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I'm curious to know for each season of Buffy and/or Angel the one thing you would remove in the season and what you would replace it with and why.
I will write mine a little later as I'm currently busy but would love to hear everyone's ideas.
 
Angel season 4, episode 13 "Salvage"
Remove: Cordelia saying "Give momma some sugar" and consequently smooching The Beast (shudders just thinking about it)
Replace with: Nothing!
Why: Just cut the abomination out and lets pretend that never happened. We got that she was 'evil' /possessed by evil without this horror. (Both line and action.)

Buffy I'll have to think about some more 🙂
 
I would remove the potentials in season 7 of Buffy.
I wouldn't remove them completely, but let them come in episode 16 or something. So that the episodes before that completely focussed on the scoobies.
I would also give Spike way les screen time in the final season. It annoys me how Buffy neglects her friends and gives Spike all of her cookie dough. They have some beautiful scenes together but enough is enough.

I would remove Kate in Angel, because she is one of my least favourite whedonverse characters ever!
 
Buffy:
S1- Remove the Annoited One and replace him with some sort of life-like prop maybe? Probably more effective in building tension. Plus take out 'I, Robot, You Jane (or perhaps one of the Xander-centric' episodes) and give The Master more screentime to illustrate that he's a threat- he's the 1st Big Bad after all.

S2- Remove 'When She Was Bad' and put in a two-parter to better illustrate traumatised, bitch-y Buffy (This is her first death). The Season really falls flat at the start because of this, then we have about three below average episodes ('Some Assembly Required', 'Inca Mummy Girl' and 'Reptile Boy') all packed close together. Basically only 'School Hard' saves the start of the season.

S3- Tough one, crammed with good stuff...remove the Xander/Willow romance (it was fake angst/tension) and break up Xander/Cordelia some other way, maybe without making Xander such a tool. Replace with more Faith! Seriouly, there is no explanation why she's absent from a few episodes. More Faith would've been awesome and made the episodes better just by her presence.

S4- Remove The Inittiative. Seriously it didn't really work. If you want a 'secret college organisation' try something more beievable like 'The Skulls', or one of those other secret societies on campus. You can still keep Riley as 'typical college boy with secret life' and the whole Buffy struggling against authority thing, just without the cheesy, jarring faux-miliary stuff. (There's a reason why every episode after s4 that had the Initiative in SUCKED.)
Actually replace Riley with Graham! 😀 He'd probably get a lot more fans.
Replace the Initiative build-up with more stuff for Xander and Giles to do, while keeping the gereral feeling that the Scoobies are all drifting apart/doing their own thing. You don't have to make the two main male characters into season long jokes to do it.

S5- Remove Ben. Just the actor, not the plot twist. Add in more Buffy flouncing about with her shampoo hair and shiny pants...😀

S6- *Sigh* One thing, huh? Okay, remove all the character inconsistancy that drives me crazy. Decide how depressed Buffy is/how evil Spike is/how addicted Willow is/how bratty Dawn is/how oblivious Xander is/how unnessesary to the plot Anya is from episode to episode. Chart and write some sort of progression for all of them that seems in any way consistant, how they struggle with their own 'butt-head-ishness' and put that in instead. It won't fix the season, but it might make up for the complete lack of plot. 🙁

S7- Remove Wood as fake bad guy/pointless character. Put in Calab as the Principal: fake bad guy-who turns out to be good guy- who actually turns out to be ultimate bad guy for the First! Tone down Caleb's hammy performance early on (Nathan Fillion can play layerered characters y'know) and ramp it up later after the big reveal (say the last third of the season) maybe make him the main bad guy who everybody knows is working for the First.

There, I think I just improved all the Seasons. 😎
 
Ethan Reigns
Ethan Reigns
Correct on all points. When do you sign on as the new screenwriter?
In Season 6, I would have removed all reference to Riley, Sam, and the Suvolte in "As You Were," and everything that resulted from their meddling for the rest of the Season. Instead, I would have had Buffy told Spike the truth about why she "couldn't" love someone who her friends saw as simply a soulless monster. That, alone, would have been ample reason for Spike to leave Sunnydale in search of a way to regain his soul.

