A souled vampire how does that work

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I have been thinking a rare occurrence , But how would you soul a vampire?
When a vampire sires someone, they bleed them to the point of death then they make them drink their blood , the person dies, then it takes several days for them to transform into a vampire
They look like they are human they look like the person that died but they are not they are a demon
The human body does not any longer exist , it is no longer rotting and dusts when killed, so not human, the soul left at death, the demon takes over the body transforms the body to his thats a true demon , then how would you get a human soul into a demon's body.......... the human body no longer exists
 
Yes, I’m going hybrid too. The human body still exists. They don’t turn into ”true” demons (which in this verse appear more as e.g. giant snake demons like the Mayor).

They are demons setting up shop in a human body. The demonic essence is pressumably what keeps the body going after death.

The human body’s continued existence is seen whenever any of the show vampires consume foods or drinks, have sex or bleed (i.e. the body performing regular bodily functions, as if it was alive). So the human body exist, it’s just powered by something else (vampiric essence or whatever you want to call it)

So the soul is not incompatible with vampires maybe precisely because they’re not true demons, but hybrids, a demon existing in a human body.
 
A vampire is a dead body reanimated by a demon. The demon keeps the body in a sort of stasis that prevents deterioration or aging, and enhances its strength, senses, and healing powers. So, in fact, the vampire's body is totally human, just "upgraded" through supernatural means.

As for the soul, the Christian belief is that, at death, it goes on to whatever reward or punishment the person has earned in life, unless you believe in a midpoint destination, a purgatory, where the soul waits for final judgement. Ensouling a vampire would then involve pulling the human host's soul back out of wherever it currently resided (though neither Angel nor Spike ever made any reference to being pulled back out of heaven, the way that Buffy did) or giving the actual demon, not the host human, a soul of its own.
 
I have been thinking a rare occurrence , But how would you soul a vampire?

With a gypsy curse of course!

I think @Dora's theory makes sense about how the human body turns into a vampire body rather than the vampire just setting up shop in the human body. The Master and Kakistos looked decidedly less human than other younger vampires and it's been said that this is because of their age. If vampires were inhabiting human bodies, why would human bodies change like that? Kakistos had cloven hooves.

It makes more sense that a vampire's body starts to lose it's human guise as a vampire ages rather than a human body slowly transforming into something else. It would also explain how vampires change between their "game faces" and their human ones.
 
Angel makes a telling comment to Lilah that if you wear your game face long enough, it stops being something you can take on and off. That's both literal and metaphorical.

Something we see from vampires who are still trying to prove their demonic cred. is that the minion types rarely seem to take off their game faces. The more self-assured or vain ones like to remain in their human guises. And we do know that many of these vampires retain even human standards of beauty, given the Master's jealousy of Darla's preference of Angelus' appearance over his. Despite the Master's claims to have grown past the curse of human features, he undoubtedly harbors some very human emotions still.

It's also possible that some of the older vampires like Darla and Angelus might also take this eventually aging process as a warning not to wear the game face so long that it becomes permanent, which also limits vampires from blending in to hunt and removes them from a more decadent lifestyle (as Darla and Angelus both indulge in). Angelus was very critical of how the Master is now forced to live in sewers and underground places because he can't venture openly into the world.
 
I thought that vampires were hybrids, part human and part demon ? That would explain it I think.

I don't think there is anything human in a vampire, the body is dead and the soul has left , no I think the demon changes the human body to a demons .....it doesn't rot , there is no heartbeat or internal organs working and turns to dust when killed
 
We've seen Angel's internal organs (when Gwen shocks him to life briefly). His heart (and lungs!) is as much a dried-up walnut as always stated. In the same shot, his lungs can also be seen shriveled up, which means he wasn't lying when he said he couldn't give CPR, despite vampires being able to talk, etc... It's metaphysics through magical reanimation, not science. The human body is transformed into a parasitic demon host. There are a lot of human organs going unused by the demon that just shrivel up. Even blood flow appears to be mystical, as it bypasses the heart entirely and has no need for oxygenation. Blood is used both for metaphysical animation and as a direct food source. Vampires will often pretend to take on physical functions and human characteristics in order to better fit in, but this is purely a survival tactic to deceive during the hunt, rather than a true necessity.

There's actually a deleted scene from Eternity with Rebecca asking questions about how vampirism works and Angel is actually the one who gives the "metaphysics" explanation.

The demon appears to be a blank slate with no personality, memories or feelings of its own beyond its own survival needs, which is why there's so much variation between vampires. The soulless vampire always reveals itself to be ruled by its survival instincts and is only capable of adaption (such as in the case of a chip) as a survival mechanism, but that doesn't mean the human is somehow still present. A low I.Q. human will never be anything but low I.Q. as a vampire with little for it to work with, whereas a high I.Q. individual or one with particularly exploitable personality traits is going to make a much different sort of vampire. However, there is nothing of the human being left once it has died and the parasite has entered through the bloodstream, essentially being ready to be birthed as a brand new individual by the next night with a blood link to the rest of its line. The original pure blood demon essentially bred itself through parasitic reproduction.

The human soul is in fact the full human animus, not just a conscience. The Master even refers to vampire/demon souls using this definition of it as an animus. The demon is its own individual. If a vampire is ensouled, there are two beings sharing the body; one re-inhabiting its former corpse, but needing the demon and feed it to keep from turning to dust. There was a comic that basically considered this scenario of what would happen if the demon were to be expelled from an ensouled vampire. The most likely answer would be that, rather than turn an ensouled vampire human, it would more likely turn the body to dust if the demon were no longer keeping that body alive. The human within their old body is no longer the owner of their former body's physiology and needs, even if the human becomes dominant over the demon in regards to control.
 
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I assume the Vampire Blood Reanimates the human corpse and possesses it after the soul leaves the body for the afterlife, stealing life blood to keep it healthy. The Vampire is little more than a beast, it does not have the volition to overpower the Soul's, like one of those fungi that consume ants. As for were did the soul come from? The Spell book regarding the Ritual of Restoration claims the soul was in the Ether, which I think means the spheres of the heavens in pre-modern thought. Given what was said, Angel's soul is likely the Ghost of Liam, drawn by some invisible tether the Gypsies were able to manipulate, and bound to it by a Gypsy curse. How Spike's ensoulment works, the Demon referred to it as his soul, but who knows?
 
I always wanted to see an episode where a vampire faces the ghost of the vampire body's former owner. It could make an interesting plot twist if say Angel Investigations was hired to bust a ghost only to find out the ghost is trying to stop the vampire version of himself from killing off his family one by one (which the vampire is getting sick of, or maybe the family warned by the ghost--in an unclear manner--was the one to hire AI), especially as the ghost seems physical all of sudden suggesting a hoax, only to realize the physical body is a vampire with the ghost a distinct individual from it.

If ghosts can be outraged that people live in their homes or lands, then why not those that make use of their dead bodies?
 
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