across as mad that was not my intent. When you see it upclose it never comes close to watching a movie or reading about it all your senses are overloaded and you tend not to forget it.
If I offended you Lorne or anyone else participating in this thread I apologize.
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