In Season 7, the fact that Spike had regained his soul would not have been revealed until much later, and Caleb would have been the Season Big Bad, leading an army of ubervamps, with Robin Wood, obsessed with revenge for his mother's death, secretly in alliance with him. There would have been no presence whatsoever of the First Evil, the Bringers, the Potentials, Andrew, or Angel, and the Amulet.

(The final scene in "Chosen" would have been the Scoobies and Faith cheering while Buffy kisses Spike and says, "I love you," and he replies, "It's about damn time you figured out what everyone here, plus 98% of the viewers have known singe the beginning of the Season. Oh, and, by the way, I've had a soul ever since the Season 6 finale."
 
Buffy
The last two seasons 😛

Angel
Jasdelia-Connor thing
The Girl In Question
...besides, I wanted an increased presence of Connor and Lindsey in the fifth season and I would definitely eliminate a certain character (..and I'm not talking about Harmony)
 
I would add more slayer mythology in season 5 of Buffy. She wanted to know more about her slayer heritage, but all we've got is death is your gift.

Seriously?! They should have gave us more flashbacks from previous slayers and information about how they became slayers in the first place. A simplified version of "Get It Done" should have happened in season 5 instead of season 7
 
Taake
Taake
I like that idea
sk
sk
Good one! I would've love to see this.
S1 -
Remove - 'I Robot, You Jane'
Add - More information about the other Slayers, the one who came before Buffy, why Buffy maneuvered to Sunnydale

S2 -
Remove - The first few episodes
Add - More information about Dru's background and her connection to Angel, more information about her powers and why she was so weak at the beginning

S3 -
Remove - Xander/Willow
Add - More Faith, we needed to see her struggle more, find out more about her past and her inability to accept that people care about her

S4 -
Remove - Verruca and Anya
Add - More Xander

S5 -
Remove - Spike. Seriously, he should have been dusted after 'Crush'
Add - More time spent on Buffy's retraining and her relationship with Dawn and where exactly Dawn came from

S6 -
Remove - Spuffy
Add - Buffy actually talking about her problems and how she feels instead of bottling it up and self harming

S7 -
Remove - Spike
Add - More time spent on the Potentials and just what exactly makes them different. I think that's where a lot of the problems with the Potentials come from, they're red shirts, yet we're supposed to care for them. More time spent with the Core Four and reforming their bond and friendship.
 
Can't do it for each season, but for season 6 I would want to remove some depression from at least some characters and add some happiness instead.
It just gets a bit too dark when every single character seems to be at a bad place.

/SK
 
S1
Remove-Hank Summers, only because the guy we see in s1 doesn't match the guy we hear about in later season. Keep him in Nightmares but perhaps make Buffy's nightmare be true about Hank, and her having to deal with that. It'll somewhat modify the gap between s1-2 also.
Add-the Master flashbacks, and more backstory on Darla too. I get that Joss made their backstory only after the season aired, but in retrospect they became such a huge part of the show, it would have been cool to have a bit more hints at that in the first season. Not necessarily about the Fanged Four but about the role of the Master in all of that.

S2
Remove-the Scoobies and Buffy not being supportive of each other in the first few eps
Add-More Giles/Jenny

S3
Remove-Xander/Willow
Add-More Faith

s4
Remove-Riley. Give his role to Graham
Add-Maggie Walsh is the big bad

s5
Remove-Riley... lol is that cheating? This season is perfect as it is, aside from Riley
Add-Can't think of much, this season is epic. Maybe more Tara. There's never too much Tara.

s6
Remove-Giles leaving. God please, remove Giles leaving.
Add-More Giles! Guess it goes with my remove. But actually give Giles a proper storyline, something important you know. He's such an underrated character, and there's a whole side of him they could have explored. Bring back Ripper.

s7
Remove-Andrew. Now I'm fine with giving Spike and the Potentials screen time. But I'll never get over Andrew getting a bigger storyline than Xander
Add-More slayer mythology. This should have been the perfect season for that. More big bad representation, more dead people showing up, more background story. More everything basically.
 
Buffy:

S7- Reduce the number of potentials so that we can get to know them beyond very superficial levels or give up on the idea and remove them completely. I wish I could change even more than that tbh, but you said just one thing so I'll leave it at that. To make a long story short, I want more scoobies time and I want a tighter, slimmer, streamlined cast of characters. I would almost complete redo the whole season though.

S6-I am totally in support of a dark and depressing season (and if it had been done masterfully it would have been my favorite season), but I would rethink the nature of their various dark paths and thoughts and feelings. Have them come at it from more interesting and profound places. My problem with a lot of the characters direction and dark places and feelings was that it all seemed too mundane, pedestrian, cliche, uninteresting. I have had many dark periods, and thinking back my version was way more interesting than the Buffy S6 characters if I may say so. It almost gave me the impression that the writers had no real truly dark experiences of their own to draw from...or their versions were also mundane, pedestrian, cliche, etc. It could have been so much more than it was. I love dark stuff and dark places, especially as a one season break (a one season moment of serious introspection) for the show.

S5- I like the idea of the knights of byzantium, but I thought it was poorly implemented. I would rethink this and come at it from a different angle. Flesh them out more, develop them more, maybe introduce them just a little bit earlier somehow and make their existence in the Buffyverse a little more realistic. But I loved the idea of them, so I would keep them, but adjust things and make the idea better. Other than that, Season 5 is perfect to me.

S4- I struggled with the criticisms of the initiative plot line on the boards for a long time. I wanted to like season 4 badly, and I still do like it, but I have to concede that the initiative arc was not so good. Throw it out and start with something else. But by doing that I would keep Restless EXACTLY the same at the end, and I would like the core scoobies to invoke the primal power of the slayer line in that spell again to make Restless as an episode possible, which means that the big bad has to be dangerous enough to warrant such a power move.

S3-Develop the whole "fallen Faith arc" thing. I'm in the minority here, but I wasn't completely satisfied or convinced by it. I know what the writers were intending but I think they fell a little short in the execution. I demand a little more development of this idea. Other than that, S3 is the other season I'm very happy with as is.

S2-Improve the monster of the week episodes. I'm warming up to some of them (some aren't as bad during multiple rewatches), but some of them are irredeemable efforts.

S1-Make the season a full 22 episodes. I guess I'm not removing anything with this answer either though, so I would remove the annointed one idea, remove 1 monster of the week episode and replace it with an episode focused on the large arc with more development of the master.

S5 and S3 don't need too much changing by comparison to the other seasons. They are solid A efforts.

Angel

I love S5, S4, S3 a hell of a lot. I'd keep them more or less the same actually. Tweaks here and there, maybe take out the Jasmine thing at the end of S4, but all in all, I'm happy with them.

S1 and S2 were good, but not great. I can't really pin-point anything really. There wasn't any one or two glaring things that brought those seasons down for me, they were just...I don't know, adequate for me, all in all. I'm in the minority again, but I personally didn't get really excited about Angel until S3, and then it took off. I guess it was the smaller stakes if I had to really pin it down to one thing. It seemed so small time, such small potatoes when compared to the parent show. I liked the Darla/Druscilla stuff, I liked the main cast, some individual episodes were memorable, I liked a lot, but my final impression of the first two seasons on the whole was that they were just so....small. When the stakes got raised dramatically the show got a hell of a lot more interesting to me.
 
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I just wrote what I wanted to remove, but I didn't say what I would like to add. Since I have time to dedicate to BB at least until Sunday night, I want to share with you this.
I wanted to, I strongly wanted ...
A conversation between Wesley and Connor about his kidnapping. Instead the two of them have never had a scene together, or at least they have never had a significant scene, where they would could compare their feelings about the events of season three. They could do it in season four, but also in season five when Connor recovers his real memories. Even IDW comic has never faced the question and this is (IMO) a real shame.
 
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